BGleas

Right, but the difference is the wins and losses within those different quads. Not every Quad 1 or Quad 2 win in the same, and beyond the efficiency metrics, those wins and losses with the Quad ranges are also a separator.

I just looked at the boxscores for the FGCU, Morehead St and Wright State games. In each of those games we had 4 starters play 30+. The idea that those games were closer because Woodson took his foot off the gas and didn't want to run up the scores is just not reality. They were close because we weren't good.

But we weren't blowing those teams out with our starters in. It doesn't make any sense. We HAD to keep our starters in just to win those games. It wasn't like Woodson kept those game close on purpose and we easily could have blow Army out. We just weren't good. The metrics don't like IU because IU wasn't good.

Great post! Yes, while our records are similar to MSU within the Quad 1/2 ranges, who each of us beat and lost too isn't the same.

Yikes!

I dont think it's really possible, but for discussion sake it would probably require one of those wins to be against Purdue.

The numbers weren't manipulated negatively with IU though. We simply weren't good. We didn't take care of our own business. Barely beat terrible teams and blown out by good ones. Not every win/loss is created equal.

Throw the entire NIL war chest at him! He gone though.

XJ 🤦‍♂️

The only thing more completely mind-boggling than XJ's play is the belief Woodson has in him. That's literally one of the most concerning things.

Throw CJ Gunn out there for 20 minutes. Tell him he's not coming out and has a James Harden green light 🤣

Your warning had nothing to do with dogging Purdue.

^^^^ nah, Duke is good. Bad fans only negatively impact IU. Nowhere else.

College basketball is ridiculous with all of these reviews. For like the last minute of this UNC-Duke game anytime anyone makes a shot the refs immediately blow the whistle and run to the monitor to check the clock, check the shooters feet (even though they were clearly behind the 3pt line), etc. We don't care for 38 minutes and then the last two we just murder the flow of the game every chance we get. So annoying.

Grant Gelon is probably still kicking around at some NAIA school or something, right?

Sheppard, Knect, Dillingham, Zeigler, tons of guys in this game that would be great to have.

Same. I've lived on the east coast in different states for 30+ years. I've never once had a reaction from friends, co-workers or whatever when it comes to IU other than, "what is wrong with that program. Are they ever going to get it together. It's a sleeping giant." I've never had anyone ask me about the fans being crazy or toxic. Only how great IU fans are.

Agree to disagree. Completely fine. If that is the reputation, then shame on IU and the IU media for letting that be the narrative as opposed to all of the numerous things (and it's a long list) that make the IU fan base one of the best in the country.

The bolded isn't because of the fans. The bolded is because IU's athletic department and hierarchical structure is extremely poorly run. Maybe the fans should just go away and then we can see what that does? Literally turn this into Minnesota basketball. Let's have a half-empty Assembly Hall all year. The fans weren't a problem when they packed Assembly Hall in 2008-09 to watch a team of baseball players and walk-ons. Think that happens at Clemson? Think a freshmen averaging 2ppg is going to lead in NIL apparel sales at Ole Miss? IU has some crazy, bad fans. No doubt, and no argument from me on that. But, so does Duke, UNC, Kansas, UK, Michigan, Louisville, Alabama, etc., etc. This is not even remotely unique to IU. The difference is that IU's athletic department has been a joke. Fix the admin, hire a real, accomplished college basketball coach, and the fans aren't a problem. I'd also argue that IU's fans are the biggest reason the fix can actually be really easy and simple.

I'm not sure that's really the reputation, but even if that's accurate the reason you hear about all still ties back to the ineptitude of IU's administration. Fans wouldn't be so crazy if IU acted like a real, elite basketball program. The fans are the only thing keeping IU even remotely close to relevancy. Someone else said it, but without the fans IU is Minnesota. IU is Clemson. IU is Washington.

Agree to a large extent. Tweeting at recruits, family members, coaches, etc, should be completely out of bounds and off limits. There's no reason to get personal with players, coaches, recruits, etc. Completely agree and I don't and never have supported that. My point is, IU as a fanbase is no worse than Duke, UNC, Kansas, Michigan, OSU, etc., etc. The difference is IU's program has been a joke and completely mismanaged for 30 years. The fans are the symptom. Fixing IU's broken administration and approach to building a basketball program is preventing the disease.