btownqb Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 minute ago, 5 championships said: Haha all those guys would run circles around Kopp. All Kopp can do is stand and shoot and he wasn’t great at that He would look better if we get better guard play. And either way, I have no clue why you made this a Kopp vs. JG discussion. I don't want Kopp to have to start at the 3 either. It's just JG wasn't an option to play there last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 minute ago, 5 championships said: Agree to disagree Coaches don't operate like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 Just now, btownqb said: He would look better if we get better guard play. And either way, I have no clue why you made this a Kopp vs. JG discussion. I don't want Kopp to have to start at the 3 either. It's just JG wasn't an option to play there last year. X was fantastic down the stretch. Kopp missed a TON of wide open shots.. I think JG would of worked at the 3 even tho he isn’t a typical 3.. You keep Stew at the 2 and that keeps the floor spaced.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 minute ago, btownqb said: Coaches don't operate like that. Not true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, 5 championships said: X was fantastic down the stretch. Kopp missed a TON of wide open shots.. I think JG would of worked at the 3 even tho he isn’t a typical 3.. You keep Stew at the 2 and that keeps the floor spaced.. You want to keep Stewart, and get rid of Kopp. You lost me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said: Give me The Fixx, Psychedelic Furs, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, etc.....all day! You obviously didn't grow up in Bucktown 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, btownqb said: You want to keep Stewart, and get rid of Kopp. You lost me. Uhh no I would like both to leave but regarding last year you needed to keep 1 on the floor at a time for space. And Stew 3 point percentage is better than kopps Edited April 8, 2022 by 5 championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 Just now, btownqb said: You want to keep Stewart, and get rid of Kopp. You lost me. Exactly what i was thinking lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, 5 championships said: Not true It doesn't happen man. It especially doesn't happen to average transfers that Woodson has barely even met. The only person I could have seen getting ANY sort of a promise would have been Bates. It's not Miller Friggin' Kopp from Houston TX getting 6 shot attempts a game. There is no conspiracy to play Miller Kopp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 This is how I'm feeling about the state of this thread.....lol 🤔 🤪🤣🤣 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 5 championships said: Yea Kopp stood in the corner well There’s no need to be like that. We are just talking. Maybe you missed some of the games but Kopp went out to the corner and hit some key shots late in the season. It’s not that he stood in the corner. It’s that he was more of a threat than Thompson there that the defense had to account for it more. Without looking at his shot chart, Kopp hit, what, 37% from 3? If I’m close, I’d suggest he probably hit well over 40% on corner 3’s. The key metric would be the last stretch of the season where we finally started winning against better competition. If you told me he hit 45% on corner 3’s down the stretch, I’d believe it. We became a different team. Edited April 8, 2022 by BobSaccamanno 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: It doesn't happen man. It especially doesn't happen to average transfers that Woodson has barely even met. The only person I could have seen getting ANY sort of a promise would have been Bates. It's not Miller Friggin' Kopp from Houston TX getting 6 shot attempts a game. There is no conspiracy to play Miller Kopp. Don’t call it a promise I guess but He definitely laid out a plan and vision for him otherwise I’m not sure why Kopp would want to transfer to a place he wouldn’t play. Usually transfers go somewhere where they WILL play Edited April 8, 2022 by 5 championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said: There’s no need to be like that. We are just talking. Maybe you missed some of the games but Kopp went out to the corner and hit some key shots late in the season. It’s not that he stood in the corner. It’s that he was more of a threat than Thompson there that the defense had to account for it more. Without looking at his shot chart, Kopp hit, what, 37% from 3? If I’m close, I’d suggest he probably hit well over 40% on corner 3’s. The key metric would be the last stretch of the season where we finally started winning against better competition. If you told me he hit 45% on corner 3’s, I’d believe it. I believe the one big ten tournament game was first time he was in double figures since Syracuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Andrew said: Exactly what i was thinking lol Ideally both would go but regarding last year you had to keep 1 on the floor at a time for spacing and Stew shot a better percentage from 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, 5 championships said: Don’t call it a promise I guess but He definitely laid out a plan and vision for him otherwise I’m not sure why Kopp would want to transfer to a place he wouldn’t play. Usually transfers go somewhere where they WILL play For sure they do. But he didn't continuously start for anything other then... he was the best option. Be frustrated with that!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 Just now, btownqb said: For sure they do. But he didn't continuously start for anything other then... he was the best option. Be frustrated with that!! lol And when we got Kopp I thought it would work but ya he didn’t live up to expectations. Thought Woodson was to loyal at the point when he should of tried Geronimo at 3 or Leal since Gallo, Rob, and Bates situation happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 Last 9 games of the year Stewart shot 21% from 3...Kopp shot 38% 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Last 9 games of the year Stewart shot 21% from 3...Kopp shot 38% Stew definitely went in a slump. Pretty bad Kopp still couldn’t beat his percentage on the year. Thought the change should of happened sometime a lot earlier than 9 games left. Edited April 8, 2022 by 5 championships 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 minute ago, 5 championships said: And when we got Kopp I thought it would work but ya he didn’t live up to expectations. Thought Woodson was to loyal at the point when he should of tried Geronimo at 3 or Leal since Gallo, Rob, and Bates situation happened But, JG wasn't viewed as an option to play there. He does not play that position. Leal struggled, man. And I love Anthony, but he looks like a 13th scholarship type guy. He shot 31% from 3 Either way, that is fine to have that opinion. I don't agree with it. Your opinion though. I am just going to be pretty adamant that Kopp wasn't just allowed to start just because Woodson promise him X. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 Just now, btownqb said: But, JG wasn't viewed as an option to play there. He does not play that position. Leal struggled, man. And I love Anthony, but he looks like a 13th scholarship type guy. He shot 31% from 3 Either way, that is fine to have that opinion. I don't agree with it. Your opinion though. I am just going to be pretty adamant that Kopp wasn't just allowed to start just because Woodson promise him X. Ok I think it was a mistake to not view him as an option at the 3 or maybe they tried in practice and it didn’t work. I just got really tired of watching Kopp struggle 90% of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, 5 championships said: Stew definitely went in a slump. Pretty bad Kopp still couldn’t beat his percentage on the year. Thought the change should of happened sometime a lot earlier than 9 games left. "pretty bad" Kopp is literally fine at 18mpg lol He isn't going to hurt, and gives you the ability to stretch the floor. He had a positive A/TO ratio, plays solid D, and holds his own on the glass. Very Hartman ish. We can all see he needs to shoot 1.5-2% better from 3 next year. He is quite a bit better of basketball player then Parker Stewart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 Kopp played 450 more minutes than JG last year. Kopp 32 Turnovers/JG 31` JG 121 total rebounds and 42 offensive rebounds/ Kopp 89 and 12 Kopp was 32-37 on free throws --86.5%/ JG 25-44--56.8% Kopp OWS--.4 , DWS--1.1 WS--1.5 JG OWS--.5 , DWS--.9 WS .9 To me, statistics show JG's value to be a 4--rebounder/put backs. In 400 less minutes he turned the ball over more often. He also lost value as a free throw shooter--look at how well Villanova shot free throws as an example. Surprised to see the DWS favoring Kopp. Point being, both guys bring value to the team, but not the same skill sets. Unless JG strongly improves his handle and shot, he needs to stay inside. Developing him as the next stretch 4 to replace Race either this year or next makes some sense. He has to improve his free throws to trust him with 20+ minutes. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, 5 championships said: Ok I think it was a mistake to not view him as an option at the 3 or maybe they tried in practice and it didn’t work. I just got really tired of watching Kopp struggle 90% of time Which didn't happen. But, yeah, it's obvious it didn't work in practice, which is why it was NEVER tried in a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, btownqb said: Which didn't happen. But, yeah, it's obvious it didn't work in practice, which is why it was NEVER tried in a game. Kopp is not good haha I have yet to talk to anyone outside of here that thinks he should been on the court. Edited April 8, 2022 by 5 championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 Just now, Steubenhoosier said: Kopp played 450 more minutes than JG last year. Kopp 32 Turnovers/JG 31` JG 121 total rebounds and 42 offensive rebounds/ Kopp 89 and 12 Kopp was 32-37 on free throws --86.5%/ JG 25-44--56.8% Kopp OWS--.4 , DWS--1.1 WS--1.5 JG OWS--.5 , DWS--.9 WS .9 To me, statistics show JG's value to be a 4--rebounder/put backs. In 400 less minutes he turned the ball over more often. He also lost value as a free throw shooter--look at how well Villanova shot free throws as an example. Surprised to see the DWS favoring Kopp. Point being, both guys bring value to the team, but not the same skill sets. Unless JG strongly improves his handle and shot, he needs to stay inside. Developing him as the next stretch 4 to replace Race either this year or next makes some sense. He has to improve his free throws to trust him with 20+ minutes. To be fair, JG in conference play was 69% ... so he did show some improvement. He made 12-15 to end the year, so that obviously helped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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