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  1. 35 points
    Just a few things to add here: When Indiana's coaching staff first arrived, one of the most pressing issues was to increase the talent level. The coaches didn't think the current crop of players was good enough and they wanted to bring in better players, more players as quickly as possible. NO ONE was looking to run-off anyone but given the NCAA Transfer statistics (an alarming rate) and the basic reality that kids leave when new coaches arrive, it was expected. Gelon goes, Curtis Jones goes, ROJO, Newark, Hartman graduate. Anyway, one thing the staff did realize was that they had certain areas/ positions of strength after the 2018 recruiting class started taking shape. As basketball has evolved now into "lead guard- 3 others - post man" the staff felt the "others part" was getting pretty good. They knew they had Langford coming but only for a year and Justin Smith's athleticism and muscle was something they liked. After the commitments of Race Thompson, Damezi Anderson and especially Jerome Hunter, the staff was left with where we are... The belief of the coaching staff was that Trendon Watford was and is a better high school basketball player than Keion Brooks, Jr. I think, even today, there's probably a point to be made that Watford can do a few more things on different spots of the floor than Brooks can. But, IU had two coaches I know of who kept coming back to a basic phrase "We don't need either to be a superstar from day 1." Largely, this belief stemmed from the fact that the 2018 kids would be good as sophomores and there was a holdover (Smith, Durham) that could also contribute meaningful minutes. So, some conversations took place and it was decided that Indiana would push for the better long-term target BECAUSE of what was already in the cupboard. Pushing for the longer-term gain rather than the known commodity. So, that's largely where we are. Keion Brooks Jr. has been the target and prize and main focal point of this staff. This current staff had better relationships with the family, an in-state player was easier to scout / visit more and the upside definitely leans his way. However... Two weeks ago I had an interesting text from an IU fan and a friend of mine. Said person has a cousin that plays volleyball at Samford University. Take a basic glance at the Samford roster and you see his cousin... and Trendon Watford's sister. How convenient? So, the gist of the text was that "Ernest isn't as sure of the coaching staff's that Trendon is thinking about. He doesn't think any of them can really develop him." And he was adamant that IF Trendon wanted it (the parents do), IU would start recruiting him very, very heavily. Not necessarily because they need him but because... rightfully... you don't ignore a top-level recruit who hits you up and wants to play for you. That said, this has to be Trendon wanting this. It's his life, it's his decision. But, Archie texted him and told him "If you want us to recruit you, we will. Pick a date." So, I do agree with some of my initial assessment that IU has not recruited him in a long time. And, I do think LSU has the better staff of his 3 southern schools. But, if Trendon really wanted to develop and really thought about his long-term future and can grasp leaving the South, then I do expect Indiana to get involved. But, I don't think it will happen and I'm ok with it. The parents won't push Trendon to do anything he is uncomfortable with. And, if this chatter is to be believed, there are a few in his circle who think he should take a LONG, LONG look at Indiana. But, he has to do it. No one can force him too. And, I think IU's staff has been very smart about prioritizing elsewhere as the roster has other/ more serious needs besides some of the wing and forward spots. Hopefully this helps.
  2. 32 points
    Just to chime in on a few things in relation to this... - One of the most important things for Leal is to prove himself when the IU staff is watching. In the games they have gone to this year (and in his career before this season) there hasn't been those "moments" where he turns the corner with the ball. His shooting, IQ, body, upside. Those concerns aren't there. It's his ability to make plays with the ball in his hands. When he needs to catch it, take a dribble, make a play. Catch on the wing, shot fake, one dribble and be at the rim. Those plays have NOT occurred when the IU staff has been on-hand. - Clearly, Indiana would be "THE" team to beat in his recruitment if they offered. For those who don't know, BOTH of his parents are employed by the IU Foundation. He's grown up an IU fan, loves IU and it is an offer they crave. - Stanford is interesting here. Anthony's a very, very high-level student. Those who have said "my fear is he goes elsewhere and crushes us." I'd subside that fear because Indiana and Stanford won't be playing each other except in an exempt non-conference tournament or in the NCAA Tournament. Both of his parents understand the value of education and Stanford is as good as it gets. I am expecting him to take a spring "official" to Stanford. - "What about him paying his own way?" It's pretty disrespectful for a coaching staff to tell a family "We think you are good, but only for a walk-on spot." I've never heard a staff do it. I don't expect any Division-1 coaching staffs are that out-of-touch / stupid. I know it can be tough to discern a tone over the internet. So, I hope I don't come off as rude. Just trying to be real here. Everyone who is thinking of it... don't say it. Don't think it. Just don't. It's not real life. I say this out of love for IU fans everywhere - Those who talk about IU's shooting this season and talk of how there is a "huge need" for shooters. I don't disagree. IU could use more. Damezi is a good shooter and Al Durham has shot it well this year. Even Robert Phinisee (40% from three-point territory) is doing well. But, those guys don't have tons of usage (cough*Romeo*cough) but there is a need for a few more guys to space the floor. Is Anthony Leal one of them? Of course. He can be. But that doesn't mean a player two years away from college should get an offer because a team isn't shooting it that well. I expect Indiana to have some roster turnover and some of the outside shooting to be addressed / cured in the off-season. - The rankings thing. It's not as easy to say "Well, he's a top-100 player in our backyard. Take him!" Just a few points on that: 1.) This coaching is staff is VERY, VERY competitive. They won't take anything just to appease someone else. 2.) IU projects to have a VERY small 2020 class. If Leal was a 2018, 2019 or 2021 I think an offer would be a big expectation. But, he's in a small age group (numbers-wise) and the staff has to be cautious and careful about how to do things. They would never settle to get a recruit and fans shouldn't want that. 3.) IU is in on better players. Ethan Morton looks like a better-passing version of Dakota Mathias and Caleb Love has 5* potential. Dawson Garcia could end up as one of the top-rated recruits in the country. 4.) The staff wants to be DEAD SURE on a local kid. The last thing they want is to take him, he has a bad experience and the talk around town is that one of Bloomington's own hated his time at IU. Would send some serious bad vibes around the town. I REALLY hope this doesn't come off as snooty or arrogant or some $h!t like that. I'm just trying to be as honest and transparent on what is going on. My best, SS
  3. 27 points
    Although I'm happy IU won, I feel badly for Jay Bilas. He just wanted MSU to win in the worst way. First post btw 😁
  4. 22 points
  5. 21 points
    Hey, I felt obligated to post some different perspective. So here goes... We all knew that this season would hinge on how well Romeo’s game would transition from high school to college. I honestly feel like he’s hit the “freshman wall.” When the season started, I was ecstatic and through the first 14 games, I raised my expectations as a result. We were banged up, but we were managing to get by. I thought that by us winning the close games early on, would somehow benefit us down the road. Our kids were fighting and improving on a daily basis. Now, I realize that my bias towards our Hoosiers can paint a pretty crazy picture. However, I’m an optimist and can’t help it. After the past few(6) games, I’ve come to the realization that I can no longer be upset with how this season has unfolded. I should’ve known... I mean, I also happen to coach and absolutely understand what it’s like to have young players and injuries derail a season. While I’ve certainly never coached at that level, I can somehow relate to those circumstances. I mean, we all should’ve known that Juwan would be the only upperclassmen that we could consistently rely on. Yes, there was the unknown in Evan Fitzner, who happens to be a liability defensively when he isn’t knocking down shots. Then there’s a senior walk-on in McRoberts. Nothing against the two I previously mentioned, but we were expecting A LOT from two guys who wouldn’t be on our team if not for the glaring problem in our class imbalance. Our two juniors? Well, let’s be honest, one is now gone and somehow regressed after his freshman season. And poor Davis, who I happen to really like... can’t stay on the court. So we really don’t have a junior class! We have two sophomores that get to play and one who I feel could contribute, but is still very raw. Literally, we have ten, TEN underclassmen on this team. They hardly have any experience and if I’m being completely honest with myself and all of you, we should have seen this coming. So, those of us who are being too hard on ourselves and/or Archie and the boys, we should all relax. I know some of us have second guessed Archie and his hiring, but we(myself included) should re-evaluate and relax. None of this is his fault. Sure, it’s his responsibility to prepare them and he will always take the blame when things are off kilter. But he does need time. As much as I want to see them win and win right now. I need to temper my expectations. Perhaps my expectations for this season should be next season? Maybe some of you feel the same, maybe not... Regardless, I’m going to enjoy watching these kids grow this season. I will get aggravated, but will get over it. As I hope you all do as well. Here’s to hoping that we can somehow salvage this season and the boys can learn and grow. Have a good night and great weekend, Hoosier Nation! Cheers! 🍻
  6. 19 points
    “Patience is not something a lot of fans have,” Knight said. “But this kid (Miller) is going to do a good job. Why? Because he can coach. Most of the coaches I’ve known, can’t coach. You folks are going to appreciate him, but it ain’t gonna happen in a year.”
  7. 18 points
  8. 17 points
    I am 64 years old. My wife is 40 years old, 125 pounds and good looking, has a great job and lets me stay home and do nothing. If you were in my shoes and she wanted you to go to the grocery what would you do? lol
  9. 17 points
    Great post. Here's the question for Hoosier nation. Justin Smith had oddles of potential. Do you want it to materialize before your eyes of the next 2 years or do you want to bad mouth him and his dad and see him transfer? We talk all this crap about the old days when guys stayed and developed and we got to know them. Remember Watford, aka Cookies, like soft batch? He developed into one hell of a Jr and sr when lots of old faithful was ready and speculating to see him transfer. Will Green be a senior that provides heart and soul like Verdell Jones wound up providing? What about Al Durham? Only a sophomore, has he reached his peak? I'm going to relax my expectations and just cheer for growth going forward and I invite everyone to join me.
  10. 17 points
    I may be the minority here. Despite recent trends, I have confidence Archie will be very successful long term and will eventually be a beloved IU icon after coaching here for 20 years. He will grow, he will get his systems etc. He is a culture guy, he is building for consistency, not a quick fix. I pray I am right.
  11. 17 points
    Coach, it doesn't matter to me who is right or wrong. I appreciate what you all bring to the board. The insiders are this board are the best and I am jealous that I am not privy to the information you all have. All i ask is that all of you keep up the great work that you do.
  12. 16 points
    Here is my prediction for the game in painful detail. We lose the opening tip. Both teams have empty possessions the first three minutes of the game. Rutgers breaks the scoring drought prior to the under 16 timeout and we go to that break down 6-0. We look lost and disorganized After the timeout some guy for Rutgers who shoots about 22% from 3 pt range starts shooting like Steph Curry and by the under 12 break we are down 14-5. At this point Al finally comes in for McRoberts and gives us a quick four points to make it 14-9. Two more threes from Baby Steph, down 20-7. Both of those come after Smith loses him twice and can’t close out in time Juwan goes to the bench with his second foul. Moore comes in and gives us 2 points on a put back, a rebound, and one altered shot. He promptly goes back to the bench after losing his man on defense and is not heard from again. After somewhat getting it together we make a run and close the halftime deficit to four, 30-26. We get the ball to start the second and promptly turn it over. Baby Steph hitsba three starting a 7-0 run to start the half for Rutgers we are now down 11. We eventually fall behind by 15. We claw back but can never break the four point barrier. I stress eat too many M & Ms during the game In the game thread I like posts from an, “Archie needs time guy,” and an, “I’m starting to have some worries,” guy because I can identify with both. At least two posts in the game thread make me spit out my water. No one will actually make it through this entire post.
  13. 15 points
    Bilas starts the broadcast by saying if IU can get 4 to 8 minutes out of De'Ron, that would be impactful. Well Jay, what do you say about : 25 minutes ? 12 points ? 4 assists ? And coming back into the game after being iced down. I don't know about you Mr. Bilas. But here is what I would say: " Saturday night, De'Ron showed the Heart of a Hoosier !"
  14. 15 points
    How about Al Durham - gets his finger dislocation reduced on the bench and comes straight back in to the game? What a tough kid. Not to mention, he hit 3 of 4 FTs with his taped up shooting hand after the injury.
  15. 14 points
    A few weeks back someone told me to look at this weekend. So I’m hopeful it’s pretty damn soon.
  16. 14 points
    And what if they are right?
  17. 13 points
    Archie has gotten these guys to keep fighting. I'm not saying he's the next Bob Knight. I have no idea. But we didn't quit when the entire world thought we should. He should get credit for that.
  18. 13 points
    There is a need to spend more money for more band width for this fabulous forum at times like this. Had a hard time getting on. _______________________ The coveted milehi game ball goes to : the...... TEAM !
  19. 13 points
    Best win of Archie’s IU career. Could be a season turn around if Juwan is ok. Didn’t watch but listened to Fisch and he loved the effort!
  20. 13 points
    Hello Hoosier Nation! Longtime lurker. Being on the east coast, this site has been a way to stay connected to the fan base and keep a pulse on the program. In fact, every game, I refresh the thread to follow along with comments of the game, as if I'm watching it with friends (sounds kind of sad...right?). Anyway, like most, I have been thinking about the program a lot. I think we are seeing a very unfortunate, somewhat combustible situation happening with the program and fan base. On one hand, we have what I believe to be a good, young coach, who does need several years to create a culture, recruit for his system, and prove that he can build a winning team. Let's make no mistake, this is a rebuild (as much as I hate to say it - even with Romeo and Morgan). On the other hand, we have a fan base that I believe cannot stomach another rebuild. I might not have been a fan as long as many of you (I went to IU from 2002-2006), but to me, I feel like the majority of my time being a Hoosier fan has felt like a rebuild (or at least some version of it). I get the frustrations from many. So we have a coach that needs time and a fan base that needs to win now (yikes). And I also think that there is a lot of resentment being felt. IU fans are die hard, loyal, and knowledgeable. I remember Crean's first few years, Assembly Hall was rocking even though we were trotting out a mediocre team. There are many stories of fans never missing a game, regardless of how much effort it takes or whatever they have going on in their lives. And to see the program constantly mired in struggle, inconsistency, "next year," as other programs (with far less passion and support) rise, if incredibly demoralizing. So in a way, maybe the fans feel a bit taken for granted or taken advantage of (not that we are owed anything I suppose). I don't know where to place blame, not do I think I am qualified to do so. But I think the poor management of the proud program has been to some degree negligent. What all that said, I will still watch every game and hope that Archie can prove many wrong and get this thing done and put IU back on the map where it belongs. Being a pre-2004 Red Sox fan, I know how sweet the taste of victory is when you've gone through the heartbreak.
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  23. 12 points
    ...and it's Miller with the blow-by!!!
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  25. 12 points
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