dbmhoosier Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, HoosierJax said: A win is a win and I'll take it.. but when is the improvement going to happen? Bad passing, poor free throw shooting ect....were almost to January. Hard to improve much when your best PG is essentially Devonte Newkirk. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: Hard to improve much when your best PG is essentially Devonte Newkirk. Maybe your heart will grow 3sizes some day 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: Hard to improve much when your best PG is essentially Devonte Newkirk. Correct. We need a talent influx, 0% of people on here would argue that. Edited December 18, 2021 by btownqb 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Jackson Kellogs said: He totally nullifies what he does well with his poor play. He does more bad than he does good… why in the hell is he shooting 9 3’s a game?! He shot more than Stewart and Kopp combined. IU's team, sorted by Win Shares Per 40 Minutes. If you're not familiar with the stat, it's an indicator to how much of an impact you make in regards to helping your team win while you are on the floor. X looks pretty important by this stat. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUalum Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Two things. "Interesting" officiating. I don't think much of what was called will be fouls in the BT. Took a lot away from the game IMO. Still trying to figure out how we lost out on the Flagrant 1 (no play on the ball) and end up negative points. We see the best and worst every game. A little more of the worst in this one. Early lazy passes or trying to make a hero pass. Once they settled down it got better. A few out of context shots, early in the possessions. Maybe it was the finals and long lay off. BT is right around the corner. Don't know if I am excited or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 We have an erratic point guard and our wings lack athleticism. When we NEED a bucket, it can be a struggle. So we aren’t there yet. But we should still be competitive this year. I think a 7-10 seed in the tourney. If we exceed my expectations, I’d love it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoutofsix Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: We have an erratic point guard and our wings lack athleticism. When we NEED a bucket, it can be a struggle. So we aren’t there yet. But we should still be competitive this year. I think a 7-10 seed in the tourney. If we exceed my expectations, I’d love it. Very true. This team still has a high ceiling. They lack a player that can shoot over someone, make their own shot. Most teams seem to have that athlete, at least one. Jordan and Bates are those two athletes. Jordan needs to figure out how not to get beat on D and he will see more time. The elevation he can get on his shot and the wrist snap can be dangerous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 I'm looking at the box score before heading out....X was +16 today while on the floor. Just a thought. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 IU 16 assists on 21 baskets. ND 5 assists on 21 baskets 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 33 minutes ago, 5fouls said: IU's team, sorted by Win Shares Per 40 Minutes. If you're not familiar with the stat, it's an indicator to how much of an impact you make in regards to helping your team win while you are on the floor. X looks pretty important by this stat. But so does Logan Duncomb... Just sayin'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUfaninIllinois Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, IUFLA said: But so does Logan Duncomb... Just sayin'... I’d like to see him over Durr….. durr is just sooooo bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, jv1972iu said: I said great shooters...and I stand by my statement. Night in and out it's going to be our defense that will have to rely on. We aren't going to average 75 pts per game in conference play. JMHO. 😊 I think Parker Stewart is a great shooter...when he's stepping into it, it's almost automatic... Our problem as I see it (and those with more knowledge of the intricacies of the game can chime in) is teams are going to dare our point guards to shoot while sticking to our 2 more reliable outside shooters...I thought both TJD and Race did a good job of passing out of the double team at the end, but could only find Rob or XJ with their man sagging 10 feet off of them...I know XJ's 3 numbers are good now, but with the tighter defense of the Big 10, that water will find its level... We have to get Stewart more than 4 shots a game...as of right now he's 27-54 from 3...right at 50% BTW, Illinois only beat the Irish by 10 in that dump in Champaign... Edited December 19, 2021 by IUFLA 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, IUFLA said: I think Parker Stewart is a great shooter...when he's stepping into it, it's almost automatic... Our problem as I see it (and those with more knowledge of the intricacies of the game can chime in) is teams are going to dare our point guards to shoot while sticking to our 2 more reliable outside shooters...I thought both TJD and Race did a good job of passing out of the double team at the end, but could only find Rob or XJ with their man sagging 10 feet off of them...I know XJ's 3 numbers are good now, but with the tighter defense of the Big 10, that water will find its level... We have to get Stewart more than 4 shots a game...as of right now he's 27-54 from 3...right at 50% BTW, Illinois only beat the Irish by 10 in that dump in Champaign... I don't disagree. Where was Bates today?? Dog house?? Edited December 19, 2021 by jv1972iu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippopotamo Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, jv1972iu said: I don't disagree. Where was Bates today?? Dog house?? We need a pinned thread about this. Death in the family. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said: I’d like to see him over Durr….. durr is just sooooo bad. I truly want to see Durr succeed sooo bad! His hands are just not strong around the basket. Every time he brings the ball down low it’s gets hacked and swiped at. Usually, 9 out of 10 times he loses it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, IUFLA said: I think Parker Stewart is a great shooter...when he's stepping into it, it's almost automatic... Our problem as I see it (and those with more knowledge of the intricacies of the game can chime in) is teams are going to dare our point guards to shoot while sticking to our 2 more reliable outside shooters...I thought both TJD and Race did a good job of passing out of the double team at the end, but could only find Rob or XJ with their man sagging 10 feet off of them...I know XJ's 3 numbers are good now, but with the tighter defense of the Big 10, that water will find its level... We have to get Stewart more than 4 shots a game...as of right now he's 27-54 from 3...right at 50% BTW, Illinois only beat the Irish by 10 in that dump in Champaign... Excellent post. At times, they don't guard Phinisee. His man would just ignore him and triple team TJD. It really clogs the floor when you have a liability on offense like that. He's not useless. He covered a bigger guy in Wesley. I think where Phinisee will save us when he is able to cover a guy like Ivey or other athletic guys who get downhill. The height difference is worth it. Ivey wants to attack off the bounce, and Phin needs to harass him on that. If Ivey hits some shots over Phin, so be it. We don't have many other guys who can cover a wing of that ilk. The trick on offense is you put Phin off the ball. If the other team doesn't have a guy who is beating us downhill, there is no law that Phinisee must play. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: Excellent post. At times, they don't guard Phinisee. His man would just ignore him and triple team TJD. It really clogs the floor when you have a liability on offense like that. He's not useless. He covered a bigger guy in Wesley. I think where Phinisee will save us when he is able to cover a guy like Ivey or other athletic guys who get downhill. The height difference is worth it. Ivey wants to attack off the bounce, and Phin needs to harass him on that. If Ivey hits some shots over Phin, so be it. We don't have many other guys who can cover a wing of that ilk. The trick on offense is you put Phin off the ball. If the other team doesn't have a guy who is beating us downhill, there is no law that Phinisee must play. In the post game, Coach Woody seemed happier with Rob than XJ, but he did say he was happy with the play of both... He did sneak in that XJ can be a great defender when he wants to, and that he was unhappy with the 2 blow by layups near the end (one on XJ, one on Stewart)... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said: I truly want to see Durr succeed sooo bad! His hands are just not strong around the basket. Every time he brings the ball down low it’s gets hacked and swiped at. Usually, 9 out of 10 times he loses it. Durr's footwork for a big guy is atrocious... Say what you want about Joey Brunk but the guy knew how to use shot fakes while keeping his pivot foot...Michael needs to work on that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 hours ago, jv1972iu said: I'm afraid the offense is what we're seeing right now. We aren't a team of great shooters. We have to win with defense. We're rarely going to blow teams out...especially in conference. 8-20 from 3 is pretty good if you ask me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, jv1972iu said: I don't disagree. Where was Bates today?? Dog house?? Death in the family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 Big shot Rob came through again at the fieldhouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Big shot Rob came through again at the fieldhouse You went, right? How was the crowd divvied up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: I think Parker Stewart is a great shooter...when he's stepping into it, it's almost automatic... Our problem as I see it (and those with more knowledge of the intricacies of the game can chime in) is teams are going to dare our point guards to shoot while sticking to our 2 more reliable outside shooters...I thought both TJD and Race did a good job of passing out of the double team at the end, but could only find Rob or XJ with their man sagging 10 feet off of them...I know XJ's 3 numbers are good now, but with the tighter defense of the Big 10, that water will find its level... We have to get Stewart more than 4 shots a game...as of right now he's 27-54 from 3...right at 50% BTW, Illinois only beat the Irish by 10 in that dump in Champaign... Needs to get more shots in movement w/o the ball and get his own shot with the ball. Not much motion in our motion offense, yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: But so does Logan Duncomb... Just sayin'... C'mon. Obviously stats are skewed with smaller sample sizes. The relief pitcher in baseball who goes 1-1 at the plate on the year does not get credit for a batting title. Of the regular players, X has the 3rd best number behind Trayce and Race. And, no one would argue that those two guys are our best players. But, X is right behind and well above some of teh other guys people want to see more of. Edited December 19, 2021 by 5fouls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, IU Scott said: 8-20 from 3 is pretty good if you ask me True...but it's one game. I simply don't believe we're going to shoot that way for the rest of the season. Edited December 19, 2021 by jv1972iu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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