rico Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: So, we have been substandard since 1993. Not since he was fired. '94 and it depends on how you look at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, rico said: '94 and it depends on how you look at it. That goes for a lot of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, btownqb said: So, we have been substandard since 1993. Not since he was fired. To a certain extent yes. Like others have said there us a 4 or 5 year period where Knight considered hanging it up or moving on to a new school and gave up some of the control. The admin passes him off so he came back with a vengeance at the end that they were going to get back to high quality character kids that he picked and were willing to put up with him. The Patrersons and Milkers etc were so talented but could not handle knight. In the past those guys would not have made it to IU because Knight would have let them know just how much of an ass he is. The assistants just wanted to deliver good players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, HoosierDPU95 said: And Bailey is a great example of how RMK's attitude towards recruiting changed in those last several years. I was at a Seymour regional Bailey's freshman year and remember the buzz because Knight was there in person to watch him. He was sitting on a metal folding chair in the corner of the upper deck walkway. Crap!! Now I just feel old 😔 Knight was in the gym at North Decatur many years ago. When the game was over the AD had the maintenance guy cut out that piece of bleacher and then had Cisco sign it a couple years later. To almost all high school coaches in Indiana Knight waa a huge deal and when he showed up it was special 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, btownqb said: That goes for a lot of things. We made the sweet 16 in 94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: To a certain extent yes. Like others have said there us a 4 or 5 year period where Knight considered hanging it up or moving on to a new school and gave up some of the control. The admin passes him off so he came back with a vengeance at the end that they were going to get back to high quality character kids that he picked and were willing to put up with him. The Patrersons and Milkers etc were so talented but could not handle knight. In the past those guys would not have made it to IU because Knight would have let them know just how much of an ass he is. The assistants just wanted to deliver good players And he still made the tournament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: We made the sweet 16 in 94 That's not good enough. Crean did that in 3 of 5 years and was fired. Edited February 17, 2022 by btownqb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, btownqb said: That's not good enough. Crean did that in 3 of 4 years and was fired the 5th year. Crean is looking pretty good now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 Just now, rico said: Crean is looking pretty good now. Nah. Woody is a better coach, to a lot better coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, rico said: Crean is looking pretty good now. Indiana Crean not GA Crean 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, btownqb said: That's not good enough. Crean did that in 3 of 5 years and was fired. Crean's (and Davis, and eventually Woodson...excluding Samson for obvious reasons) expectations were based on the bar Knight set...Rarely is the one who actually set the bar judged by its high point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, btownqb said: That's not good enough. Crean did that in 3 of 5 years and was fired. The two years before that we made the final four and the elite 8. The sweet 16 was the high water mark for Crean, where the sweet 16 was a normal thing. Also in 94 we had lost Cheany the all time leading scorer in big ten history, Greg Graham first round pick. They also lost starters in Nover and Reynolds. Edited February 17, 2022 by IU Scott 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier51 Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) What it all boils down to is Knight is a top 5 coach of all time, you aren't going to fire him without extenuating circumstances - i.e., the Neil Reed situation. Especially a coach that was still winning games, just not at the bar he set. It's not really that hard to understand. Edited February 17, 2022 by Hoosier51 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxnJxn Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, btownqb said: So, we have been substandard since 1993. Not since he was fired. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, AxnJxn said: lol agree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, rico said: Crean is looking pretty good now. 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 @btownqb serious question... What is your issue with Knight and the older fans who understand what he did for the program? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxnJxn Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: and the older fans who understand what he did for the program? I just wrote this ridiculously long, multi paragraph post about RMK, the positives, the negatives, the whole lot. It was a thing of beauty, and it completely vanished when I hit Submit. Majorly bummed right now. Note to self to copy/paste before submitting next time. The short version of it - you kinda had to be there to truly understand and appreciate the RMK experience. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: @btownqb serious question... What is your issue with Knight and the older fans who understand what he did for the program? I don't have an issue. You all are so sensitive when it comes to him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, btownqb said: I don't have an issue. You all are so sensitive when it comes to him though. Meh, you rag on him every damn chance you get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, rico said: Meh, you rag on him every damn chance you get. No, no I don't. I asked a question today, actually multiple questions, in this thread. And what do you think ppl do to Crean and Archie? good grief. Edited February 17, 2022 by btownqb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, btownqb said: Why did Knight have a roster so poor 25 years into his time at Indiana? 5 hours ago, btownqb said: I don't understand. If the results were substandard before he left. Some said for 4 or 5 years? What was taking so long to move on? 5 hours ago, btownqb said: So why was anyone upset that he was not retained? All I did was ask questions and none of those questions weren't ragging on RMK. Oh and I made fun of ppl that bought TTU hats, and I still would. Edited February 17, 2022 by btownqb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 Just now, btownqb said: I don't have an issue. You all are so sensitive when it comes to him though. I don't think that's true, at least not for me... RMK had warts, that's for sure...he could be enormously benevolent, and he could be a huge jackass...but when it comes to basketball minds, he really is in select company... Without him, IU is a University of San Francisco, a Cincinnati, or an Oklahoma A&M (State now)... But because of him, we have as many National Championships as the rest of the Big 10 schools combined. I think a lot of people appreciate that... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: I just wrote this ridiculously long, multi paragraph post about RMK, the positives, the negatives, the whole lot. It was a thing of beauty, and it completely vanished when I hit Submit. Majorly bummed right now. Note to self to copy/paste before submitting next time. The short version of it - you kinda had to be there to truly understand and appreciate the RMK experience. Damn the bad luck! And your last sentence is very true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 17, 2022 Report Share Posted February 17, 2022 Just now, IUFLA said: I don't think that's true, at least not for me... RMK had warts, that's for sure...he could be enormously benevolent, and he could be a huge jackass...but when it comes to basketball minds, he really is in select company... Without him, IU is a University of San Francisco, a Cincinnati, or an Oklahoma A&M (State now)... But because of him, we have as many National Championships as the rest of the Big 10 schools combined. I think a lot of people appreciate that... I just asked questions man. The obsession over him is never something that I will understand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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