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25 minutes ago, ADegenerate said:

I think you're basically right here but there is a little wiggle room if you want to argue it. The only issue at all that I have have with Archie at this point in time is 3pt concerns and the types of players that he's going after doesn't do anything to alleviate that concern of mine. Franklin shoots it around 35 and was at 29 on the travel circuit. Newman fills a potentially major hole that I could see needing filled in the future. Outside of Fitzner we don't have a single top level shooter and we won't be bringing one in either. Romeo and Anderson shot around 37% and Newman was the only one that we're linked with?

I'm just going to have to get used to having not having multiple players on the floor shooting 40 and over and even more on the bench :( 

 

Robert is a solid 3pt shooter....around that 37% range and Hunter is said to be an excellent spot up shooter. I can really see him excelling from the corner. I think if we can get guys to create on offense Damezi, Hunter, Fitz,  Romeo and even Green can be good spot up shooters for us (I've read he has nice touch from behind the arc)Let's be honest....nothing will be as bad as last years 3pt shooting. Honestly Johnson had a game or two where he got hot but it was pathetic and we should be much better. The days where Damezi and Romeo are facing double teams and their man not helping off should be long gone. They should get some very good looks and I think will shoot a respectable percentage. Of course Newman is a much better 3pt shooter than Franklin but when it comes to team building I trust Archie so far. We shouldn't lack for scoring over the next few years that is for sure. If Damezi or someone else turns into a specialist...all the better.

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5 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

I'm not a Delaney fan after the Trey Lyles stuff but he does have some juice it would appear in Indy hoops scene. Newman and Franklin are ballpark same type of players...but one could lead us to future higher profile recruits via who his coach is. Never a bad time to develop those relationships. Just my 2 cents. Anyway...Franklin is a long 6'5 guard who appears to enjoy playing defense (shut Purdue's Hunter down). Give me those kids all day long!

I think we have to look at that...it's important. Perhaps he is willing to be that specialist off the bench his first couple years until his offense grows to where it needs to be. Perhaps junior and senior year he shines as one of the best two way players in the conference! If a kid is willing to come in and do the dirty work...we need that too! He has the build and athleticism to do that right away...while the rest of his game comes around.

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17 minutes ago, StLHoosier said:

I think you’re worrying too much about it.  Those are all high school stats.  The kids will develop.  On top of that who knows how kids will perform from high school to college.  Some that didn’t shoot it too well will develop into good shooters, and some of the ones who did shoot it well won’t adjust to college level defense.  Let it play out before we complain about not having enough shooters.  I think we’ll be pleasantly surprised this year, and I think we have a good mix of shooters and people who can go and get their own shot.

Any recent examples of recruits that weren’t good shooters in high school that developed into lights-out, knock-down three point shooters in college?  I feel like pure shooting is a skill that players either have, or don’t.  For example, I didn’t look at a guy like Vic as a knockdown shooter when he was in college, even though he developed a pretty solid shot by the end of his time at IU.  I agree with ADegenerate that pure shooters are a need for us.

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19 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said:

Any recent examples of recruits that weren’t good shooters in high school that developed into lights-out, knock-down three point shooters in college?  I feel like pure shooting is a skill that players either have, or don’t.  For example, I didn’t look at a guy like Vic as a knockdown shooter when he was in college, even though he developed a pretty solid shot by the end of his time at IU.  I agree with ADegenerate that pure shooters are a need for us.

Max Bielfeldt couldn't shoot from outside of 5 feet in high school. I know I always felt pretty good though when the ball was released at the top of the key in his one year with us. Same for Fife....and honestly Yogi. Yogi via hard work turned himself into a very good shooter.

Your point is a good one. Pure shooters are a need....but I think we can always find one via grad transfer if the roster doesn't have one.

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24 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said:

Any recent examples of recruits that weren’t good shooters in high school that developed into lights-out, knock-down three point shooters in college?  I feel like pure shooting is a skill that players either have, or don’t.  For example, I didn’t look at a guy like Vic as a knockdown shooter when he was in college, even though he developed a pretty solid shot by the end of his time at IU.  I agree with ADegenerate that pure shooters are a need for us.

This is an interesting question. Made me start this thread. Let's pick up this topic over there!

 

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4 minutes ago, ADegenerate said:

He just doesn't place much value in three pointing shooting. I tallied up his dayton years and he's smack dab in the middle in attempts averaging 150th and he shot it at a decent % of 90th. He wants balance and that's just something I'm going to have to get used to. We've got a good one here thats for sure. A great one? There's a lot of time for us to figure that out. I'm playing the long game here. He just needs to prove to me that his system can produce a style that can win a title and I'm not sold on that yet. I need to see how we play for a few years before I can say that for sure. I'm observing here and not passing judgement either. It's going to be a fun ride. You guys wanted consistency and his system is built for that.

I agree 100% that we have consistency.  I just don't know is it's Bo Ryan or Coach K yet.  I'm certain that the Tom Crean and Mike Davis fall off the cliff seasons are over though.

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I would like to insert that Romeo IS a fantastic 3 point shooter. He played the majority of his senior season with a tweaked wrist, and was often double and/ or triple teamed. As a season ticket holder at NA, and someone who has watched basketball for over 40 years, I think many people will be pleasantly surprised how well Romeo can shoot. For reference, watch the Southport game on YouTube, it might make you feel a little more confident. 

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3 hours ago, milehiiu said:

One really never knows how things will eventually turn out.  Nor can we measure the heart within certain recruits.  There were some who questioned Victor Oladipo, when he committed to IU.  I remember it well.  ;)

I think Sheehey was similar. A lot of people questioned signing him but he turned into a solid player. 

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58 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said:

Any recent examples of recruits that weren’t good shooters in high school that developed into lights-out, knock-down three point shooters in college?  I feel like pure shooting is a skill that players either have, or don’t.  For example, I didn’t look at a guy like Vic as a knockdown shooter when he was in college, even though he developed a pretty solid shot by the end of his time at IU.  I agree with ADegenerate that pure shooters are a need for us.

We could both find stats that fit our narratives.  My point was, that you can never tell how kids will develop or adjust to a higher competition.  Anderson is very highly touted in regards to his outside shooting, even though he shot sub 40% in high school.  Romeo, Hunter, RP and Fitzner can all shoot the ball really well. IMO, we do not lack in the shooting department like we did last year.

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22 minutes ago, Rev_AK said:

I would like to insert that Romeo IS a fantastic 3 point shooter. He played the majority of his senior season with a tweaked wrist, and was often double and/ or triple teamed. As a season ticket holder at NA, and someone who has watched basketball for over 40 years, I think many people will be pleasantly surprised how well Romeo can shoot. For reference, watch the Southport game on YouTube, it might make you feel a little more confident. 

That's a good point. I'm definitely a believer in Romeo I just made the point about the system as a whole. I'm not sure if anyone remembers but some cocky troll showed up a while back sprouting off about how Romeo couldn't shoot and he was shooting his mouth off about somebody bet him so I took him up on the offer for however much he wanted and set the line at 38%. Never got a response from him though unfortunately. That would have been a fun one to sweat.

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13 minutes ago, ADegenerate said:

That's a good point. I'm definitely a believer in Romeo I just made the point about the system as a whole. I'm not sure if anyone remembers but some cocky troll showed up a while back sprouting off about how Romeo couldn't shoot and he was shooting his mouth off about somebody bet him so I took him up on the offer for however much he wanted and set the line at 38%. Never got a response from him though unfortunately. That would have been a fun one to sweat.

I’d like to also add, one of the reasons I have such a tough time watching NBA games, ( especially regular season) is that I think NO ONE should make a million dollars if they can’t hit free throws. One of my only negatives about Archie's season last year was the abysmal free throw shooting, something for which I think there is no excuse, something that is almost as mental as it is physical, and something that isn’t emphasized enough in today’s meat market of physical measuring and statistical metrics. Hopefully it was an anomaly. 

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33 minutes ago, StLHoosier said:

We could both find stats that fit our narratives.  My point was, that you can never tell how kids will develop or adjust to a higher competition.  Anderson is very highly touted in regards to his outside shooting, even though he shot sub 40% in high school.  Romeo, Hunter, RP and Fitzner can all shoot the ball really well. IMO, we do not lack in the shooting department like we did last year.

Pretty much agreed there, I’m not that worried about shooting this upcoming season.  I was thinking more about 2019 and going forward.

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9 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

So put him in the Bracey Wright Mo Creek Category?  Got it.

Both of those kids were good players. The lack of support, direction, and the lack of development was do to very poor coaching in my opinion. They never reached their potential at IU because of those reasons. No need to slam kids if that is what your intent is.

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6 minutes ago, Cutter said:

Both of those kids were good players. The lack of support, direction, and the lack of development was do to very poor coaching in my opinion. They never reached their potential at IU because of those reasons. No need to slam kids if that is what your intent is.

Perfectly said. Bracey put up some pretty outstanding numbers his freshman year. He made all 3rd team big 10 and made the All Big-10 Freshman team. 

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20 minutes ago, Cutter said:

Both of those kids were good players. The lack of support, direction, and the lack of development was do to very poor coaching in my opinion. They never reached their potential at IU because of those reasons. No need to slam kids if that is what your intent is.

Both were great guys. Especially Mo.  I never slammed anyone.

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1 hour ago, StLHoosier said:

It is the same guy who rushed over to GBI to tell them Newman wasn’t visiting about 10 min after bryan200088 came here with the info.  And don’t forget, he’s the reason we have these: :jumprope::nansplit:

He goes over to rivals as well and tells them everything he hears from this site.  He goes over there and tell the how we are leading for Brooks and TJD and Ramsey and they ask him where he gets his info.

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