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4 hours ago, Zlinedavid said:

This is what I'm hoping for.  If Reneau can float between the low post, mid range and occasionally step out for a 3, we're in good shape and could play him and Ballo together without any issues.  I don't expect Reneau to be a 3 point sniper, but if he can step out and at least make the defense respect his shot, he's going to be a major asset. 

So basically if Reneau turned into MM?

4 hours ago, Maedhros said:

Having two excellent post players wasn't our problem last year, and won't be this year. The issue was we offered next to nothing in the backcourt to balance them out. Adding Rice and Carlyle, with Mgbako, Galloway and Tucker on the wing, has real potential to change that dynamic.

Having 2 players in the post that have no outside games clogs the inside and replacing Ware with Ballo makes that issue even worse than it was last season.   

4 hours ago, Zlinedavid said:

And having Reneau as our only "big" isn't going to get much done either. 

He would be better as our only starting post big.  

MM could easily handle the 4 in college.

2 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

I said Wojo, not Eli Holman. 

true but I think chairs at IU were tied down even after Knight left.  never know when someone might copycat.

6 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

Somewhere, Steve Wojciechowski is still throwing furniture against the wall over that one. 

the potted plants must be nailed to the floor now.

1 hour ago, RoadToZion said:

I dont step foot in Bloomington unless its to attend a game. Its pretty much a smaller portland. HARD PASS. 

If portland is as good as bloomington then sounds like a great place to live.

I guess when we are throwing around millions, anything is possible.

13 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

According to 24/7, the number one ranked SG/CG in the portal is a senior that is a career 36% three point shooter, but as a freshman, he only shot 23%. 

The number two ranked SG/CG in the portal is a freshman that shot 32% from three this season. 

Sounds like either one would be a good pickup, right? The senior is established, and the freshman is almost as good as the senior with room for more improvement. 

The #2 ranked SG/CG in the portal is Kanaan Carlyle. 

And I will be happy when KC announces.

The problem still is the addition of Ballo means we are going to again clog the post with bigs which is why adding him was great and bad at the same time.

On 4/17/2024 at 11:07 AM, IUFLA said:

Saying we want 3 point shooters without naming names can't be debated very well...

How so?  

The debate would be whether or not more outside shooters are needed.

We definitely need better outside shooting much more than we needed another big body clogging up the post.  I would rather that 1.2 million (or some of it) go towards the best shooting guard in the portal.

3 minutes ago, Andrew said:

Issac Green started following FWIW

following who?

1 minute ago, IUALUM03 said:

She is just in a rock and hard place.  Indiana is very much a conservative run state that and the university has a lot of liberal thinking throughout.  It is a balancing act to keep the funding flowing from the state, but not impose restrictions on free thinking.  Many of the issues are no-win situations no matter who is in charge.  

True.  

Although it is probably generally better to be more hands off in that situation vs rocking the boat with a heavy stick.

20 minutes ago, thirdgenhoosier said:

Are you assuming the exhibit was canceled solely based on ideology?  The IDS article leads one to make that assumption but it’s fair to ask what else there is to that story.  Has anyone asked what was in the exhibit?  Has anyone asked what was in the social media posts that the person putting on the exhibit had posted?  I, for one, would like more context before I reach a full conclusion.  I’m not saying you’re wrong.  I just don’t think we have enough information.

True, our opinions are based on incomplete information but if pro-Palestinian was an accurate generalization then I don't see how the exhibit should have been cancelled.  Those that were offended could just boycott it.  It would have to move towards antisemitism or saying Israel deserved to be attacked for it to move to towards that line of being cancel worthy imo.   Anyone who complains about becoming a nation of cancelling people for their views should see this in that same light based on what little is known.

But if those posts come to light and are much worse than expected then of course my opinion may change so put an asterisk next to it for now.

I've heard quite a bit of people complaining of liberal bias in universities.  If that is an issue then conservative bias should be just as much an issue.

Although it does says that it is a common scenario in these types of votes, not that it was the reason this time or that it was just referring to IU only.

That may have just been contrasting the reasonsing for Whitten's vote of no confidence verses what most vote of no confidences are about.

24 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

I'll just say this. Campuses are filled by ideologies and Bloomington is no different. Sometimes a President comes in and doesn't believe those. I FULLY support President Whitten and that's all I'll say on this one.

So it was ok to cancel the exhibit because of her ideology?   And here I have been led to believe canceling people was wrong. 

If roles were reversed, then I would wager the people defending her would be taking an opposite stance.

Between that and failing to support the Dr that was attacked by rokita, she deserved the vote of no confidence.  

The complaints against Whitten seem pretty valid to me.

Abuse due to political bias should be wrong regardless of what side of the aisle 

3 hours ago, Tom White said:

As long as they don't follow the path of Bird's early commercials. I think it was his first one - "Ma. The old gray Ford ain't what she used to be." - That may be the very worst commercial I've ever seen.

Through the window, off the bleachers, nothing but net

2 hours ago, Victobmyboy said:

I get that but it’s still not limiting NIL. People talk like “there must be a cap”. You can’t cap NIL.  Any back to the regular scheduled program before I get in trouble. 

But if we went to a paid employees with contracts, NIL would hopefully actually mean earned NIL.

At this point, might as well have drafts and guaranteed 2 or 3 year contracts.

1 hour ago, Victobmyboy said:

Did the NBA limit Jordan’s NIL? Even if say they do collective bargain a salary. It still won’t stop NIL. It might calm the it some. 

NIL in the pros is actually about NIL.

Pro teams aren't paying players under the table with fan donations to come to their team and pretending it is NIL because they actual have contracts and rules.

1 hour ago, Kdug said:

Yeah, that is incredibly illegal and goes against every free market principle that our economy is based on. Schools are willing to pay a lot of money to coaches because college basketball and football bring in an insane amount of money. IU is well within their right to set a cap at $100K for a basketball coach. They don’t do that because that’s no what the market dictates for a competent coach, and having good athletic programs is beneficial to the school.

Pro sports have salary caps for players in order to maintain competitive balance so obviously there are ways to accomplish it legally even if it is highly unlikely to happen.

Though, my actual point was more that the salary explosion is a result of bidding wars more so than it being required because the job is just so undesirable (as zline was trying to imply).

16 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

I didn't say nobody would.  I said there are a bunch that would.....but if they had the talent to be a scholarship athlete, odds are they already would be.  That's the whole "Just because someone that is willing to do a job for less doesn't make them more qualified than someone making more" comes in. 

"Hey coach, I know there's a cap of $999,999 for salaries, but if you come coach at my alma mater, we can hook you up for an extra $750,000 a year doing 'advertisements' for our network of *insert business here*. Wink wink nudge nudge."

And don't say it wouldn't happen, because it has.  Rollie Massimino at UNLV is one that we know about, and that was in 1991....you know...."back in the good old days when this stuff didn't happen". 

But hey.....if it wasn't freely talked about, it must not have happened. 🙄

That doesn't make the salaries and NIL amounts any less ridiculous 

4 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

You realize that most people aren't being written about on both broadcast and social media, with every one of your decisions past and present being scrutinized and criticized, right? Living in a fishbowl with all kinds of public pressure warrants compensation beyond the norm. 

And this is going to sound harsh, but of course there are students that would play for free.....but if they had the talent to be a scholarship athlete, odds are they already would be.  Or, if you're think you're good enough, walk on and see if you can get a chance to not only play for free but make a little bit in addition.  Just because someone would do a job for less money doesn't mean they're more qualified than the person that makes more.

Fishbowl doesn't require 7 figures and being paid more than doctors.  Bidding wars is the only reason they get paid ridiculous amounts.  If every school decided they would stick with 6 figures, there would be complaining but very few are taking a pay cut to change professions.

Obviously the talent wouldn't be as good but quit pretending no one would play for just a free education.  

57 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

A) Putting up with that much media scrutiny and travel for 5 figures? These aren't the days of recruiting your own backyard and talking to newspaper reporters a few times a week.  Hell, I'd turn that down without thinking about it. 

B) And there'd be just as much complaining, if not more.  Asking a kid to put his body on the line in exchange for non-monetary compensation to generate revenue for the rest of the university so that other people can financially benefit but I'm not?

And that would just turn out like prohibition.  You're not going to stamp out anything, you're just going to funnel all the "unseemly" activity into illegal channels....much like it has been since the 1970s. 

Or would you rather have it "out of sight, out of mind" and just have the appearance of an idyllic arcadia on display?

A) You realize most people make 5 figures right?  and travel is only for a part of the year.   It wasn't that long ago that 6 figures was the norm for coaching and there was no shortage of coaches.

B) There are plenty of people that play sports for fun and there are plenty of students that would play for free tuition.

You act like playing basketball is a deadly or even dangerous occupation.  I can think of much more dangerous occupations that pay less.

1 hour ago, Zlinedavid said:

There's a reason that the old "company store" business model doesn't exist anymore.  Why? Because it sucks getting paid in scrip whenever there are people out there getting s**t rich in actual money from your efforts. 

Here is one thing that will not change: the media rights to college basketball/football generate huge amounts of dollars.  And we're not talking drips and drabs.  These are obscene amounts.  Scrooge McDuck money bin amounts. 

The university is making god knows how much.  Your coach and possibly even his top assistant are making 7 figures.  And you're supposed to put your body on the line in exchange for a scholarship that isn't going to cost the university even $100K over 4 years and have to live by rules where someone can't buy you a damn bagel?

"....I owe my soul to the company store......"

The concept of playing as a team and for each other isn't dead.  Look at the back to back seasons UConn has had.  99% of kids aren't asking for the whole pie, just their slice.  And believe it or not, even the bench players are getting paid and some are even doing some good with it.  Anthony Leal made enough NIL money in one year to pay off his sister's 4 years of student loans in full and have some left over. 

I understand the discrepancy between coaches salary and player's lack thereof

I think the fairness should have been coaches making less, not players making more.  

If colleges are swimming in that much cash, then reduce ticket prices, subsidize tuition for all students.   There wouldn't have been as much gripping if coaches were still making 5 figures.

The issue is competitive fairness and the fact that there is no fairness in the current setup. Colleges are just in bidding wars for the best players.

39 minutes ago, Indykev said:

Elijah Malone next? 2 bigs in a row?

Probably a sure thing we will be going after a backup big.  It's a gamble on how he does against better competition but may be the best option we can get for those backup minutes.

10 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

Seems like the initial post wasn't really that all those guys were better, more like they were "replaced" by? 

I get that.  Was only saying that Mgbako was already on the team and his deciding to return likely had nothing to do with Liam not coming.

Rest of my post was just my opinion on the replacements.