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This conversation about a pretty weak foul call that probably shouldn't have even been made involving a Purdue player started back on page 19 and has been the majority of the posts since then. It was a call that shouldn't have been made, there wasn't much there either way. But the conversation goes on and on. Amazing.

*Yes, I recognize the irony of continuing it by making a post about it myself.

11 hours ago, FKIM01 said:

What you describe should have pretty serious consequences if it looks as bad as it sounds.

It looks very bad. No play on the ball, he just grabbed Trent's jersey and pulled him down.

26 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Rewatched the game and had a couple of observations...

I'm not sure the refs initially knew what the 2 3 point lines were (inner was high school, outer was college...No pro line) because Mac was about a foot inside the college line on his first make, and the ref threw the "field goal" hands in the air for a 3...

It was pretty apparent why CJ only got 3 minutes in the 1st half, and DNP in the 2nd...2 defensive lapses and 1 turnover (and he had a second one that he could have had a turnover assist on  ) won't get you time...He seemed to lack his usual energy too...Maybe a bit under the weather?

I thought XJ, despite not having great numbers, had a nice game...His D on Mack early was excellent, and he ran the team...There was some discussion earlier about Trey and X letting the other kids develop their games, and I think XJ was doing just that...He was running the team and not worried about "getting his." With the strength of our front court, I think that's the right thing to do. I also think his ankle had something to do with it. He gutted it out til the 4 minute mark, and then you could really see it bothering him...I hope he get through this upcoming 4 game stretch, and then get Cupps a lot of minutes when Morehead State, North Alabama, and Kennesaw St come calling...There are games where we're going to need him to score, but yesterday wasn't one of them...And the confidence dividends for especially Mac and Ware are huge in their development...

 

 

I was surprised when a few of those long 2s were initially counted as 3s. Especially the MM shot you're referring to. 

7 hours ago, FKIM01 said:

I signed up.  $20/year is pretty reasonable.  The beauty of it is, I won't even have to remember to cancel.  I got a token card for the Peacock site and seit it to expire in a couple of weeks.  Next November when Peacock tries to auto-renew, the card number simply won't work.  Token card numbers are awesome.

Alternatively, you could have just paid for the year then cancelled the service. They don't refund so you have the access you paid for for the next year without worrying about cancelling. That's how I did it.

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

No I did not say that at all but say whatever you want. I said he was on the same situation as Edey with a 5th if he wanted to.

21 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I never said anything about next year. My reply was to the guy saying that Edey will come back next year because of his draft status. I said TJD could have done the same thing but didn't use the extra year

No, what you said was that TJD could also come back next year. That may not be what you meant but it's what you said.

I also showed that TJD's situation was not like Edey's so just because TJD didn't use his COVID year can't be used to predict whether or not Edey will. Very different situations. 

Just now, IU Scott said:

He could have came back this year

Which isn't what you said. 

Also, he was projected to be drafted due to having athleticism and skills (other than shooting). Edey? Not so much. Can't really compare the two. It made sense for TJD to go pro but doesn't for Edey.

7 hours ago, 13th&Jackson said:

Like this one?

What do you mean? That guy obviously hit Edey's elbow with his face.

6 hours ago, IU Scott said:

So could TJD

TJD could be back next year? Incorrect.

21 hours ago, IndyHoosier said:

Purdue is trash without Edey. Will love seeing ol’ Porkchop’s team come back to earth next year 

Why do you think Edey won't use his COVID year? The NBA isn't calling.

2 hours ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Honestly, he needs to back up Edey. The paint gets too clogged when he and Edey are in together. Runs a lot better when Furst is in. TKR is a solid back-up 5 to Edey. 

lol. Out of HS he wanted to play the 3 or maybe stretch 4. Now he's only playable as a 5. 

1 minute ago, IUFLA said:

The NCAA uses a different formula than Kenpom...

While both methods use similar data, the biggest differences are

1) NET uses game location as a factor in the ranking system, while KenPom does not factor where the game was played in rankings.

2) Ken Pom uses adjusted efficiency based on how many possessions a team has per game while NET uses points per 100 possessions regardless of possession per game.

3) Scoring margin does not matter to the NET, but it does to KenPom.

4) KenPom does not factor wins and losses, it is simply a efficiency number.

5) KenPom uses strict formulas (predictive) to create ranking while NET uses a learning algorithm comparing what is expected to what happens.

That's an older chart than I brought in...

My overall point is, that the MAIN thing they're going to look at, and it says in the metric chart, is whether we won or not...I understand there is more to it, but the difference between winning and losing to those opponents is huge...

 

Yes, IF they get things figured out then winning those first few games instead of losing helps. However, that is a big IF. They've struggled against bad teams they should blow out and got blown out against the only good team they've played. If they don't get things figured out, these early wins will be moot since they won't win enough to even sniff the tournament.

The problem is that IU's efficiency numbers against weak opponents have been bad. Unless things change, they'll only get worse.

Army was a weak team, one of the weakest in the nation. FGCU was winless last I saw, so they're not looking like a good opponent.

Things can improve, but as they are right now, it's not good. That's why the stats @5fouls post don't look positive. They aren't.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2020-05-12/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking-replace-rpi

21 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Minimally...

That's scoring margin down there at the bottom...and it's capped at 10...

 

Let me know the beaches you go to so I can avoid them  

Is that the current one? I thought they removed that cap last year.

1 hour ago, IUFLA said:

"Statistics are like bikinis...they show a lot, but not everything."

I don't know how else to take the numbers you presented...As i looked through it, I really didn't see much positive...

It's 4 games into the season...Relax...

 

That's because there isn't much positive at the moment. 

As you said, it's only 4 games into the season so that can change, but at the present it isn't good.

2 hours ago, Muddy River said:

Six weeks ago we were going to be a solid 10 deep rotation.  Today we are poorly constructed?  How did that happen?  We all agree we desperately needed shooters after last year, but isn’t that what MM and Cupps were supposed to be?  Today I understand what the Duck fans were saying about Ware.  I did however think Gunn logged some very solid defensive minutes and the shots he took were within the flow of the game.  I really do think those will start to fall.

6 weeks ago, it was off season optimism. The returning starting guards were going to play as well or better than they had previously. The returning bench players were going to make a nice jump as sophomores. Added some talent in the transfer portal in Ware and experienced depth in Sparks and Walker. Added a stud freshman in MM. 

Since then, games have been played. The only of those that is that have been shown to be true so far are Reneau being improved and Ware being a talent. Galloway and Johnson are playing worse. The returning bench is barely improved. MM has been terrible. Cupps is not a scorer. Sparks and Walker haven't shown much.

Thoroughly outclassed. The stat sheet is as ugly as the final score.

1 minute ago, Sea Turtle said:

It took a long time and a lot of effort from Indiana University. But it happened.

Congratulations Indiana University!

You're here after a loss. I'm shocked! Shocked, I say.

11 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Guess the player.. 

4 games played, 2 starts. 18mpg 

31% FGs 44%FT 3ppg 3.5rpg 0-6 from 3... .3 apg, 1.3TOs per game.. 

 

I looked up his stats the other day so I know this one: Geronimo

3 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Was just kind of going off memory of the first 5 games. He's not really looked for his shot and despite the numbers it's been a bit inconsistent. 

He looks comfortable on the court for sure, but not necessarily comfortable with when he should look to shoot vs not. 

Wasn't really commenting on his current percentages, just that I expect him to be a greater weapon as a shooter as he gets more comfortable and some volume increases. 

I think he's more of a pass first type PG so I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't change, at least this year. Like I said, he's not really a scoring PG.

29 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Cupps I think will find his stroke with some volume.

Can you clarify this statement? Cupps is shooting 33.3% from 3 (2/6) which isn't great but also isn't terrible. So do you mean that that percentage will go up as he shoots more or that he'll start shooting at a higher volume? If it's the latter, I very much doubt that. He's not a scoring point. If it's the former, what do you think he'll level out at? High 30s/low 40s?

7 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Right! If you're shooting 60% from 3, then a wide open dunk is almost a bad shot 🤣

It almost is, especially coupled with how poorly this team rebounds. 2 shots at a 60% chance of making it is almost 3 points guaranteed. 84% chance, to be exact. 

Something needs to change or this season is going to get very bad very soon.

27 minutes ago, BGleas said:

 

 

Second unit giving up 60%. Yikes. I mean, almost 40% by the starters is very bad but 60% is just totally killer. Teams shouldn't shoot anything but 3s when the bench is in if they're going to guard it that poorly.

30 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

 

Could be a coincidence, but a poster on a different message board with this same screen name professes to be a UK fan.  And, no, I'm not talking about @bluegrassIU

I recognize that screen name from the rivals site (the old Peegs site) and it was pretty much always negative.

2 hours ago, BGleas said:

Hate to be negative, especially this early in the season, but my expectations are really, really low for this game. Hoping we can keep it somewhere between 10-15 and not get blown out. 

Biggest thing I'll be looking for, aside from XJ's health, is how/if Woodson shrinks the rotation at all against a good team. 

Were the first 5 games tinkering and seeing what guys have, or is this 10-man lineup how we're going to play?

Yeah, I think this game will be brutal.