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54 minutes ago, RoadToZion said:

Somewhere in whatever pit of hell he may be in, Goebbles wishes he had a tool of destruction like social media at his disposal. 

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1 hour ago, RoadToZion said:

Watch the movie "Don't Look Up." 

Art imitating life...

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18 hours ago, HoosierFaithful said:

 

17 hours ago, Lostin76 said:

Yes, Snopes has already debunked this one as well. Pushed by Russia and unfortunately many of our own.

Those are two biased, and in the case of Snopes, often blatantly wrong, sources. Have you ever seen the lists and looked at all the "facts" they were blatantly wrong about? 

Here is the US Govt admitting to joint biolabs in Ukraine. 

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/

"Active Research Projects

BTRP supports many collaborative research projects through which Ukrainian and American scientists work together.  A few recent examples are:

  •  “Risk Assessment of Selected Avian EDPs Potentially Carried by Migratory Birds over Ukraine”
  • “Prevalence of Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever virus and hantaviruses in Ukraine and the potential requirement for differential diagnosis of suspect leptospirosis patients”
  •   “The Spread of African Swine Fever Virus (ASFV) in Domestic Pigs and Wild Boars in Ukraine – Building Capacityfor Insight into the Transmission of ASFV through Characterization of Virus Isolates by Genome Sequencing and Phylogenetic Analysis”"

I have also seen that Metabiota (US private company) was doing work there. They have some troubling connections. 

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17 hours ago, Lostin76 said:

Yes, Snopes has already debunked this one as well. Pushed by Russia and unfortunately many of our own.

Im trying to understand the angle, even though, it appears there are biomedical research labs in Ukraine, why wouldn't there be.  Even if there wasn't, are you insinuating that Russian media propaganda has baited far right conservatives to believe there is?  And for what purpose?  To stir a frenzy and encourage the US to get involved and into the fight?  I don't understand why Russia would want the United States military taking over this operation.  Thin us out even more than we already are?  I don't get the angle.  I know it kinda doesn't matter since it appears there are research labs there.  But yeah, just curious.  

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2 hours ago, RoadToZion said:

"For those of you that can't afford 7 dollar a gallon gas, there's an app called 'Gas Buddy' that will show you the cheapest priced around"

Are people these days really that stupid? Seriously...Gas Buddy gonna show you where it's $6.99? 

If supply and demand is the issue, the supply can be eased by turning on Keystone...

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11 minutes ago, rico said:

So here's where the mainstream media betrays mankind by taking sides and not sticking to the real facts...

If any of these accusations are accurate, there's no way the free world should stand by with our hands in our pockets and watch this...

But...

 

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11 hours ago, tdhoosier said:

War is horrible. Been a while since there was activity on this thread. Pretty remarkable that Russia still has not overtaken a Ukrainian city and they are being pushed out of Kyiv. 🇺🇦 

Indeed. War is indeed cruel. I mean how awful is it even when someone like the US is trying to use precision munitions and limit  civilian casualties and it’s still awful…I think the truth of war is pretty shocking when people see what it “normally” looks like when the objective is to pummel the enemy into submission by any means necessary…which is basically the way a majority of the world works. If we had news reporters following the fighting in Africa and Cambodia etc day in and day out 24/7 coverage on all the major stations we might realize how truely awful it really is and why we should do what we can to avoid and end it at all cost.

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13 hours ago, RoadToZion said:

Putin must think this is a "video game". 

It’s all posturing. Russia has tried to to take Finland a few times in the past 100 years with heavy losses. To do so now would be suicide. First off they can’t even advance in Ukraine because of how poorly maintained their trucks and equipment have been kept…but unlike Ukraine who has mostly Soviet era defenses Finland and Sweden have American and western defense systems and tanks/planes. Putin knows that…he just wants to scare people into doing what he wants.

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The Russian army is suffering historically high 30% losses.  For comparison, the bloodiest battles of the US Civil War were considered horrible if there were 20% casualties. 
 
The last line of the article says Putin will "need a whole new army" if the next 2 weeks don't go well for him, which they certainly won't.  And he does not have a whole new army waiting.  So what happens? 
 
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On 4/14/2022 at 9:36 PM, dgambill said:

It’s all posturing. Russia has tried to to take Finland a few times in the past 100 years with heavy losses. To do so now would be suicide. First off they can’t even advance in Ukraine because of how poorly maintained their trucks and equipment have been kept…but unlike Ukraine who has mostly Soviet era defenses Finland and Sweden have American and western defense systems and tanks/planes. Putin knows that…he just wants to scare people into doing what he wants.

Although small in numbers, the Swedish Air Force is surprisingly capable. Being the home country for Saab helps a lot with that. 

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1 hour ago, Madison22 said:
The Russian army is suffering historically high 30% losses.  For comparison, the bloodiest battles of the US Civil War were considered horrible if there were 20% casualties. 
 
The last line of the article says Putin will "need a whole new army" if the next 2 weeks don't go well for him, which they certainly won't.  And he does not have a whole new army waiting.  So what happens? 
 

Can't read the article?

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1 hour ago, Zlinedavid said:

Although small in numbers, the Swedish Air Force is surprisingly capable. Being the home country for Saab helps a lot with that. 

I had a friend in the 90s who owned a Saab 900 and one of our co-workers use to tell him Saab stood for "Swedes Ain't Auto Builders." :D 

But, they do Aerospace pretty well...theJAS-39E is a superior fighter jet...

 

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24 minutes ago, rico said:

Can't read the article?

Here's the full article, from a British war historian:

 

Sometimes history is closer than it seems. Russian soldiers who have been wounded, captured or lost friends and colleagues in Ukraine have learned that very painful lesson over the last six weeks.

The losses that the Russian Army has suffered have been extreme, not just by the standards of post-Cold War warfare, but by all 19th and 20th century standards. Indeed the Russian war experience so far is perhaps more reminiscent of the mud and gore of the Battle of the Somme in 1916 than any subsequent military engagement.

By my calculation, based on a variety of public information, the Russians have lost approximately 30% of the forces that they have sent into Ukraine. This is a truly colossal figure, higher, in fact, than almost any engagement in modern military history from the US Civil War through to the two world wars.

The US Civil War, often seen as the first war of the industrial era, witnessed massive attritional and battle losses on all sides. But even Robert E. Lee, the Confederate General who suffered the most casualties, lost closer to 20% of his army than 30%.

Jumping to the Second World War, Russian losses are already outpacing German losses at the famously bloody Battle of Kursk. This series of battles, perhaps the greatest armour engagements in human history, saw the Germans suffer major losses in their war against Stalin’s Soviet Union. Indeed, after Kursk, the Germans never went on a major offensive again on the Eastern Front. In the six weeks of the campaign, which took in the opening offensive of the Germans (known as Operation Citadel), and stretched through Soviet counterattacks after Citadel’s failure, the Germans lost somewhere between 160,000 and 200,000 of the more than 900,000 soldiers they committed. This loss rate (between 17-22%) was almost unprecedented at the time, but again, it pales in comparison to estimated Russian losses today.

Now let’s look at the Battle of the Somme. The engagement is usually talked about mostly in terms of its exceedingly bloody first day, on which almost 20,000 British soldiers were killed. After this, though British losses were considerable, they slowed down significantly as the British army learned and adjusted.

Knowing exact casualties across the entire battle is not easy, and can spark passionate debates today. However, based on the figures we have, we can roughly estimate that around 1.05 million troops were killed from all sides out of around 3.5 million committed to the area between late June and late September, approximately 30%.

Crucially, however, these losses took place over 12 weeks, and the conflict in Russia began just seven weeks ago.

What does this huge Russian loss rate mean for the next stage of the war? First Russian forces across the board are suffering. The Russian Air Force still can’t gain air supremacy over the areas of battle, and the Russian Navy, which this week lost its flagship cruiser Moskva, has shown itself wanting. There are signs that morale is low: among the units pulled back from Kyiv there are stories of soldiers refusing to return to combat. Meanwhile, back in Russia, major steps are being taken to drum up new soldiers to fill the ranks.

In military terms, the Russian Army that invaded Ukraine six weeks ago might have one more big effort in it — but based on historical evidence, it seems likely that that would be it. In other words, the Battle of the Donbas, if that is what we are to witness, may be Russia’s last throw of the dice with this army.

After that, Putin will need an entirely new army if he is going to continue this war.

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41 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

I had a friend in the 90s who owned a Saab 900 and one of our co-workers use to tell him Saab stood for "Swedes Ain't Auto Builders." :D 

But, they do Aerospace pretty well...theJAS-39E is a superior fighter jet...

 

Alternatively, it could stand for Swedes Are Aircraft Builders. Which is probably why they dumped Saab Auto to GM. 

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On 4/7/2022 at 8:07 AM, RoadToZion said:

If you click that tweet above, you can read the entire thread. War crimes are happening on both sides. Not good. 


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/18/world/europe/ukraine-forces-cluster-munitions.html
 

Remember a month ago when it was the Russians using these outlawed bombs…come to find out it was actually the Ukrainians…like you said…the information is poor at best and manipulated on both sides. Have to be careful just trusting the media because they are being manipulated on both sides. All I know is war is evil…and this one is no different…praying for greater resolve of conscious to find a way to end this sooner rather than later.

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4 hours ago, dgambill said:


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/18/world/europe/ukraine-forces-cluster-munitions.html
 

Remember a month ago when it was the Russians using these outlawed bombs…come to find out it was actually the Ukrainians…like you said…the information is poor at best and manipulated on both sides. Have to be careful just trusting the media because they are being manipulated on both sides. All I know is war is evil…and this one is no different…praying for greater resolve of conscious to find a way to end this sooner rather than later.

Of course this is according to the NY Times.

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2 hours ago, rico said:

Of course this is according to the NY Times.

Hey I’m no NY times defender…actually the same ny times on March 9th wrote articles blaming Russia of doing the bombing…so all I’m saying is the media is getting it wrong just as much as right and being manipulated by both sides of this war. Ukraine could easily have corrected them but wanted sympathy and support…they play both sides of it by saying they are winning the war one minute by taking out Russian aggression and the next they can’t stop the Russians and need support and blaming atrocities on them. The same thing happens with the Russians with saying their ship caught fire and wasn’t struck by a missle or they aren’t taking losses and that the Ukrainian govt is made up of Nazi sympathizers. It’s very very difficult to piece together truth over there because for decades both countries have been very very politically corrupt and played the misinformation games. All I do know is the innocent Ukrainian citizens are being murdered and suffering and it makes me sad we haven’t done more to end this aggression.

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