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58 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

Coverdale?

Dude was tough as nails...heart of a lion.  He hated losing.

...but he loved him some barley pop.

Oops...sorry...he is NOT in the portal.

35 minutes ago, 94hoosier said:

I thought Goode was staying at Illinois. 

What happened with Anderson

We need a back up center more than anything else

Someone said earlier that Anderson was likely looking for more minutes than IU had to offer.  Good problem for IU to have in April.

1 minute ago, iuswingman said:

If Goode is strictly a 3, then wonder if MM will end up slotting at the 4 some.    Then you also have Tucker but he could probably fill in at a few positions.

I'm hoping our backup 4 does open things up with outside shooting regardless of whether he is called a wing or big.

If IU has all three of those guys, then yeah...no doubt some or all of them log significant minutes as a second wing defending a 4.  I could see Mgbako or Goode pulling that off.  My suspicion is that Tucker would need more time in the weight room before covering most college 4's.

Goode fits because he has enough experience to cover a 4 at least for a few minutes each game, particularly if you have a 7-foot rim protector backing him up.

6 minutes ago, Kdug said:

I think pairing him at the 4 with Ballo would actually be a pretty effective lineup. The weaknesses would be rebounding and post defense, which are already weaknesses with Reneau at the 4 anyway. It’d also provide more space for Ballo down low and Rice, Carlyle, and Galloway to attack the rim. 

Sure, in spots.  As you said, the defense is a concern so I wouldn't want to run that lineup more than maybe 10-15 minutes unless it is really working well, perhaps against a smaller lineup on the other side.

17 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Kopp played the 4 in the BTT, when we made a run, in CMWs first year. It looked great. 

Sorry went and checked.  It was pretty much just the ILL game in the tourney. 

I could see it in spots, especially when you need to draw defenders out of the land, but I sure wouldn't want to start a Kopp/Goode at the 4 in the Big Ten.  I could see on occasion, running two wings and two guards and keeping someone like Ballo back under the rim.  That would certainly provide a nice change of pace and make some space for shooters.

Back at the subject, Goode would slot nicely into the current roster.  Would be tough for me seeing him play the 4 unless you're temporarily going small.  Looks like a natural 3 to me.  I don't remember Miller Kopp being a real effective 4 in IU's system.

I hate the idea of waiting a whole week to resolve this one, but I guess there are enough open spots to give him a week.  Just seems silly when he likely already knows.

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

And a year late.  

Yeah, in hindsight, it was a year late.  The only disagreement you and I have is whether or not Woody should have known that after their freshman year.  Tough call.  I hate shoving kids aside prematurely though.

Just now, btownqb said:

Yeah my crimson colored glasses that day were thick. Kid sucks. 

I think most people came to the conclusion that both banks and Gunn had issues by the end of the last season.  I was much less sure after watching their freshman seasons.

Props to you for owning that one...I couldn't help but laugh as I will when it's my turn to eat a comment.

3 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

They were in the program for one year prior to the start of last season, and sat behind 4 viable backcourt options.  I'm not saying they should have stayed.  In fact I think them transferring was the right move.  What I'm saying is that going into last season, they weren't the disasters they turned out to be.  They were much more unknown. 

Yeah, the sample size was considerably larger after year two to make the call...and obviously, the call was made.

5 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

You sure about that?

 

26 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

You're going to cut loose two 4* recruits after their freshman year?

24 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Absolutely 

I think you're off on this one.  Not near enough of a sample size after that year to say either way.  As others have said, you'd cut a lot of very productive players if your leash was that short.

34 minutes ago, btownqb said:

No. Not at all. But again, that's the issue. We should have been in on, and SELLING, way more mins last off-season than we were. It was coaching malpractice to go into last season and think Cupps, Gunn, and Banks could play major mins. 

How do you know that staff wasn't?  It's not like they didn't TRY to get more quality guards...?

35 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

A 13th kid on the roster, especially one that we could have gotten in the time frame that we had, wasn't going to make a difference to our season...

This is pretty much what I just said...by the time it became apparent there were holes that wouldn't be filled, there weren't any difference makers to be had.  IU had enough to practice with already.

If you want to criticize Woody for anything, it would be for chasing talented guards that didn't come and then not having enough time to execute a backup plan.

1 hour ago, OGIUAndy said:

Of all the flak Woody took this year, the most deserved was not using that scholarship. X hadn't been healthy or played much, so it was silly not to bring in another experienced guard. 

I think that was mostly a product of swinging for the fences and missing.  No question, IU tried to get more guards last year, but the candidates they offered went elsewhere and by the time that all played out, there wasn't much left to get.  I'm guessing less than Leal and Cupps level players at that point. 

Banks and Gunn, I think the staff had much greater expectations that never panned out.  I kept hearing how great those two looked in practice and yet, it never translated on the floor.  Had those two made a nice soph jump, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation and probably make the dance.

On using the 13th scholarship, I wouldn't unless it's an upgrade.  If Anthony Leal is IU's floor, that's a danged good roster.  He's more than capable of shooting from distance and playing fundamental basketball.  Keep that last one for the MgBako that falls in your lap late.

43 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

we don't need to to keep an open scholarship.  pick up a sleeper to take a shot on if nothing else.

Yes, BUT...I'm 100% fine with holding it for the guys going through the draft process.  No rush to fill the last one now.

On 3/18/2024 at 1:59 PM, MoyeCowbell said:

Times have changed a bit since March...

55 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

My guess is that the total fund is probably like a line of credit.  Financial source X has said "I'll fund up to $x over y years".  Our staff then allocates accordingly. 

As for the deals....could be either or.  There's nothing that says you can't write a multi-year NIL deal.  If the financiers/programs were smart, they'd structure NIL deals to incentivize kids to stay.  "Ok, you'll get X in 24 installments over the first year.  If you don't transfer, you get X2 as of next year, plus Y "retention bonus" at the beginning of next season."

Yeah, that supposedly can't happen (conditioned on a particular school) except that it does and the NCAA is powerless to prevent it. NIL loopholes are so large and abundant,  the NCAA might as well not try to enforce anything. 

12 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I think it is a Goode bet that he ends up at IU

Sounds like you're describing the faculty who voted no confidence. 

Slow your roll...we're all entitled to our opinions without the juvenile name-calling.

Yeah...defense needs some work...

1 hour ago, Seeking6 said:

I honestly have no clue what's going on there. Can't be a $ thing. I know they have talent coming in but that many kids leaving makes me curious about Scheyer even more.

2 minutes ago, Jackson Kellogs said:

I graduated in 2021. Had many teachers that were very politically biased and left… I’m sure these are the ones voting no confidence which comes as no surprise. Half the faculty there is extremely lazy and terrible at their job. These professors are all power hungry. 

Since you're a fairly recent grad, I find your perspective interesting,  although I'm going to try to turn down the political heat some and take the position that no political bias of any stripe belongs in the classroom. What you say has a ring of truth to my experience with my daughter's time in dental school.  Her experience wasn't as bad as you're indicating yours was, but I'd expect dental school professors are, in general, more professional than some of the undergrad faculty you're describing. 

That being said, yeah...I get political bias creeping into poly sci classes (even though it shouldn't there either), but when politics even creep into dental school classrooms and administration,  you've got a problem that I referred to as 'institutional rot" in a topic I started in Crester's Corner.  There's too much interest in indoctrination vs. actual  education and it's far from just IU.  Even the Ivy's are struggling with this and in my mind, it's ruining and devaluating college education in America. To be fair, it's not all the faculty there.  I have a high school friend that teaches at IU. Knowing him as I do, I don't believe he lets politics into his classroom, at least not to the point of trying to teach students what to think, but I know it happened to my daughter both during her undergrad at USI and dental school at IU and I didn't like it and didn't appreciate having to pay for it.  I suspect the heat Whitten is taking here is at least partially from an effort to reduce the level of political bias at IU. I think she's right to avoid taking strong positions in controversial topics such as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and abortion.  I feel that way regardless of whether or not I'd personally agree with the side a school took. I simply don't feel like politics belong on most classrooms.  Even poly sci professors should strive to teach the ideas while avoiding the bias, although I recognize it's tougher in that discipline. 

Imagine how unwelcome someone like Yarden Garzone feels if one of her teachers leads an anti-Israeli demonstration and calls her people murderers?  I get that you can't (and shouldn't) suppress the student's free speech.  I also get that you can't instruct faculty what to personally believe.  At the same time, I think it's fair to insist that faculty keep their personal biases out of the classroom and teach instead of attempting to indoctrinate.

It sounds like that's at the root of the conflict between Whitten and some of the faculty and assuming I'm correct, I'm on her side. Ditch the politics and focus on your mission...education. 

34 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I heard Rabjohn's say the other day that the kid from UE is trying to get workouts for NBA teams. He said it might be awhile until he worries about setting up visits to colleges.

Players like that are why I'm in no hurry to fill all the scholarships. 

37 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

You’re the first person to catch that, nice job. And yes, the color is Purdue gold for that reason. 😂

I figured that out like at least two weeks ago during all the final four talk. I figured I was the last to know. 🤣

7 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

And I guess it's now 4 cents but I wouldn't mind holding one bullet left in the chamber when kids go to NBA Camp and find out they aren't getting drafted.

I know the last scholarship is a sensitive topic but I'd prefer to hold one.

Ditto.