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Also-- if our roster decisions weren't fireable enough offenses to begin with, if getting our asses kicked REGULARLY isn't fireable enough, if the lack of responsibility taken isn't fireable enough to begin with.. How many millions of dollars did our basketball staff waste recruiting the 2024 class to get exactly ZERO of them?27 points
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Sent my letter to Scott Dolson, Pam Whitten, and the BoT. Very respectful; probably too long but hey it's my one chance, and I'm not sure anyone will actually read it anyway, but I guess it adds to the #'s. Here's my last sentence: "A change in leadership need not minimize the legend of a great player; it can instead emphasize that these current young men deserve the opportunity to be great players themselves." And I mean that sincerely.25 points
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Woodson not being fired the day after he walked out on his team after getting absolutely embarrassed by a group of average basketball players and Fred Hoiberg is absolutely beyond me. Nebraska laughed us off the floor. Dudes throwing up hand signs, literally flexing on us.. If Friday night wasn't embarrassing for our admin, nothing will be.24 points
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Trilly said Dolson met with some notable former players today and the message was simple. They want Woodson GONE!23 points
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Just like I initially feared when the rumor about Alford being first in line was kicked around. I remember saying to one of our members in PM that I hope IU does the right thing and stays away from a nostalgic hire like Alford. Then Woodson was announced and like everyone else I was in complete shock. At least I had heard of Alford but Woodson? Wth… I guess we have forgotten what Fred Glass said when he fired Crean? Crean who hit his ceiling and wasn't going to take IU far enough quick enough. One year removed from a B1G championship. But Mike Woodson can take Archies generational talent who was already putting the team on his back and somehow get credit for the kid growing up and getting reps. Trace was a beast in high school and was gonna beast no matter who he played for and you wont convince me otherwise. Thats what generational talent does. It gets shinier with age and experience. Jalen who was brought here thanks to Hunter was so far ahead of any current IU guards it was clear as day. I remember mentioning that back then when a lot of folks was stuck on XJ. Jalen was gonna ball no matter who he played for and if it wasnt for XJs bad luck, would have not got the chance to show IU fans what he could do in year one. Again, super talented kid who was going places no matter what. Love Leal and Galloway don't get me wrong. Kids that grew up wearing candy stripes. Love that! But be real, they aren't championship caliber guards. On one hand, glad to have em back. On the other hand, we need better guards talent wise that would effectively render Leal and Galloway as bench players. If we want to be really good. Thats what its going to take. Really good guards. No offense to our older HSN members but I mean give me a break. Bring in a nearly 70 year old guy because the 70 year old crowd likes him for his jump shot while playing for IU in 1917 knowing he cant make it happen so you hire another semi retired college coach to train and oversee his operations. It was setup for failure from the beginning. I mean really, tell me what Mike Woodson has done for the program for him to be worthy of hanging on to. Tell me something he has done better than Crean who was fired for not being good enough. The longer they drag this along the angrier the fanbase is going to be and further back they set the program. And, the more disdain for Mike Woodson and anyone that supports him. ”Chill” and let Mike swing enough times he might get lucky just don't make sense to me. Train ol’ Mikey on IUs dime and hope the fans are patient. Man I just don't get it. It’s just basketball but the ignorance around the program is killing it. But, Im also near the point of giving up. It’s turning out to be a complete waste of time and energy. Hopefully thats my last rant. Yeah I probably care about the program too much.22 points
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This blame the fans narrative is annoying me more and more. It's like a doctor treating the symptoms but not addressing how you can prevent the disease. If the administration wasn't a complete 🤡 show and totally unserious about the basketball program, then the fans wouldn't be an issue whatsoever.22 points
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The bolded isn't because of the fans. The bolded is because IU's athletic department and hierarchical structure is extremely poorly run. Maybe the fans should just go away and then we can see what that does? Literally turn this into Minnesota basketball. Let's have a half-empty Assembly Hall all year. The fans weren't a problem when they packed Assembly Hall in 2008-09 to watch a team of baseball players and walk-ons. Think that happens at Clemson? Think a freshmen averaging 2ppg is going to lead in NIL apparel sales at Ole Miss? IU has some crazy, bad fans. No doubt, and no argument from me on that. But, so does Duke, UNC, Kansas, UK, Michigan, Louisville, Alabama, etc., etc. This is not even remotely unique to IU. The difference is that IU's athletic department has been a joke. Fix the admin, hire a real, accomplished college basketball coach, and the fans aren't a problem. I'd also argue that IU's fans are the biggest reason the fix can actually be really easy and simple.20 points
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Woodson had an incredible opportunity to take responsibility and maybe even instill a little faith back in some of us last night in the post game. He chose to, again, act like a disconnected tool. If this shit wasn't bred into me, I'd be done.20 points
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Well, last time I was posting here people lost their minds because I was wrong on Boogie (sorry. but in reality, woodson screwed up w/ boogie. he was ours.............) As far as I know Woodson will prob step down after the BTT. It'll be "mutual". I had doubts a few weeks ago that we were "in talks" with Pearl, but it seems like there really is something going on. Pearl would turn this program around fast. Theres just a few "in charge" that have a problem w/ Pearls past. Woody is a dead man walking.20 points
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Buckner and Co are f'ing this up so bad that I have to start agreeing with Dakich on some things. Gross.20 points
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It’s sounding like a some of the big boosters are interested in having the conversation about moving on from Woodson at the end of the season. Dolson has a good pulse of what’s going on and what coaches are interested.20 points
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This isn’t an all time dig…but it’s time to move on completely from Bob Knight. History is all we have to cling to… next hire needs to be all world, proven winner. Winner. That wins. That cures a lot20 points
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I can't stand Gregg Doyle but he needs to write an article about Buckner and his mess he's created with IU basketball.19 points
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Shared this via PM with a poster, but figured I'd share here too. We have some posters that are more pro-coach than others, meaning they prefer to give coaches more time to turn things around and don't love the constant coaching turnover. I used to lean more that way. I defended Crean and Archie longer than many did. If I remember, I don't think I was "fire Archie" until February of his last season. So, why am I quicker to the "fire Woodson" bandwagon? You'd think an IU guy should get more leeway, right? Especially since he got us to B2B tournaments. Two main reasons. 1) I'm just tired of being mediocre. I'm tired of losing, etc., but... 2) I feel with Woodson we've had a bit of a bait and switch on his system/style. I just don't trust him to turn it around. I didn't love Archie's system either. But Archie owned his system. We knew what it was and what we were getting, so I had a sense that if "he could just get 'his' guys" in his system we'd be OK. Crean had a system too. It had its flaws as well, but he had some proven success with it, and we knew when recruited too right we could win. My opinion is that Woodson hasn't been upfront (I'd don't mean purposely lying or anything) with what his system or style is. I'm not sure he knows what it is. So, without college experience and some of the other trends and issues, I frankly just don't trust him to turn this around. I'm ready for a change and think it needs to happen this offseason.19 points
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Trilly update: "At this point my understanding is that if Dolson can get the right guys to flip, they'll make the move. And if they make the move, Bruce Pearl is in line to be the guy."18 points
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So, Dakich thinks what he tweets and spews over the public airwaves is more “ruly” than booing? OK, lol.18 points
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He's done NOTHING since he landed Mackenzie. Literally nothing. I thought that was the start of something special. Then he got lazy. Please step down.17 points
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I think this is super plausible and most likely what happened. I also think it's embarrassing that Bill Self is playing chess with our recruits, while our coach is asleep at the wheel. Time for this program to get serious about basketball and hire a coach that is also playing chess.17 points
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Wish I could find the tweet, someone shared it in a postgame thread a couple of weeks ago, but when I hear this news I think back to that Woodson quote last year when he said, "it's not my job to get Miller Kopp shots." As a shooter seeing a team struggle to shoot last season and hear the coach say that about the one good shooter, I would be terrified to play there.17 points
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The families of these players know that and the other staffs are aware as well and trust me it is being used. There is a strong narrative out there that guys like Sisley and Mullins do not fit what CMW is looking for. As a high school player in the state of Indiana having the IU staff show up for your sectional game just means a little more. When the best program in the state the past decade makes the effort and says this is why we are where we are with guys just like you that fit OUR system the kids and parents are listening. For each of these guys every game the rest of this year could be their last competitive game of the year. Having the staff there is important. We all know what AAU is, not knocking I got my coaching start there but its not the same. IU is BLOWING it with 2 in state kids that mark my words will kill us for 4 years at either PU or ND. I said it with Braden Smith and I am saying it again. this staff is losing the recruiting battle in state and on the court to PU.17 points
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2 posters I respect a great deal with totally opposite takes on the situation. That's okay, because it likely is a very fluid situation right now. I appreciate both you a great deal. That said, I've not enjoyed the team this season. I have great concern our season has damaged our staff's ability to fix this in the portal. Mike Woodson was my favorite IU player when I was growing up. I supported the hire and his time as a coach through December of this season. That's changed. I'm finding a hard time caring at all at this point. When things are going bad, I want to see some fire and emotion from the head coach. It can be Bob Knight's anger, or Tom Crean's cheerleading, just give me something. Woodson's not doing that and it frustrates me. I need that right now.17 points
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The reason IU can't shoot is because IU has refused to recruit shooters. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE LIFTING PROGRAM!17 points
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After March-October, and then from what we've seen from Gunn, Banks, Cupps, no Newton, and an open scholly.. coupled with our horrible play early on... How in the world was it Dec 29th before Leal saw double digit mins?16 points
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I don’t think so. There’s more to this decision than the product on the floor.16 points
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I've intentionally stayed out of this discussion because I figured one of you more seasoned observers would bring it up, but so far I haven't seen it. First off, I REALLY wanted Woody to succeed. No reservations about it. But...he hasn't. And I have a theory, and it's just that...a theory. The vast majority of Woody's life has been in the NBA. Only 4 years @ IU, and 30+ years in the league. They play (or used to) 82 games a year. No NBA team EVER comes close to an undefeated season. And in Woody's tenure, he became "accustomed" to losing. The question was how many? To me, he just seems all too comfortable with losing, and "gotta keep working" and moving on to the next game, almost like there are an infinite number of games to make it work. His reluctance to make adjustments to starting lineups is frustrating to me, always has been. Even when a bench player far exceeds a starter's production, he sometimes doesn't even get into the next game, much less get a starting position, or major minutes. Our fundamentals stink, offense is in slow-mo most of the time, and no real leadership IMO. Now I'm sure Woody has forgotten more about the game, than I'll ever know. But in life, some things are obvious, even to casual observers.16 points
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Galloway’s 12 assists are a result of his heart, energy and perseverance. Congrats to Trey.16 points
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I don't really buy into these rumors, but with that said I think Bruce Pearl is probably gettable and would be a home run hire, though don't love his age. The hard part of all of this, and I'm not trying to start a debate on this, but I also think Chris Beard could maybe be gettable, and I think he'd be a grand slam hire. The problem of course is his recent legal troubles. It just stinks because I think Beard would check most every other box. He's even better than Pearl and younger. Also brings some of the Bob Knight connection, etc. If he didn't have the legal issues, he'd be a grand slam hire. Though without the legal issues he probably wouldn't be gettable.16 points
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Player vs coach is very different. Not every chemist can teach chemistry. For me, it’s having a framework to coach, including a philosophy, methodology, operational planning, etc. I’m not saying Dusty is the next RMK in being a young coach who turns out to be a generational coach, but being at FAU forced him to develop a framework to achieve a winning culture (imo) at a place that didn’t have one. What I see, as a non-player & mere fan, from Woodson is the implementation of a framework that hasn’t worked. It has consistently not worked. And he has shown no interest in changing that framework. He has no interest from what I can tell to adapt his framework to implement and achieve a winning culture. Having Coach Cignetti leading IU football gives IU fans a window into what that framework looks like in 2024. That’s what I’m looking for in a coach, that ability to develop & implement a framework for achieving a winning culture.15 points
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I know this is a little thing, but watch Leal after he makes the bucket...No elaborate celebrating... He finds someone to guard on the in bounds...15 points
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CMW would have very much softened the blow of XJ's "injuries, immaturity, and stupidity" if he had either 1. added another player in the portal instead of leaving a scholly open 2. Told someone to take a hike and filled the scholly that way. He left himself up for the criticism by failing to do his job. Then he lost McNeeley.15 points
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I have a problem if he’s referring to fans asking questions and wanting better leadership for the players. He could have answered professionally when asked at various opportunities but chose not to do so. He’s had plenty of opportunities to explain various aspects of his coaching, and he continually chooses not to. He doesn’t like being questioned. I have found him to be defensive with his answers, and thanking “true fans” is bit of a slap in the face to those who care and ask questions. Questioning the coach does not make one not a “true fan”, I would argue the opposite. It’s very ok for a fan to ask questions and not be pleased with leadership. Two things can be true at the same time: one can be a fan of a team AND question aspects of coaching. These are not mutually exclusive.15 points
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So im texting with a former player (under Crean) who I used to hang around with when I was at IU. "IU fans can definitely be a pain in the ass, but they are right this time. Woodsons ego is getting in the way. There has to be a change. I'll always love Tom, he had the passion IU needs right now. Never should have gotten rid of em" Not that his opinion really matters, but I figured id throw it out there.15 points
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Oh yeah, agree on the point the decision wasn't made in the last 24 hours. Completely agree. I think it was more Sleepy Mike fumbling the bag though, as opposed to anything $ Bill did. Self just took advantage of another coach completely dropping the ball.15 points
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if he stays and he and the staff have not been out this week to see Sisley or Mullins then the whole situation is far worse than I thought. I just dont see how they bring him back.15 points
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I will say this. It was nice to see IU win last night. That said I don't believe that game or any others will have any real impact on a decision. If Dolson can get a proven coach in the bag a move will be made. IU is about to be in recruiting purgatory because of Woodson's contract situation. He would need an extension to help that and that's just not happening.15 points
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Dolson has a plan. We just need to be patient because there won’t be real news coming out daily over the next couple weeks and there will be plenty of rumors.15 points
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I'm not getting into the whole right or wrong stuff from years ago. If IU approves making a hire of a good coach I'm going to be on board with it until they give me a reason not to.15 points