IU247 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Just now, IU Scott said: You think he was upset he didn't get the OC job. This wouldn't bother me as much if it was just losing a RB coach. For me the worse part is losing our top recruit. If he was using his sons as a quasi “hostage” to get the OC job then good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Word is they want Kevin Wright too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Victobmyboy said: Word is they want Kevin Wright too. Fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 He gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderMonkey Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Damn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btownstrength Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 I know in most cases having your assistants poached by bigger programs is a good thing (in terms of our success and going above normal IU football baselines), but for some reason this has a sinking ship sort of feel to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said: He gone I’m sorry, but coaches that continue to hop from job to job like this really pi$$wz me off! When does the loyalty, longevity and pride in a program ever stick. Good grief! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoutofsix Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Artesian_86 said: I’m sorry, but coaches that continue to hop from job to job like this really pi$$wz me off! When does the loyalty, longevity and pride in a program ever stick. Good grief! There has to be a reason and we will probably never fully learn the extent of it. His entire family was part of the program. I'm still confused on why Justin Frye was not a candidate for Allen and how they let him go to OSU. Coach CM was awesome and a talented recruiter. Still hope this is a bad dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) I still trust the Coach Allen has his ducks in a row on this one. If McCullough actually, was not seeing eye to eye with Coach Allen on certain things, then he needs to go. I’m just guessing, no inside info. Yes he has some talented sons that could make immediate impact at IU, he’s not the head coach nor is he bigger than IU. Edited February 1, 2022 by Artesian_86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiveoutofsix Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said: I still trust the Coach Allen has his ducks in a row on this one. If McCullough actually, was not seeing eye to eye with Coach Allen on certain things, then he needs to go. I’m just guessing, no inside info. Yes he has some talented sons that could make immediate impact at IU, he’s not the head coach nor is he bigger than IU. Could be, but one has to ask why was it reported your OC, DC didn't see eye to eye, then a few position coaches the same? Something is not adding up. I don't understand what is going on with the leadership of the program. Edited February 1, 2022 by Fiveoutofsix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 24 minutes ago, Btownstrength said: I know in most cases having your assistants poached by bigger programs is a good thing (in terms of our success and going above normal IU football baselines), but for some reason this has a sinking ship sort of feel to it. Afraid I’m feeling the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Are most people thinking the sons will move on especially the two younger ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Are most people thinking the sons will move on especially the two younger ones. Possibly, however, the older one may stay out due to transfer rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 38 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Are most people thinking the sons will move on especially the two younger ones. Supposedly they have NIL deals and must stay to fulfill those. So at least a year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 36 minutes ago, Victobmyboy said: Afraid I’m feeling the same. Let’s not get dramatic. Let’s see how this season plays out. If they win two games, you can get dramatic. This blows but if DM didn’t have his sons, nobody would really care too much about this. It’s an odd situation and hurts the recruiting class rankings. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said: Let’s not get dramatic. Let’s see how this season plays out. If they win two games, you can get dramatic. This blows but if DM didn’t have his sons, nobody would really care too much about this. It’s an odd situation and hurts the recruiting class rankings. Don’t down play this. He’s the associate head coach too. Second in charge. That’s nothing to just dismiss. Kind of comical people would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier82 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 What an absolute gut punch. DM is the 5th highest paid RB coach in the nation and two of his sons (would soon to be 3) play on the team. Rival coaches are going to have an absolute field day with this in negative recruiting. I really hope this has nothing to do with Hiller and/or not giving DM the authority his AHC role was supported to bring. He was very vocal about why he took this job and it was because he wasn’t just an RB coach. It’ll be very telling if he’s not also named AHC at ND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier82 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said: Let’s not get dramatic. Let’s see how this season plays out. If they win two games, you can get dramatic. This blows but if DM didn’t have his sons, nobody would really care too much about this. It’s an odd situation and hurts the recruiting class rankings. Won’t speak for others but in my opinion, DM was the prize, his kids were an added bonus. I was excited from the jump because of who DM is, as a coach, person, leader, etc. Does Payne even still come now? What about the transfers he recruited? If they all jump ship we’ve got absolutely no RB room to speak of. Gonna be a tense few weeks seeing how this all plays out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Victobmyboy said: Don’t down play this. He’s the associate head coach too. Second in charge. That’s nothing to just dismiss. Kind of comical people would. He was here for a year and they went 2-10. Not dismissing him, I am as bummed as anyone, but let the season play out before we start jumping off the rooftops. Everyone is dramatic these days. It’s not like he’s leaving to go to PUke. ND is a big deal. Sorry fans, that’s a better job, and apparently he’s no different than most in coaching, he'll take a better job. From what I've read, he wanted the ND job previously and was actually the second choice this time, I believe former Bears RB coach was their first choice. Once Pitre decided to stay in the NFL, DM was their guy. If the Hiller rumor is proven true, then CTA will look foolish. But I don’t buy it. https://footballscoop.com/news/notre-dame-hiring-former-nfl-chiefs-assistant-deland-mccullough https://irishsportsdaily.com/s/16898/potential-notre-dame-running-back-coach-candidates Edited February 1, 2022 by OGIUAndy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Turtle Posted February 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Notre Dame is now seen as a place to get promoted. Mike Elko Clark Lea Marcus Freeman Lance Taylor(rb coach) John McNulty They have all become head coaches or coordinators recently from that program. This probably is a big reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 9 hours ago, Victobmyboy said: Don’t down play this. He’s the associate head coach too. Second in charge. That’s nothing to just dismiss. Kind of comical people would. I'm dismissing him. See ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Tough hit for sure but mostly because of his sons. I'm still in the remaining positive camp but I can't decipher if this is all Hiller or something else? If it's Hiller and coaches are leaving because of how he coaches his line....we need to evaluate things Coach Allen. If it's something else I'd love to know what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 12 hours ago, Victobmyboy said: Word is they want Kevin Wright too. I’m not so sure about that. They have a ton of TE coaches clamoring for that job. There could be interest but I don’t think he’s one of the top targets for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 26 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Tough hit for sure but mostly because of his sons. I'm still in the remaining positive camp but I can't decipher if this is all Hiller or something else? If it's Hiller and coaches are leaving because of how he coaches his line....we need to evaluate things Coach Allen. If it's something else I'd love to know what it is. IF this is at all Hiller-related, then it is extremely troubling. The argument of "no one person is bigger than the program" doesn't hold much water if it's used selectively. It can't only apply to Coach McCullough and not Coach Hiller. There are likely differences in opinion and philosophy, and I'm sure Coach Allen was put in the unenviable position of choosing, but from the outside looking in, this isn't the best outcome. He certainly had a say in the decision, or at the very least the capability to sway things, and it appears that didn't happen. Strictly my opinion, but I felt Coach McCullough is/was a better and more valuable coach at his position than Coach Hiller is/was at his. Based on that, I would keep the former over the latter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said: IF this is at all Hiller-related, then it is extremely troubling. The argument of "no one person is bigger than the program" doesn't hold much water if it's used selectively. It can't only apply to Coach McCullough and not Coach Hiller. There are likely differences in opinion and philosophy, and I'm sure Coach Allen was put in the unenviable position of choosing, but from the outside looking in, this isn't the best outcome. He certainly had a say in the decision, or at the very least the capability to sway things, and it appears that didn't happen. Strictly my opinion, but I felt Coach McCullough is/was a better and more valuable coach at his position than Coach Hiller is/was at his. Based on that, I would keep the former over the latter. Exactly. I always laugh when people say 1 person isn't bigger than the program....but 1 person is causing more damage to the program. I'll say this again just like you did. IF this is the reason coaches are leaving.....we need to take a hard look at Coach Hiller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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