Fiveoutofsix

Just now, NCHoosier32 said:

i think he could keep improving quickly.  will be interesting with Bates too.  seems like he has the ability to be a power 5 starter very soon.  

Bates has that swagger and shows flashes of skill.  It would be awesome if IU have guys like him, the new kids coming in, JG and X running th fast break.  

2 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said:

i think i agree.  i know many think JG can't play the 3 and that Race/TJD and him are a tough combo.  may be true.  a lot of talent in those 5 though.  enough shooting?  enough ballhandling?  not sure.  

Too me, defense is not there yet.  I use yet, because kid can grow.  He gots lost and feet tangled with dribble drives, back door cuts, Princeton type of cuts, etc.  

Might need a chance, might need to improve.  Got to think coaches would of tried him at the 3 the past few years if he can guard it at the present time.  

19 minutes ago, RoadToZion said:

Could be wrong, but I think Race will be moving on. 

It was mentioned in post game interviews he is preparing JG to take his spot.  Him and Trayce and JG I think have mentioned it.  

Race is a kid who reclassified to come here early, and he was as tough as nails, while growing his game.  It will be fun to see him stay, and also follow his career. 

25 minutes ago, 94hoosier said:

Can see Kopp playing some minutes at the 4. It would help spread the floor and open some driving lanes. If race leaves. I can see Kopp and Geronimo playing the 4. Kopp could play minutes at the 3 and 4.  Would work well with a long athletic center that can defend and rebound.  Maybe we get lucky and Davis comes back.  If race comes back you could play race at the 5 some and Kopp at the 4.  

 

For sure, my only guess-work is that Kopp was being asked to do things beyond his role.  He has never been a ball in hands type of player who creates.  He is a very good basketball player who leads a team.  Put together 2 more on the perimeter that can create, he has a role that is better for him, catch and shoot.  

2 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

Not happening. 

Kopp has a place on this team.  He brought an edge along with X this year that was needed.  When he first transferred, the talk from him and Woodson was one year.  Things have changed, maybe.  Not sure, just guessing.  However, he brings a toughness and a threat from the outside.  Like any player, the offseason is important, and if we have tripple threat guards/wings added, he can have terrific value.  

On 3/24/2022 at 4:58 PM, IU_Realist said:

Thank JD Campbell for another smear campaign which he did for Crean a lot. Woodson most likely isn’t that far away from it.  

Heard back from some of my sources, who I did not reach out to after the breaking the news.  Kind of keep my info to my own observations and what I read and hear into it is appropriate to learn more.  

Going to not go into too much detail.  I'll keep it to this:  Fife would share what Rabby posted with anyone that would listen himself.  This included people helping him in Bloomington.

The players also had feedback and it is a time where civil discourse is more important than ever no matter what your beleifs are.........  

This apparently was not a secret.  To me, in Chicago, reading message boards as an IU basketball fanatic, I didn’t want to beleive anything was wrong and IU basketball  was back to a perfect story.

You can see by the Walsh hire - this isn’t about Mike Woodson, it is about players, recruiting, and moving the program forward in an environment where all should feel a sense of belonging.

Hopefully all learn from this.

I know the Covid year has created a different scenario.  Kind of sad that kids won't finish careers at their schools.  Rob is a Hoosier, should always be thought of as a Hoosier. Played 4 years here and used all eligibility.  Hopefully that is not forgoten with wearing a uniform somewhere else.  

5 minutes ago, 94Bulldog said:

This x100

Hopefully both come back.  Got to think a full offseason with this staff will do wonders.  The NBA develops players, that is what they do.  Mike Woodson develops players and most development comes in the offseason.  Now, it will be interesting to see the plan in place for growth.  

Both of these players showed growth this season.  Would love to see how pieces fall in place.  

9 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said:

What I see from Gillespie at Villanova is what I envision for Gabe 

Whats amazing, if that shot didn't fall and this was IU, everyone would be yelling no offense, need movement 

Had a chance to listen to HH live space during my commute.  Johnny Jagger was on - I suggest listening.

Also mentioned Seltzer to follow Miller for a coaching position.  

There were stuff that happened and Dane did not do himself any good to stay.  

Got to trust Woodson as he knows what he needs.

Like the Adams rumor on another board.  Also, would love to see a call in to Scott May's son who is an assistant with a program on the east coast there is definitely a connection there.  

2 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

What is embarrassing? We were a 12 seed that fired an assistant coach. Nothing seems embarrassing about this.

Have you ever worked for a company that has major goals that didn't make major changes along the way? 

Its interesting we have had former hoosiers that have left, usually on their own terms.  The fact they took Fife off recruiting tells alot.

Recent hoosiers that left IU as assistants:  Calbert and Jim Thomas, Mike Roberts.....anyone else?  

Left because of IU decision: Fife, Dakitch

19 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

I am sure Fife has a side to all of that.  He is not dumb.  How did he just land Max Christie for MSU?  By being an idiot?  That's a PR piece stilted from the IU POV.  They want to sell the firing because they know Fife is popular and people like me like him and want to know how this happened.

The loyalty thing is total BS.  I have heard Fife say he is not the coach in waiting and that has never been discussed.  That's a strong clue that Woodson's insecurity is running wild.

Let's see if Woody can keep the rest of his staff and knock it off with further internal conflicts in the future.  You don't strike out on one strike.    

Max Christie was recruited by Tom Izzo, seen Izzo at games.  Fife was involved, but Izzo went all in for him.

9 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

By top assistant I just meant he is well regarded.  I heard him tell DD that there was never a discussion of him being formally named the top assistant.  He wasn't worried about it.  He came here.  

This I could say I have heard him on the radio say he wanted the head coaching gig and went for it.  He also said he hopes to get it in the future.  After reading a bunch and not believing the rumors when first started......they all connect.  Its the recruiting, politics, NIL etc.  I texted some AAU connections in Chicago, have not heard back.  But, it all aligns now.  I didn't want to beleive it because Fife was a figure on our last championship team.

Okay, so I was 100% wrong on this one.  I guess, I'm more disappointed in Dane that he would "leak" information.  I'm sure he will get a good job, but thatis not a trustworthy thing to do in this profession.  Interesting with some of the rumors Dolson hired Fife before Woody had a chance to.

I willnow beleive in some of the rumors, even if they don't make sense to me.ha!

13 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

This just sounds like more of the same to, but because Rabby is repeating it, it has more validity? I just can't believe this is a major issue. Wittman is a consultant right? 

JG said on HH podcast the coaches are real tight and always talking and giving feedback to Coach.  There IS probably going to be turnover which happens to most staffs and Coach probably has more of an idea for a needs.  It would be natural no matter what the situation is/was.

44 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said:

Rabjohns was on A show yesterday with Jake Query and said there might possibly be some dissension on the coaching staff because of Wittman and Todd being at practices.  I didn’t know they were paid consultants.  He also said Geronimo likes it at IU but his people want him to explore other options.  Then again I thought Rabjohns said Geronimo was the only front court player returning….. will be an interesting off season!

In the HH interview, JG mentioned his at home trainer has influence on the decision.  Whats funny is the trainer he has since a kid, left as raw a basketball player as we have seen.  JG grew under this staff and hopefully stays.  It is funny who has an influence and who doesn't.  

52 minutes ago, RoadToZion said:

I disagree with the above comments. I think hes WAY better than the 12h or 13th man on our team. One of the issues I had w/ Woody this year was not playing him more. High basketball IQ like Galloway. The kid can ball. We will see what he brings next year. 

Leal is a winner, no doubt about it.  Plays his heart out.  He struggled on defense and any dribble drive.  I think, if he improves in this area he will grow into a spot.  It was evident for me live at Northwestern.  

When in the game, he has to be more than a guy who moves the ball, which he does well.  He has to be instant offense and as his shot struggled (even in pre-game) his time on the court reduced.

He has a role and like you said, will probably increase slightly.

13 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

All I know is Woody is going to have some hard conversations this week with some folks and there could be a players or 2 decide to leave on their own.

It will be interesting to see who the staff has relationships with already from the 22 class who are asking out of their letter of intent.  And, there should leaks soon to see who the staff is reaching out to.  

When can official visits happen? Is it a red light right now?

12 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said:

Im happy to say I'm no longer thinking this kid is just like 30 in state kids.  He's a straight baller.  Mr Basketball in Ohio as a junior.  That is impressive.  Dunking on a dude.  The shot is already there.  Seems way more athletic than the video from last summer.  

He's bringing Sheehey swag from day one.  

Add in, he is a true point guard.  Watching the tournament, you need an alpha point guard.  This kid is it.  

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

I hope we use JHS similar to how UT uses Kennedy Chandler. Kennedy is more of a PG then JHS and he didnt play "on the ball" exclusively. 

It was PG by committee at UT. And it was really effective. 

Watching this year and listening to coach on the shows, etc.  They want at least 4 players who can bring up the ball.  They pushed Thompson to grow his skills in that area. This team didn't have the personal.  For example, you put Galo in and then the defense camps the launch pad.  

JHS is a gamechanger!  He can do it all.  He does need to improve his outside shot....regardless he is a threat.  The kid might be as close to the complete package as we have seen in a long time.  Hopefully what you are saying, we will see more next year as the pieces to the puzzle fall in place.  

50 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

Some of it was stuff added because of Whitman. That’s a fact. 

I don't doubt he is involved.  He has been traveling with the team.  

13 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

He has Woodson’s ear on a lot of things. When the offense got more movement late in the year that was Whitman’s doing as were some sets and other wrinkles that were put in on offense. He just doesn’t want to do the day to day stuff or he’d already have day to day role. 

In a press conference both players and Coach mentioned the movement was added because X and TJD had a talk that they could now do it.  There was movent early on, but the staff felt they were not good at the pick and roll, etc.  X and TJD convinced them, they were now ready for it.  

4 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Recruiting Director can't recruit offsite though, unless they changed the rules. You need more then one assistant recruiting. 

These AAU tournaments are all over the country and recruiting is a national game now. This isn't Bob Knight's world anymore. 

I'm fine with replacing Ya, as I guess he's probably light on the actual coaching side, but I still don't like having 2 guys with little recruiting experience. 

Between Woodson, Fife and Hunter, and then with Matta and Armond Hill involved I'm sure we're fine from an X's and O's perspective. We need the Jimmy's and the Joe's now. 

Don't you think the names you just mentioned are going to recruit?  I get the director does most of the work from the office; however that is where the connection is made.  This is what Georgia football did.  

Hopefully we get to a point that we can recruit who we want like Scheyer is doing right now.  Not there yet; however there is enough people whonhave coaches back that are going to make connections.  Fife and Hunter are elite recruiters.  Hunters press conference with Archie, he said, make no bones about it, I was brought here to recruit.  

I agree, and also like the player development side.  Looking back to even Davis, a big loss was loosing McDonald as an assistant who was the development guy.  

Anyhow, it will be interesting.  

1 minute ago, DC2345 said:

Nope. He’ll never be more than a consultant because he’s enjoying being retired. 

Makes sense, but would be awesome.  I'm sure "money" could slide over.  And maybe them switching roles?  Going to be fun to see what happens.  

Just now, BGleas said:

I hear what you're saying as well, and I think these NBA guys have more AAU and grassroots connections then we probably think. 

With that said, I don’t love the idea of 2 out of 4 of our available offsite recruiters should we hire Whitman (Woodson, Whitman, Fife and Hunter) basically having zero college basketball recruiting experience. 

My thought is always put the best staff possible together.  Leverage the Recruiting Director positon and at least one assistant to make it his/her main objective.

Then again, Knight and Davis both hired high school coaches to get recruits.