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You make some legit points. That said, advance metrics do have some meaning. There's a reason why Babe Ruth leads MLB in career WAR. There's a reason that LeBron & MJ are the top two NBA players in career VORP. So, yes, the fact that Pippen has almost double the career VORP as Thomas does says something, whether everyone wants to admit it or not.

Damn right it is. Montana State....Enough said.

One of us is supporting his argument with information from other sources, The other is supporting his position by calling those who disagree with him biased and obtuse. Just sayin........

Other than your personal eye test, you have not provided a single argument to support your position. I have provided statistical analysis and a ranking by a respected NBA journalist. It's fine you have your opinion. You're entitled to it. But, how can you accuse Reacher of bias, when you're opinion seems to be based on your own bias?

Magic, Oscar, Stockton & Curry above Zeke.

Remember, we all made fun of the guy that tweeted Freddie would be starting in the NBA within 2 years.

Hoopster, Straight yes or no question. Do you totally dismiss advanced statistical metrics as having no value at all. Or, do you think in the right context they can tell a valid story?

Romeo is going to go to the line a lot anyway. His offensive game is one that will result in his getting fouled a lot. The difference in whether he scores 15 a game versus 18-19 is how well he shoots free throws. He was just an average free throw shooter in high school.

Hoopster. You readily disagree with me, just some schmuck with a keyboard. Yet, you totally ignore ignore the statistical information that has been provided AND the opinion of a Hall of Fame sportswriter that made his name covering the NBA. Like any good attorney, you're attacking the 'weak' link to make your argument, regardless of how much information exists to support the other position.

One man's opinion, but a respected one. https://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/09/michael-jordan-lebron-james-stephen-curry-nba-greatest

Thomas's best VORP season was 5.6 in '84-'85. Pippen had SIX seasons with a greater VORP than that.

If Thomas had played college ball at Montana State instead of IU, we would not be having this argument.

Pippen had a longer career than Zeke, so we won't hold Zeke's 37.5 career VORP against Pippen's 69.6. But, I do think career PER and Win Shares per 48 minutes are fair game. Career PER Pippen - 18.6 Zeke - 18.1 Career Win Shares per 48 minutes Pippen - .146 Zeke - .109