IU878176 Posted January 26, 2022 Report Share Posted January 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Victobmyboy said: How do we know the second team won’t either? We don’t know if the first team struggles with the other teams best. If that’s the case the second team would too. Everything is still speculation. My guess is Woody knows what he’s doing. The second team? I was posting about not starting Kopp and Stewart together but keeping the other 4 starters. There is no way in the world I would want him to start the second team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted February 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 Where was Kopp in the game today? Did he play at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said: Where was Kopp in the game today? Did he play at all? Sure did but don't remember him taking a shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 It still just baffles me that Stewart and Kopp don't get wide open 3's off of TJD and Race's post ups. Not sure who's fault that it is, haven't really keyed in on it, but Illinois got so many wide open 3's off the attention Cockburn gets, and Michigan got a ton of open 3's off the attention Dickerson generated. Yet, we have two high scoring bigs, including an AA candidate that plays out of the post, yet we rarely get open 3's for Kopp and Stewart. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, BGleas said: It still just baffles me that Stewart and Kopp don't get wide open 3's off of TJD and Race's post ups. Not sure who's fault that it is, haven't really keyed in on it, but Illinois got so many wide open 3's off the attention Cockburn gets, and Michigan got a ton of open 3's off the attention Dickerson generated. Yet, we have two high scoring bigs, including an AA candidate that plays out of the post, yet we rarely get open 3's for Kopp and Stewart. In today’s game at least, when the ball went inside, neither big seemed interested in anything other than going to the hole -in TJD’s case, or shooting a short jumper or jump hook. I don’t think either of them had it in mind to look for an open shooter. I don’t know if it’s the way they are being coached to run the offense, but in today’s game there should have been some adjustment made as both guys struggled 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just now, Steubenhoosier said: In today’s game at least, when the ball went inside, neither big seemed interested in anything other than going to the hole -in TJD’s case, or shooting a short jumper or jump hook. I don’t think either of them had it in mind to look for an open shooter. I don’t know if it’s the way they are being coached to run the offense, but in today’s game there should have been some adjustment made as both guys struggled Agree. I think for a period in the 2nd half TJD was taking the battle with Cockburn personally, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he let it impact his game and how he was playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 49 minutes ago, BGleas said: Agree. I think for a period in the 2nd half TJD was taking the battle with Cockburn personally, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he let it impact his game and how he was playing. You mean like when Trent Frazier took his battle with XJ personally? That was definitely not a bad thing for Illinois... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, IUFLA said: You mean like when Trent Frazier took his battle with XJ personally? That was definitely not a bad thing for Illinois... Yup. Frazier raised him game, TJD didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Hoosier Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 I’d like to see TJD be more of a passer/playmaker out of the post. He’s got a good drive when he faces up from the short corner/wing. But when he’s going up against the Cockburns and Edey’s of the B1G he has to realize he’s not going to be able to bully them down all the way to the block. Instead, he settles for 8ft fading/leaning hooks that are really tough shots to make. If he can’t get lower in the post I’d like to see him pass it out and look for a better shot. In fact, that may be a key in getting Stewart and Kopp more shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 2 hours ago, BGleas said: It still just baffles me that Stewart and Kopp don't get wide open 3's off of TJD and Race's post ups. Not sure who's fault that it is, haven't really keyed in on it, but Illinois got so many wide open 3's off the attention Cockburn gets, and Michigan got a ton of open 3's off the attention Dickerson generated. Yet, we have two high scoring bigs, including an AA candidate that plays out of the post, yet we rarely get open 3's for Kopp and Stewart. I have noticed they don’t pull the trigger a lot. They’ll get a good look and either shot fake or swing it; that’s great guys, but you’re the best two shooters and we need you hitting those as guys are closing out. There are surely other factors at play, too, just their general timidness is one I’ve noticed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I have noticed they don’t pull the trigger a lot. They’ll get a good look and either shot fake or swing it; that’s great guys, but you’re the best two shooters and we need you hitting those as guys are closing out. There are surely other factors at play, too, just their general timidness is one I’ve noticed. I see that as well, though I also see both Race and TJD slow to kick it out and often not making the right reads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Going back through and including 17-18 Stewart and Kopp much better top duo. They are shooting 45% and 39% which is much better than any other of the top 2 volume shooters for the year by far. Closest is Green and Durham in 19-20 with 36% and 38%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, slojoe said: Going back through and including 17-18 Stewart and Kopp much better top duo. They are shooting 45% and 39% which is much better than any other of the top 2 volume shooters for the year by far. Closest is Green and Durham in 19-20 with 36% and 38%. The problem isn't that they can't shoot, the problem is either they just don't shoot enough or we don't do more to get them more shots. Stewart and Kopp taking/making more 3's will only help TJD and Race. I've always just felt that TJD and Race aren't always efficient at getting the ball out of the post to the right people. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, BGleas said: The problem isn't that they can't shoot, the problem is either they just don't shoot enough or we don't do more to get them more shots. Stewart and Kopp taking/making more 3's will only help TJD and Race. I've always just felt that TJD and Race aren't always efficient at getting the ball out of the post to the right people. They are to slow making their decision on what they are going to do. Also I think it is better getting your guys shots by player movement and screening. What frustrates me is that they have our big guys trying to just get post position by themselves instead of using cross screens to get them open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, BGleas said: The problem isn't that they can't shoot, the problem is either they just don't shoot enough or we don't do more to get them more shots. Stewart and Kopp taking/making more 3's will only help TJD and Race. I've always just felt that TJD and Race aren't always efficient at getting the ball out of the post to the right people. I agree about the two bigs. Wonder if the last 2 years hasn’t been ingrained into their decisions… they couldn’t rely on anyone they passed out of the post to, to make shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 1 hour ago, BGleas said: I see that as well, though I also see both Race and TJD slow to kick it out and often not making the right reads. I think it’s both for sure, although in defense of TJD and Race I may be slow to quick it out too if I know the two best shooters on the team aren’t going to pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoutofsix Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 47 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I think it’s both for sure, although in defense of TJD and Race I may be slow to quick it out too if I know the two best shooters on the team aren’t going to pull the trigger. I beleive in both of these players. Would love to see TJD face up at the rim and using his jumping ability to develop a little fade away 5-10' from the rim. The big,big centers give him trouble - he is to good not to add a face-up game. In the game, X was stretching his foot - wonder if cramping was happening? The inability to hit 3's comes back time after time and when Race and Trayce aren't scoring, it is a weakness. Michigan and Illinois- would love to have those games back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 year # of 3's/game/team # of 3's/game/top 2 % Season/Team 21-2 * 18.6 7.52 35 20-1 18.0 7.25 32 19-20 16.9 8.62 32.5 18-9 19.2 8.08 31 17-8 19.4 8.86 32 IU last 5 years * season to date prior to Illini game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 IU #109 in nation this year in 3 point make %. Parker is #76 in this individual category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Said it in the post game thread I believe. These two were brought in to shoot and make high volume of 3's. Either they are gun shy or the angles created for TJD/Race to dish back out aren't the best....either way something needs to improve from both. If not....just play Trey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 If, for any reason, these two start consistently taking and making shots, this team can really surge down the stretch. They could give us a real a boost. Miller found a bit of a groove where they’d overplay his shot and he’d take a couple of dribbles and drill a mid ranger. Now that has disappeared. Others have talked about RT and TJD not moving the ball out fast enough. That seems very fix-able to help take this team up a notch. In this offense, it’s pretty obvious we aren’t going to run them off screens. Without the quicker kick out passes and the lack of screening, let’s be honest. These guys aren’t quick enough to get their shot off. Earlier in the year, we’d look at the box score and see them combine for tons of empty minutes. We had a big discussion a month or so ago where they played 60 minutes and gave us 7 points without much else. I’ve been watching that, and those minutes have drifted down so credit the staff for that. I don’t have any problem with them starting, but if we don’t do a better job getting them looks, they need subbed out more. You have to look at your 200 minutes and get production throughout. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 Didn't watch the Illinois game, but am curious...does Cockburn draw more double teams than TJD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Hoosier Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 56 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: Didn't watch the Illinois game, but am curious...does Cockburn draw more double teams than TJD? We didn’t really double a whole lot… but part of that was due to their ability to really space the floor with shooters. I could be wrong but it felt like a lot of their 3’s at the end of the game came from kick outs from the post when we started to get desperate and more aggressive for steals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 42 minutes ago, 02Hoosier said: We didn’t really double a whole lot… but part of that was due to their ability to really space the floor with shooters. I could be wrong but it felt like a lot of their 3’s at the end of the game came from kick outs from the post when we started to get desperate and more aggressive for steals. If I were the coach I would let Kofi get his and stop the other players. RMK did that when we played Shaw in the tournament. Got behind early because the other players got off to a good start but it didn't last long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted February 6, 2022 Report Share Posted February 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: If I were the coach I would let Kofi get his and stop the other players. RMK did that when we played Shaw in the tournament. Got behind early because the other players got off to a good start but it didn't last long. The problem with that is we don't have Calbert Cheaney, who scored 30 in that game, to Shaq's 36. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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