IUFLA Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Don't want this to turn political at all, but in my opinion another madman is loose in Europe... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 People should be paying attention. I don't see this getting better. We will be impacted by the ramifications- higher oil prices, inflation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 My fear is that Putin wants to get the old USSR back together... Problem is, some of those old USSR states are in NATO and subject to Article 5 protection... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, IUFLA said: My fear is that Putin wants to get the old USSR back together... Problem is, some of those old USSR states are in NATO and subject to Article 5 protection... And what are China's thoughts on this impending invasion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Just now, rico said: And what are China's thoughts on this impending invasion? That's why sanctions against Russia won't work...I think the Kremlin and Beijing have the financial side worked out... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, IUFLA said: That's why sanctions against Russia won't work...I think the Kremlin and Beijing have the financial side worked out... So NATO should deploy troops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 49 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Don't want this to turn political at all, but in my opinion another madman is loose in Europe... @bluegrassIUon vacation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: @bluegrassIUon vacation? I hope he didn't go to the Crimea. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Not even close. As for what is happening now, if you want my thoughts I guess PM me. The last couple years has shown people are uncomfortable with reality and the truth and would rather shove their head up their ass and ignore it. This is a good read about what led to WW2. Edited February 24, 2022 by mrflynn03 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostin76 Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 Bad, dark day for the Ukranian people. Putin has been tryin g to sell this to his people, but I don’t think they are buying it. I hope he ends up regretting this, but it’s hard to tell where everything goes from here. I mean, we know what history says, but the world is so complex now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: Not even close. As for what is happening now, if you want my thoughts I guess PM me. The last couple years has shown people are uncomfortable with reality and the truth and would rather shove their head up their ass and ignore it. This is a good read about what led to WW2. I've read it...twice. Cover to cover, and all of the footnotes too. Own a paperback copy, which I browse now and again. When I made the comparison to 1936 it was simply a broad statement about the actions themselves. I considered 2 things. Hitler's hatred of the Treaty of Versailles, and his wish to (initially) unite the German speaking people of the Rhineland, and eventually Austria and the Sudetenland. Putin was a young KGB officer during the glory years of the USSR. I think his tipping point was the fall of the Berlin Wall and the subsequent disbanding of the USSR. Those are simple, but relevant parallels. I don't want to start this thread down the geopolitical road...just wanted a place to discuss this significant world event... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 A couple of weeks age I thought Putin was bluffing and wouldn’t actually pull the trigger. Looks like I was wrong. I’m still having trouble seeing how the gains of this action will ultimately outweigh the consequences for Putin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) I’ll just say this, be VERY careful about reading just the headlines! You can PM me if you want my thoughts. Edited February 24, 2022 by Drroogh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Drroogh said: I’ll just say this, be VERY careful about reading just the headlines! You can PM me if you want my thoughts. What should we be careful of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 There is whole lot more going on than what the headlines are making you think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) If it is a legitimate threat and not some ploy to cover up a parmesan cheese smokers dirty business deals, then it will be an attempt by Russia to get access to the Black Sea ports in Odessa. I think the 308th day of this year plays a role in this. Edited February 24, 2022 by mrflynn03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 I will say that Putin’s speech was unhinged the other day. This is clearly a man who lives in his own head when part of his rational for invading Ukraine is that he’s fighting Nazism? The President of Ukraine is Jewish and 3 of his ancestors were killed in the Holocaust! So perhaps, if he doesn’t listen to reason then he won’t be swayed much by sanctions. That in itself is definitely something to be concerned about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 13 hours ago, rico said: So NATO should deploy troops? Not yet...but my fear is they will be forced to eventually... And I'm waiting for the sabres to start rattling between China and Taiwan... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: Not yet...but my fear is they will be forced to eventually... And I'm waiting for the sabres to start rattling between China and Taiwan... Taiwan is more concerning to me. If China takes Taiwan it will show our allies we are useless and won't defend them. I really see the US just giving up Taiwan if it comes to that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: If it is a legitimate threat and not some ploy to cover up a parmesan cheese smokers dirty business deals, then it will be an attempt by Russia to get access to the Black Sea ports in Odessa. I think the 308th day of this year plays a role in this. They already have Sevastopol in Crimea! Edited February 24, 2022 by Drroogh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritzIam4IU Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Not yet...but my fear is they will be forced to eventually... And I'm waiting for the sabres to start rattling between China and Taiwan... I told my wife last week that China is watching how the world handles this situation to get a feel for how the U.S/allies might respond if China invades Taiwan. Crazy times indeed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 Interesting article on Ukraine giving up nukes that the USSR had left behind and the assurances they were given... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 And then this... "To anyone who would consider interfering from outside: If you do, you will face consequences greater than any you have faced in history," he said, according to Politico's translation of the speech. "All the relevant decisions have been taken. I hope you hear me." His speech also alluded to the substantial nuclear arsenal he commands, noting that Russia "is today one of the most powerful nuclear powers," Chilling... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostin76 Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, IUFLA said: And then this... "To anyone who would consider interfering from outside: If you do, you will face consequences greater than any you have faced in history," he said, according to Politico's translation of the speech. "All the relevant decisions have been taken. I hope you hear me." His speech also alluded to the substantial nuclear arsenal he commands, noting that Russia "is today one of the most powerful nuclear powers," Chilling... Chilling indeed. Dude is a madman. Saw on Twitter that Mo Creek is still in Ukraine. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, tdhoosier said: A couple of weeks age I thought Putin was bluffing and wouldn’t actually pull the trigger. Looks like I was wrong. I’m still having trouble seeing how the gains of this action will ultimately outweigh the consequences for Putin. I don't see where Russia will face much in consequences. They hold the natural resources (oil, gas, palladium, neon gas and more) that Europe and our carmakers and chipmakers need. Their economy can withstand sanctions. The West has already proven they are not going to take a stand. I fear for the other Eastern bloc countries. Putin has probably had this in mind for years waiting for the right time. Now the ramifications will last for decades. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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