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Looks like we are going all in just like we did with JHS.

Huge upcoming weekend for this one…… Visit should blow him away like all the others.

Gosh that staff lineup is just killer. Like Race said, how can you say no to that?

Got a huge surprise today when my son called and told me he got us tickets for the IU and OSU game

We are good. VERY VERY GOOD!!!! Just makes me sick seeing recruits that I like and feel good about in another uni

Is that why Fouls has so many wives? 😂🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

Nicki Manaj claims her brothers friend's testicles swelled and he became impotent after receiving the vaccine. In other, possibly related, news, my wife is now strongly pushing me to get a booster. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/16/americas/nicki-minaj-vaccine-story-false-scli-intl/index.html

At least we can still find some levity to this issue! lol Do you remember those MTV Celebrity Death Matches?? I would love to see one with Nicki vs Faucci lol!! Maybe I was just immature during those days but I loved them lol!

@Reacher This article from a peer reviewed British medical journal is some of the best information I've found on the topic of natural immunity etc. Notice it gives both sides of the discussion with support from studies and different doctors and also a more global view and not just a US perspective as they source many doctors from other countries etc. It's a very long article but man I appreciate it goes very deep into both positives and negatives of vaccinating those with natural immunity. Best thing is the writer just lets the information speak for itself and makes no conclusions or I can tell takes any particular side as she seems to quote from people on both sides equally. https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101 Things I found fascinating....measuring antibodies is a poor way to judge immune response. T & B Cells (these memory cells) are much more important in determining an immune response. So just because your body may not have as high antibody count (after covid infection as per say a vaccination) doesn't mean you aren't still protected. Just as important in my opinion is the need for booster shots. Just because antibody levels have shown to decline over time doesn't mean the vaccine still hasn't created a significant T & B cell response so that you are still protected. This is I imagine a very big reason why the two leaders at the FDA resigned over pressure from the Administration to promote Booster shots. Are these booster shots needed...or do they just add to the bottom line of Pfizer/Moderna? Finally I'll quote here from the article another part I find interesting and relevent to natural immunity vs forcing them to get vaccinated. Different risk-benefit analysis? For Frieden, vaccinating people who have already had covid-19 is, ultimately, the most responsible policy right now. “There’s no doubt that natural infection does provide significant immunity for many people, but we’re operating in an environment of imperfect information, and in that environment the precautionary principle applies—better safe than sorry.” “In public health you are always dealing with some level of unknown,” says Sommer. “But the bottom line is you want to save lives, and you have to do what the present evidence, as weak as it is, suggests is the strongest defence with the least amount of harm.” But others are less certain. “If natural immunity is strongly protective, as the evidence to date suggests it is, then vaccinating people who have had covid-19 would seem to offer nothing or very little to benefit, logically leaving only harms—both the harms we already know about as well as those still unknown,” says Christine Stabell Benn, vaccinologist and professor in global health at the University of Southern Denmark. The CDC has acknowledged the small but serious risks of heart inflammation and blood clots after vaccination, especially in younger people. The real risk in vaccinating people who have had covid-19 “is of doing more harm than good,” she says. A large study in the UK32 and another that surveyed people internationally33 found that people with a history of SARS-CoV-2 infection experienced greater rates of side effects after vaccination. Among 2000 people who completed an online survey after vaccination, those with a history of covid-19 were 56% more likely to experience a severe side effect that required hospital care.33 Patrick Whelan, of UCLA, says the “sky high” antibodies after vaccination in people who were previously infected may have contributed to these systemic side effects. “Most people who were previously ill with covid-19 have antibodies against the spike protein. If they are subsequently vaccinated, those antibodies and the products of the vaccine can form what are called immune complexes,” he explains, which may get deposited in places like the joints, meninges, and even kidneys, creating symptoms. Other studies suggest that a two dose regimen may be counterproductive.34 One found that in people with past infections, the first dose boosted T cells and antibodies but that the second dose seemed to indicate an “exhaustion,” and in some cases even a deletion, of T cells.34 “I’m not here to say that it’s harmful,” says Bertoletti, who coauthored the study, “but at the moment all the data are telling us that it doesn’t make any sense to give a second vaccination dose in the very short term to someone who was already infected. Their immune response is already very high.” Despite the extensive global spread of the virus, the previously infected population “hasn’t been studied well as a group,” says Whelan. Memoli says he is also unaware of any studies examining the specific risks of vaccination for that group. Still, the US public health messaging has been firm and consistent: everyone should get a full vaccine dose. “When the vaccine was rolled out the goal should have been to focus on people at risk, and that should still be the focus,” says Memoli. Such risk stratification may have complicated logistics, but it would also require more nuanced messaging. “A lot of public health people have this notion that if the public is told that there’s even the slightest bit of uncertainty about a vaccine, then they won’t get it,” he says. For Memoli, this reflects a bygone paternalism. “I always think it’s much better to be very clear and honest about what we do and don’t know, what the risks and benefits are, and allow people to make decisions for themselves.” That last part is kinda where I sit. Just lay out the facts and let people make decisions for themselves...but it seems the government takes the first part...I actually think more people would get vaccinated if they had all sides of the evidence and not feeling backed into having to take a side or be forced into anything.

It appears IU is working Montverde hard

We better start getting top O-linemen.

One of the most important recruiting/game weekends in iufb history coming up.....

WSJ article on climate change that actually points out both sides of an argument https://archive.fo/E03QZ

I think Nicki would beat him to death with a couple fun bags and then twerk him into a pile of dust. Oh shoot that was a dream I had last night sorry...carry on

33 years ago today.

i mean, until we prove we're not a mid pack team, its a pretty easy pick to pick us top middle. Every year we look and say there is no reason we're not a top 4 and we just don't do it. I truly we are a top 4 team this year and prove it to everyone.

If they can build that bond with the coaching staff that makes a huge difference.

I think this is the part that drives me the craziest. If we are "following the science", yes, natural immunity is FAR SUPERIOR to vaccine immunity. I can't think of an instance where it's not and I've heard plenty of doctors and immunologists repeat this. One estimate I saw was 27X superior to vaccines. So why the mandate of vaccines for people who have already had COVID19? I firmly believe that positive antibody test results should carry at least as much weight as proof of vaccination. ...and I'll add that I am vaccinated and (to my knowledge) have not have had COVID19, so there is no personal agenda against being vaccinated. It just seems stupid to require that of people who have already had the virus.

In December of 1943, Lieutenant John "Jocko" Thompson of Beverly, Massachusetts, was on the heights of Italy's Mount Sammucro with a battalion of the U.S. 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment. Battling Germans on the long road to capture Rome, the 504th had parachuted into Italy back in September, and now found itself clinging to a rocky mountain peak in the Apennine Range, trading rifle fire and mortar rounds with the enemy on a neighboring peak. During a heavy artillery bombardment on December 13th, thirteen of Thompson's comrades were knocked out of action, and then a bullet found him.... The round smashed into his chest, knocking him backwards and stunning him. But when he was checked for wounds, none were found. The bullet - most likely spent - had struck the Army spoon he had in the pocket of his jump jacket. This wasn't a strange place for it - to conserve weight, many paratroopers left their mess kits behind when they made a combat jump, taking with them only their spoon, which was the most pragmatic utensil in the kit. Lieutenant Thompson went on to lead troops in Operation Market Garden in 1944, parachuting into Holland, survived the Battle of the Bulge in December of that year, and later served in the occupation force in Germany. During the war he was wounded twice (and carried shrapnel in his body for the rest of his life), and received two Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for heroism in combat. When he received his discharge after the war's end, he returned to his pre-war profession: playing professional baseball in the Red Sox farm system before being called up to the Majors in 1948 to pitch for the Philadelphia Phillies.

That's really cool. 😁

Gonna put this here: https://www.wane.com/news/indiana/purdue-creates-the-worlds-whitest-paint-that-could-eliminate-the-need-for-air-conditioning-in-your-home/

I gave my wife 3 choices for her birthday, the IU UC game, Colts vs Rams game or whatever she wants. This weekend I will be the DD going to about a dozen wineries. Not that it is a bad time by any stretch but its not choices 1 or 2 for sure. Going to try and get her trashed at 1st winery in Nashville and trick her into tailgating in Bloomington.

All I know if that I'm with Bobby on this one...I'm sick and f%$#!%$@g tired of losing to Turdue.

I expect better from the CDC then Hannity or Joe or Tucker or whomever. I personally don't watch or listen to any of those people but I'm sure some do. Certainly wouldn't for medical advice that is for sure. All I'm saying is the CDC and both administrations have handled it very poorly. The very reason the medical researches emphasize the limitations should also be why the CDC should. It brings credibility and honesty in trusting the "science". It's what makes their work objective....and not subjective. If it was just this one thing I guarantee I wouldn't go looking into it...but gosh at this point we are so way beyond that I have to fact check them. They change their websites because of political pressure from teachers unions etc. I hate that. Because in general...on most of this I support vaccination in saving lives. Maybe not for everyone and in every occassion but as the best medical decision for a majority I do. I also think that if you have had covid...and it was pretty rough or if your medical situation has changed you probably should consider getting a round of vaccine. Most importantly I think you should talk to your doctor and formulate a plan. Everyone's situation is different. If you choose to not get vaccinated...know your options...monitor your health closely...take precautions. I'd say the same for those vaccinated. Don't think this is a silver bullet. Be careful...monitor the changing conditions around you. Have a plan with your doctor. Anyways...I don't think anyone here is quoting those people...sourcing those people. I mean most are sourcing medical journals and doctors. I don't often quote the CDC or FDA because even though those are doctors...they are also very much tied to politics and the government. Subject to influence, manipulation, and coersion. I suppose all doctors and researchers are but probably not to the degree of the federal govt. If the federal govt was more trustworthy maybe it might change but I haven't seen an administration yet that I trust fully with something as important as my health/medical. So I question them. Sometimes they are right when I look into it...and sometimes there is more politics then science in it. If that makes me a freak ok I guess. As far as proven ways to reduce the spread....I don't think we have enough evidence that simply vaccination will reduce the spread. Reduce the severity of illness...absolutely! Spread...well we have had a lot of competing science on that. Hard for me to believe that all the cases in America (more now then last year despite almost 70% of the population having been vaccinated) is simply all due to those "dirty" unvaccinated. It's a complicated problem...likely to have a myriad of solutions necessary to overcome it.

Okay. First of all, I was responding to @Reacher who said: 'we don't know how proven/successful the vaccine is 12 months in'. But we do. We don't know exactly how successful it is because the success rate is constantly changing based on how the virus mutates, but it is successful overall. Per the infographic I posted, @dgambill is questioning the case stat (fine, let's throw that out for the sake of the argument), but it's pretty hard to question the hospitalization/death stat. I hope we can agree that the vaccine is very good at keeping vaccinated people out of the hospital. Fair? Is keeping 10 out of 11 people on average out of the hospital successful? I guess it depends on your definition of success. Secondly, congrats on your weight loss @dgambill. We all know exercising and making healthy choices are not easy. That type of self determination should not be under-estimated. This leads me to my 3rd point..... I am personally disappointed that very few are talking about health in this pandemic. A majority of the deaths and hospitalizations are the obese. We've had a chance to talk about health so many times in out country but fail to have an honest conversation without it falling into fat shaming, politics, etc. All that said, because this is a long-term solution for a problem we need to dampen immediately, it still should not detract from the need to still take the vaccine. As I mentioned above it's hard to lose weight, and not only eat healthy, but also get the proper nutritional education. Again, let's do both. Protect yourself with what is available now AND begin living a healthy life. It is also important to note that healthy people are also dying, get hospitalized and are having long term effects to the disease. I mentioned earlier my 16 year old niece (healthy and a great athlete) has SVT as a result of an asymptomatic case of COVID. A 11 year old swimming state champion in my area got COVID so bad his lungs are scarred. a year and a half later he has trouble breathing; he can't swim 2 laps without getting completely winded. COVID is also plaguing countries with a much lower obese population. While it does effect mostly unhealthy people, COVID still effects the healthy. It may not be marked by a death or a hospitalization, but there are very real and long term consequences to this disease. Lastly....therapeutics. Again, I'm all for studying them, but I think some of us are arguing different things. Yes, therapeutics should be studied. Yes, we should consider all information. That is a no-brainer. BUT there is a problem when people are treating drugs like their favorite sports team. Following them closely, cheering when they make a good trade, get excited over a stat line in a game, etc. These are freaking drugs! And we have a problem in our society when the promotion of drugs, still being studied, are being hailed (by some) as the savior of COVID to the degree that people are taking them without a doctor's prescription and poisoning themselves. My stance is let them be studied before we jump the gun. Again, this should be a logical statement that most of us can agree on. In the case of Ivermectin, for every study that says it may work, there is a study that doesn't (just 1 example of many). What this means to me is that it's effectiveness is inconclusive at best. And the narrative that our country doesn't want therapeutics to work because of politics or that 'Pfizer won't allow it' (forgot who said that) is just BS. The FDA is currently looking into 78 trials for Ivermectin that they deem important enough to follow. If it's not getting the media coverage you think is warranted, could it possibly be because there's no clear cut answer in either direction? I know the media is outstanding in covering crap they don't know the answer to, but in this case it's potentially dangerous and caution should be exercised. As history has proven: there a few dumb people out there who will take the animal version of ivermectin, will eat a tide pod, will drink bleach, etc. In conclusion: yes, there's isn't a 'one-size fits all' solution to this, but NOBODY has said that. However, there are solutions we have right now and there are solutions that will take some time. We need to stop undermining the solutions that are working right now as if they are an apples to apples replacement for a solution that may work sometime in the future.

In my ESPN league, Eli Manning is available on the waiver wire. Should I pick him up? Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers are available as well. Which of the three is the better option? Or, should I hold out to see if Dan Marino becomes available?

Absolutely. Just wish he wasn't playing for such a douchebag school.

I’m not sure what is considered ‘breakthrough’ infection. 2 family members both among the first age groups to be vaccinated had a diagnosis of Covid in July. As for Ivermectin, a lady in town was among the first hospitalized with COVID-19 in this area. Was on vent for a month and in hospital for 45 days. Family was told 2% chance of recovery. Ivermectin, Zink regimen and yes Hydroxychloroquine was given to her. This was all before the jab was introduced. She’s been fine for over a year now. Family members 88yo grandpa passed away recently. Death certificate says COVID-19 which is a complete lie. Sickening. Friend in NC lost spouse in an accident. Death certificate says COVID-19. He called and asked for it to be changed and was asked to leave it in exchange for compensation. He took the check straight to a lawyer. Last I heard an out of court settlement was the offer. Sickening. I hate this thread. I’m more than disgusted with all things Covid and when I hear the name Fauci I want to vomit. This country is a terrible place for children right now and that Ps me off the most. End of rant. Thanks for the ear.

Game 2 1959 World Series, Al Smith gets a beer...

CMW is in on bigger fish

Just chose Wisconsin. Pretty cool to see a kid from my small hometown school be able to go to the Big Ten. Happy for him and his family. Really good shooter.

IU slated to were the red Adidas throwbacks on Saturday. Man, those uni's were fun to watch when Anthony Thompson wore them........ Human FREIGHT TRAIN!!!!

Love getting a college football gameday environment for him to see.

Hard to see the Reds making the playoffs at this rate. They just don't seem to have the hunger you'd expect from a team that has a playoff bid in its grasp. A playoff-caliber team would be making quick work of a team like the Pirates this time of year. Can't believe how badly the Padres have collapsed. I distinctly remember talk of the NL West possibly producing three 100-win teams. They might finish with a losing record. AL East might be the toughest, most competitive division I've ever seen.

2 years isn't tying up your cap for most teams. For most it would allow you to get rid of a bad contract with more years on it. By next summer Wall's deal will be a great asset. I do agree that moving Wall now is most likely a multi team deal. I actually think the most likely scenario is Houston has to buy him out somehow.

Week 2 Matchups Giants @ Football Team (-3.5) Bengals @ Bears (-2.5) Texans @ Browns (-12.5) Rams (-3.5) @ Colts Bills (-3.5) @ Dolphins Patriots (-6) @ Jets 49ers (-3) @ Eagles Raiders @ Steelers (-5.5) Saints (-3.5) @ Panthers Broncos (-6) @ Jaguars Vikings @ Cardinals (-3.5) Falcons @ Bucs (-12.5) Cowboys @ Chargers (-3.5) Titans @ Seahawks (-5.5) Chiefs (-3.5) @ Ravens Lions @ Packers (-11.5)

Oh, I forgot to mention the issues he has at Green Bay. Thanks for pilling on the guy, haha.

Damn right...trade for Mark Cuban.

Been there, done that…

Thank you for what you bring. While I agree some solutions are better than others and some sources and info is better it doesn’t hurt to bring it to the light and let people make their choices. I’ll also say this. Vaccines might be the answer for many at the moment…but we are already seeing some degradation to how effective we thought they would be…especially as more and more variants come along. Today’s solution might be tomorrow’s false hope. To continue making advances on treatments and hopefully future vaccines will be truly important over time. I don’t know where all this will go but I think continuing to help people and save lives is all that matters. In all the ways we can figure out to do. Considering vaccines don’t prevent the illness technically they are just another therapeutic (albeit the most effective one we have at the moment)…so sharing all of them I think is a good thing.

I heard today that Fickell has 6 kids and that his son just committed to UC to play for his dad. I could see family winning out for sure, all things being equal. On the other hand, Rick Neuheisel, who I really respect, called USC on e of the top 5 college coaching jobs in the country. Any coach, including Fickell, would be crazy for not at least listening

I don't want to speak for @Reacher but most of the stuff I've read him contribute concludes that there is not a one size fits all solution to this. Vaccines might be the Army but we are going to need support from other areas too. Many people can not be vaccinated due to health issues. Many simply believe that having had COVID already means their immune system did it's job and they don't need a vaccine. Many people worry about long term implications and side effects of the vaccine. Many are yes...anti-vaxxers in general or anti-govt. I may not understand or agree with every side of the arguement but I respect them all as equally important citizens of our society and that we should try to reach people where they are. Instead of forcing them to come to my side is to go meet them where they are at and find a solution that works for them. To do this it may take time and it may take coming up with solutions that work for them that they are comfortable with. Theraputics can be just that. While I think this board has been pretty eager to support all the ways to fight the virus I don't think all of them get equal treatment and equal promotion in the media and with our govt. How many times have they talked about antibody treatments or Ivermectin or any of the positive results even if they aren't a cure. How many times do they come out and talk about ways to improve your immune system. Vitamin D, Zinc, and immune boosting foods and vitamins. About losing weight and lowering risk factors like not smoking or vaping and healthy diet and exercise. I took it serious the first time I heard that overweight people were having a harder time with this. I immediately changed my diet. I've lost almost 35 lbs and dropped 2 pant sizes. Finally dropped below 200lbs and still working at it. It was a wake up call that I needed. I might have carried 6'2 and 235 ok but I knew with things I'd talked to my doctor if I wasn't carrying the extra weight I could really improve my health stats and when I go back to my check up I really think he will take me off my blood pressure medication possibly. I think the point is...we need to keep looking for answers...and we need to help as many people in as many forms as possible. We can start at vaccines...but that doesn't mean the conversation has to end there. I see no harm in providing helpful info that will help people no matter where they fall on this spectrum. Oh and as far as that slide goes...I'd question the 5X infection. I'd say there is pretty good evidence to make a conclusion that since vaccinated people aren't as likely to get seriously ill they probably are much much less likely to get tested and go unreported. Considering the case counts after having over 65% of the country vaccinated is this high....tells me there are tons of vaccinated people spreading it as well. Just more likely assymptomatically.

HSN is not the void! I don't know how you can say this vaccine is so proven and successful less than 12 months in- or that Ivermectin is not proven as it has been around much longer than the vaccine and, it could be argued, that it has a better safety record. Million are being given it, and other drugs, around the world. So there is not years of study as it relates to COVID, but that is same with every option right now. Perhaps some of the problems are for people taking it on their own and not at a recommended dose? If people were truly dying from it in large numbers, I'd imagine we would hear about that - in addition to to the millions that have benefitted from it. I think it is a mistake to bury our heads in the sand and not learn from what other countries are doing well, and poor, with. We do know that there are complications and deaths (albeit minimal) from the vaccines so it is not risk free. Turning around your statement, It's funny to me that there is such resistance to a proven, wildly successful therapeutic. I think it way too premature to say "It is dangerous and unproven for treating COVID, especially when compared to the vaccine." I don't see people arguing against the vaccines for therapeutics. Like @tdhoosier just said above, I think it is common sense that BOTH have a role. Yet some people, for whatever reason, want to censor and or diminish certain talk. I don't get that. That is the contrary to the essence of science. Try different methods and report honest results. Then people can accurately decide whether the Pfizer, Moderna, or other vaccine is best for them- or maybe not to get a vaccine. I recently read this- The study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated. While moderating the symptoms of infection, the jab allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into presymptomatic superspreaders. This phenomenon may be the source of the shocking post-vaccination surges in heavily vaccinated populations globally. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733 To early, IMO, to tell how accurate this is but would be rather scary if true!

Patrick Cantlay, PGA Tour Player of the Year. Well deserved.

Ivermectin is not an unproven or dangerous drug. It's been in use to treat a number of viral infections for over forty years with very minimal side effects. The guy who discovered it received the Nobel award for it. What I would like to see, based on what I have learned, is a proper srudy done to determine it's effectiveness. That we seem unwilling to do that causes me to question motivations. I'm not anti vaccine. I am pro alternatives, but the powers that be don't seem interested in looking for any. Also important to note is that Imervectin is off patent, so there is not a lot of money to be made from producing it. Bret Weinstein's Darkhorse podcast #80 talks at length about it starting at about the 28:20 minute mark.

I've never been a huge fan of his game, but it would be interesting even as a moveable contract. He's got something like 2 years and $90M. For me from the Celtics point of view, you try pairing him with Tatum and Brown, and his contract lines up with Al Horford's, Josh Richardson's and I believe one other player, and all of the sudden you have a team that can try and win for a year and then close to $130-$150M in contracts that you can trade, with other assets, for a legit star.

I had a government teacher like that in high school and a social studies teacher in jr. high. The government teacher was a master at neutrality to the point that us students used his elephant bookends as proof of party affiliation (to this day, I'm unsure whether we were right or not). My jr. high teacher from the early 80's was only outed when #45 was elected...and I had guessed him totally wrong.😂 (...and I agree with you that a flag promoting a sexual lifestyle is a bad idea in a classroom of young impressionable minds. I want teachers to teach the objective stuff...not lecture kids on how they are supposed to think and feel.)

That's one small step for...me, I guess. I've studied and dabbled in the market over the last 10 years, but always on a cash basis. Earlier this week, I pulled the trigger and applied/converted one of my brokerage accounts to margin. I have zero intention of using the vast majority of that leverage. I mainly just wanted to be able to trade on unsettled cash. Well, everything finally re-settled today, and I pulled the trigger on my first extremely small but successful short sale. I've never done any hard drugs, but damn....that has to be what it feels like. Creating money from nothing....Even if it is just $1.60.