FW_Hoosier

Hilarious. The best IU coach this century is coaching a 2 seed right now, and the worst coach in IU history is headed back to a midmajor with $10M in his back pocket.

We need to hang two banners in Assembly Hall: BILLY DONOVAN INDIANA COACH MARCH — APRIL 2017 BRAD STEVENS INDIANA COACH MARCH 2021

All that b****ing about the Celtics roster, and Langford doesn’t even get a mention.... Ouch, haha.

Would be interesting to see what he would in recruiting. Would definitely have to recruit differently than he did at Butler.

I hadn’t even really realized he’s been in the league for EIGHT years now. That’s big time name recognition, and he’s coached a bunch of NBA stars. He’s recruiting whoever he wants.

Well, well, well... Look who’s back.

The “N” in “Andy” would’ve already been on the board. Flawed meme.

But as a Bears fan, the Russell Wilson fiasco has thankfully brought me down to Earth on the Stevens hype. It ain’t happening — too many obstacles.

Agree with this. I thought the same thing about Dolson, but the way he’s handled this thus far has been impressive. Pulling the trigger on Archie, then going out and finding one donor to bankroll the buyout and another to bankroll the next coach is definitely ballsy. Good to see.

Agree with @IUwins0708 that Iowa is in a better position than OSU now — I hadn’t looked at OSU’s resume since before last week. @JugRox I would say that Illinois is in a better position than Alabama and much better position than WVU right now, but conference tournaments could change that.

Gonzaga, Michigan, and Baylor look like locks for #1 seeds. Who’s the fourth #1 seed if not Illinois or OSU?

Starts at the top — Archie looks and acts the exact same way.

If we beat MSU this week, going to West Lafayette with a tournament bid on the line is going to be quite the emotional affair... And the game’s at 2 p.m. on a Saturday? Mods have to be losing sleep thinking about that, lol.

Acceptance is the first step.

Spartans that good huh? Always like to hear that as a Homestead grad. We were never any good when I was there in the late 2000s, but Johnson appears to really have them rolling since Biggie got there. I think he’s started recruiting. Before Biggie, the only other Homestead grad of any note in basketball was Grant Leiendecker.

Fortunately for you, I’m sure IU’s administration will make sure you get your wish. Enjoy the losing!

Tell that to 8 out of the last 12 national champions (at least).

This mentality is exactly why IU is where it is right now, and things aren’t going to change until it’s been abandoned by the university and the fanbase. I’m a firm believer in the proposition that cheating in college basketball recruiting is the exact equivalent of speeding on the highway. There are no penalties and everyone does it. College basketball is entertainment, pure and simple — as long as no one’s getting hurt, I could care less about “integrity.” I might feel differently if paying recruits wasn’t a foundational aspect of the entire sport from pretty much its inception, or if there were actual consequences for “breaking the rules.”

You said here that Illinois is only good either because Underwood didn’t develop Dosunmu and Cockburn, or because he got just got lucky they stayed because of COVID. So which is it in your mind? And you’ve been on the crusade that Underwood sucks and is going to be hurt in recruiting because he couldn’t develop Dosunmu into a pro for more than a year now, lol. Underwood’s done a better job at Illinois than Archie has at IU because he’s recruited better than Archie and won more than Archie. As desperate as IU fans are right now to act like winning actually doesn’t matter at all in college basketball, you really don’t have to look at anything beyond the fact that Illinois is on pace for two top five finishes in the conference in the past two seasons and IU hasn’t been anywhere close to that. Then you have the fact that Underwood had that success after he changed his system when he realized it wasn’t going to cut it in the Big Ten (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-illinois-is-ncaa-tournament-bound-because-brad-underwood-admitted-defeat-and-changed-his-style/amp/). It’s looking more likely that pigs will fly than Archie will consider doing something like that. And yes, I am clearly on the record that I do not care at all about “cheating” in college basketball recruiting. I’d be thrilled to have a coach who was allowed to do whatever it takes to put a winning team on the floor, so the Stephen F. Austin/Oklahoma State stuff is irrelevant to me.

Not quite sure what you’re getting at here. A big part of this “Underwood sucks” argument is that Cockburn and Dosunmu came back for a second and third year because Underwood didn’t develop them into pros despite the fact that they were highly ranked recruits. I don’t really agree with that argument, but that’s the logic being used... And if it it applies to Underwood, it should apply to Archie as well, no?

Lol... “Underwood isn’t building a good program because Illinois wouldn’t be good if they didn’t have their two best players” is a pretty hilarious take. In this hypothetical world where teams don’t have their best players, you take TJD off of IU and IU is still in a way worse position than Illinois. Will you be saying the same thing about IU next year if TJD comes back for a third year because Archie “failed to develop him?” (Remember, TJD was a higher ranked recruit than both Cockburn and Dosunmu.)

First time watching Michigan this year. This Dickinson kid is a freshman? He looks like he’s 40.

IU won the Big Ten 5 years ago.

I can guarantee that’s not what he was saying... and I’d be disappointed if he did. Obviously looking at it objectively, Garza clearly had a better season than TJD all around, but TJD was probably better defensively. And when they went head to head, Garza got his, but TJD dropped 17-10 and walked away with the dub. No way would TJD ever say Garza is better than him, nor should he. Garza is not that much more superior to him.

Regardless of the reality, no elite college basketball player would ever respond to a statement questioning his ability to go pro by saying “I’m not good enough.” Especially one with pro aspirations like TJD. You really think TJD doesn’t believe he’s good enough to go pro?