OGIUAndy

That was fun! 

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

 

Only thing that confused me about this individual... why did he only play like 22-25 mins per game? 

Looks like they had a lot of blow outs: https://gclancers.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule

This dude was super efficient. Seems like a no brainer to me if he wants in: https://gclancers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/elijah-malone/4798

1 minute ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

not comparing him to sparks but i just worry after seeing what sparks had to offer while playing well at Ball St then coming to the Big Ten he flopped.  Time will tell.  Certainly has upside 

This guy seems a bit more fleet of foot than Sparks and is shooting threes. I say bring it. 

1 hour ago, Indykev said:

Elijah Malone next? 2 bigs in a row?

I hope we get a guard before then, just so we don't have to read post after post of "we need shooters" or complaints about the double post etc. 

2 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

Not sure I would include Mgbako in that comparison.  He would have had his scholarship regardless of McNeeley.  

Rice is probably better than Fland in the short term but hard to say long term.

Ballo is better than Queen but only have him for a year.

Tucker is supposedly not as good shooting from outside but probably a better defender.

We did pretty good after losing out on all the recruits we thought could get.

 

Seems like the initial post wasn't really that all those guys were better, more like they were "replaced" by? 

3 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Just to be different 🙂

7 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said:

No offense, but I think the comment about efficiency is common sense. However, your ceiling is limited if you don’t have shooters. We’ve seen and complained about this game for how many years now? If the argument is that guys like MM, Carlyle, and Rice will improve enough to raise our ceiling, fair enough, but I think that’s a risky proposition. Sure would be nice to secure a sharp shooter that can benefit from guys that are able to attack and distribute the basketball. Otherwise teams will pack the paint and say good luck. 

I agree with this, but until the roster is set and the scholarships are filled, we can't yet say we don't have any shooters. Upgrading overall talent seems to be the first and necessary step. 

3 minutes ago, RoadToZion said:

It was done before he was even on campus. Same with Rice. And apparently same w/ Carlyle. Money talks. 

Except with Hickman. 

17 minutes ago, Purdue7 said:

Indy lawyer friend told me it is 

3.3 is a bargain 

in a couple years that’s one player 

 

honestly don’t know why you’d spend 700K on a 5 star freshman who has proven nothing if AJ Storr is basically the same price 

I don't think many teams are going to do this going forward precisely because of the situation you are describing. Why spend on the unknown. 

4 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

Ballo will visit Arkansas 

Now this blows. 

30 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said:

People are overreacting because we need shooters and one that they were told was coming here just committed to Cincinnati. So we still don’t have a shooter correct, going on how many years? Ballo alone doesn’t fix any problems, and I’m not of the opinion that Carlyle does either. 

This team had more than a shooting problem. And having two guys like this on our team would improve our team a lot.

44 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

Drew Adams recruited Hickman to Bradley and is now at Cincy.  Interesting turn of events. None of this is going to be set in stone in my mind until you get these guys in school etc. 

11 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

 

Yes yes. 

7 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

Yes…the Miller Kopp stand in the corner role. Thats a low volume shooting role. 

The "stand in the corner" role is pretty much what every single NBA team does on most plays. You're hoping that someone with the ball actually moves it via passing or penetrating. 

Drew Adams recruited Hickman to Bradley and is now at Cincy.  Interesting turn of events. None of this is going to be set in stone in my mind until you get these guys in school etc. 

On 4/9/2024 at 1:07 PM, OGIUAndy said:

It will be interesting to see how many people bolt after the spring game. 

Already starting to see it happen. Howland. 

1 hour ago, DC2345 said:

Payne is 12-14

Hickman 14

Carlyle and Williams are for little 500

So is Rice the 12th?

4 minutes ago, Indykev said:

A lot of inside info these days. who's talking?

Seems like most info is coming from Rabby from what I am gathering. I can't speak for @DC2345 

But some of this stuff I see people quoting Rabby. 

14 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

I am with you. I would like to see more emphasis on skills in our recruitment.  You need complementary talent.  

This is not a shot at Woody but something I feel IU has lost for 20 plus years:  being savvy with in-state assessments.   Athleticism and measurables are great and you need some of that.  But really good scouting involves a deep dive into understanding the talent, projecting them, looking at skills, and building a roster of complementary players.   We’ve got to do a better job looking under the hood, understanding a kid’s makeup, motor, toughness.  These are all hallmarks we’ve got to return to IMO.   This is a program issue, not a Woody issue.  You have to look at your built in advantages and find inefficiencies in the market in recruiting.  Indiana has better high school coaching and competition. Kids play in front of 10k like it’s nothing.  Indiana develops sound kids who are skilled, can shoot etc.   We keep launching teams without those attributes.  Not saying we need a small and unathletic team of shooters.  But look at how many mid major players come kick ass at the bigger levels.  Two started for Connecticut.  Take some of those guys and match them with the Wares and Rices etc. 

Some of the biggest "misses" have been Indiana kids, both who we've passed on and who we've recruited. But don't get tunnel vision. You can't just take an Indiana kid to appease people. It's not where their from but the "Indiana" intangibles that matter. 

4 hours ago, dgambill said:

I don’t think it’s poor recruiting but more poor roster construction…and more importantly at the positions that have the biggest impact on the floor (PG ) but guards in general and having shooters that can space the floor or a dynamic athlete that can break down the defense and get to the rim. When we have had guards like that..we’ve been successful…we just haven’t had many of late.

But I think roster construction has a lot to do with recruiting. And the recruitment of guards is what I am referring to. We've had plenty of talented big men. If we would've hit on as many guards as we did big men, we would have won a lot more. There have been quite of few reaches as far as the group is concerned. I like what we're trying to do in the portal and if we land who we're hearing, we're going to see improvement and quickly. 

48 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

My only point in posting the breakdown of transfers was to shoot down the idea that players are only struggling and not developing here, not to try and address any other issues that the program may have. 

I agree, but that was kinda of my point. Most guys that struggle here, struggle elsewhere; they are/were not very good. 

16 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

Let's look at this case by case.  I'm leaving out draft entrants and graduates/out of eligibility, so just the transfers that went to another school. 

Year 1 was Lander, Phinisee, Stewart and Durr. Year 2 was Geronimo, Bates and Duncomb.

• Lander averaged 10/8 minutes, 2/3 points and 1/1 assists in his two years at IU.  He averaged 11/23 minutes, 3/9 points and 1/2 assists at WKU.  Didn't improve significantly after transferring. 
• Phinisee averaged 18 minutes, 4 points, 2 assists, 1 steal and 2 rebounds his last year at IU.  At UC, he averaged 16 minutes, 2 points, 2 assists, 1 steal and 2 rebounds.  Didn't improve significantly after transferring.
• Durr averaged 7 minutes, 2 points, 1 rebound and 0 blocks in his one year at IU.  He averaged 21 minutes, 5 points, 4 rebounds and 1 block at UCF.  Didn't improve significantly after transferring.
• Stewart averaged 24 minutes, 6 points, 1 assist and 2 rebounds in his one year at IU.  Those numbers are also comparable to what he averaged at Pitt.  At UT-Martin, he averaged 31 minutes, 16 points, 2 assists and 4 rebounds.  These are comparable numbers to his previous year at UTM.  His numbers improved, but what all 4 years tell me is that he does better against lesser competition. 
• Duncomb retired due to injuries and never played for Xavier. 
• Geronimo averaged 12 minutes, 4 points, 2 rebounds and 1 block his last year at IU.  He averaged 23 minutes, 5 points, 4 rebounds and 1 block at Maryland.  Didn't improve significantly after transferring.
• Bates averaged 20 minutes, 6 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 steal in his last year at IU.  He averaged 27 minutes, 13 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 steal at Mizzou.  That's a noticeable improvement against comparable competition. 

So out of Woodson's 6 voluntary transfers (not counting Duncomb): 4 clearly did not improve, 1's "improvement" was due to lower competition and 1 clearly did improve.  So 1/6, or 16% of Woodson's transfers improved under a different coach. 

I know your agenda is anti-Woodson, but of the players that transferred out under Woodson, they haven't exactly been lighting it up either. 

 

For past several years, the number one issue has been recruiting. This issue has exacerbated any insufficiencies/deficiencies in coaching and/or scheme. We have not done a good job with scouting/player evaluation. This lines up with IU simply not having an overall program/team identity, at least from the outside looking in.

6 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

To me this was the perfect "shot across the bow" so to speak.  Cig didn't single anyone out, didn't call out any specific behaviors, but basically said there's a lot of people that need a cranial-rectal extraction. 

The shot across the bow and the end of the road for me last season was when a player from OSU said we were a good/bowl team. And then we did what we did. We've had the talent outside of the injury wrecked season(s), we didn't have much else going on. I am glad we've seemingly finally got a guy who will if nothing else give us an identity.