FKIM01 Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 19 minutes ago, dgambill said: I hope so. But given his ties to coaches in the area he still is going to have a strong influence. Given OSU is imo the premier athletics school in the B1G and has resources and a gravitas that is among the nations elite it causes me more concern them say Purdue. I’m not trying to minimize IU...especially for our basketball recruits but OSU athletics is a power house. I believe Archie has done a wonderful job and continues to strengthen our standing but to me OSU is on a different level then Purdue so it’s much more competition. I don’t take them lightly. Understand. All I'm saying is that fans on the other side should be saying the same things about IU and should be doubly concerned about the player that Archie stole out of their back yard last year. It should make for some great competition going forward, but I'm optimistic about IU getting more than their share of elite recruits going forward...especially Indiana recruits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 5 hours ago, FKIM01 said: Understand. All I'm saying is that fans on the other side should be saying the same things about IU and should be doubly concerned about the player that Archie stole out of their back yard last year. It should make for some great competition going forward, but I'm optimistic about IU getting more than their share of elite recruits going forward...especially Indiana recruits. True that...Hunter is a stud...but they are too busy making excuses for their football coach being a douche bag to be worried but I get you and agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/starting-five-467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADegenerate Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 I’d love to snag Brandon. I’m not sure we’re the favorites here but he adds lock down shooting which is one of the only concerns that I have with our system to date. I’d have him over Ramsey personally but either would be fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, ADegenerate said: I’d love to snag Brandon. I’m not sure we’re the favorites here but he adds lock down shooting which is one of the only concerns that I have with our system to date. I’d have him over Ramsey personally but either would be fantastic. Ramsey shot better than him though? Smaller sample size but probably stiffer competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADegenerate Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Ramsey shot better than him though? Smaller sample size but probably stiffer competition. Hmmm? From what I’ve gathered (and not a lot to be fair) Newman was one of the few lights out shooters in the class? I’ve seen Ramsey compared to Marcus Smart who can’t shoot a lick...if Ramsey can shoot 33-35% with decent volume and is the defender he’s made out to be then of course I’d have him but I think there’s incredible value in having a shooter like Newman who can threaten 40% with volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePaulieWalnuts Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 The 19 class definitely lacks shooters. Newman is one of the best in the class. I haven't seen too much of Ramsey tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, ADegenerate said: Hmmm? From what I’ve gathered (and not a lot to be fair) Newman was one of the few lights out shooters in the class? I’ve seen Ramsey compared to Marcus Smart who can’t shoot a lick...if Ramsey can shoot 33-35% with decent volume and is the defender he’s made out to be then of course I’d have him but I think there’s incredible value in having a shooter like Newman who can threaten 40% with volume. I’d rather have the guy that can hit 45% of his 3s while being selective but can do everything as well. Especially with the front court we are looking to have. Won’t need our SG for volume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADegenerate Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: I’d rather have the guy that can hit 45% of his 3s while being selective but can do everything as well. Especially with the front court we are looking to have. Won’t need our SG for volume If you think he can hit 45% with that 6’10 wing span then that’s A+ level stuff. I’m not sure that’s realistic but if we’re going on totality then sure Ramsey is ranked higher for a reason. When UK almost went undefeated and had the best team that I’ve seen in my lifetime Doron Lamb was arguably their most important player...legitimate lock down shooting has more value than almost anything right now IMO...especially on an already good bordering great team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, ADegenerate said: If you think he can hit 45% with that 6’10 wing span then that’s A+ level stuff. I’m not sure that’s realistic but if we’re going on totality then sure Ramsey is ranked higher for a reason. When UK almost went undefeated and had the best team that I’ve seen in my lifetime Doron Lamb was arguably their most important player...legitimate lock down shooting has more value than almost anything right now IMO...especially on an already good bordering great team. He hit 45 percent last year so yeah I think it’s possible. Before questioning a guys shooting you should at least look at his shooting. Just a thought 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADegenerate Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: He hit 45 percent last year so yeah I think it’s possible. Before questioning a guys shooting you should at least look at his shooting. Just a thought 👍 I’ll never make that mistake again. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 50 minutes ago, ADegenerate said: If you think he can hit 45% with that 6’10 wing span then that’s A+ level stuff. I’m not sure that’s realistic but if we’re going on totality then sure Ramsey is ranked higher for a reason. When UK almost went undefeated and had the best team that I’ve seen in my lifetime Doron Lamb was arguably their most important player...legitimate lock down shooting has more value than almost anything right now IMO...especially on an already good bordering great team. Ramsey can also get his own shot. He can do just as well breaking down a defense and could kick out to Phinesee and Anderson and company. I don’t think he is a knock down shooter but his athleticism and length allows him to get to the rim and to higher percentage shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Ramsey also hit 60 % of his 2s. Kid is a threat from everywhere plus a killer defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieBall13 Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said: He hit 45 percent last year so yeah I think it’s possible. Before questioning a guys shooting you should at least look at his shooting. Just a thought 👍 A little aggressive response, he wasn't claiming much with certainty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stromboli Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said: He hit 45 percent last year so yeah I think it’s possible. Before questioning a guys shooting you should at least look at his shooting. Just a thought 👍 What are you basing this on, Brass? The 10/22 line he posted across ten games reported from IMG last season? EYBL season this year, Newman was a better scorer. He's not got a flashy game, and so his highlight vids aren't fun like Ramsey. But he's probably more effective. FWIW, I watched them both in April. Ramsey plays an active, frenetic game. Newman and offball perimeter assassin. Let's look at the EYBL stats, since that's against the same competition. Ramsey played 20 games, averaging 15.6 pts, and going 31/93 from 3, for 33.3%. Newman, in 21 games, scored 17.4 ppg, going 66/168 from 3 for 39.3%. Worth mentioning he went 43% in IHSAA from 3 last year. Newman also had 4.7 rpg, and Ramsey had 3.3. Assists, Ramsey 2.9, Newman 1.1. Turnovers, Ramsey 2.4, Newman 1.8. Steals, Ramsey 1.5, Newman 1.4. Either would be great. In my mind Brandon would be better for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHoosier Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 ^^GREAT statistics to back up your perspective! Thanks for providing. I’d say both options would be fantastic for Hoosier nation. I’d prefer Newman over Ramsey slightly. You can’t have enough knockdown shooters on a team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 47 minutes ago, ArchieBall13 said: A little aggressive response, he wasn't claiming much with certainty He called Ramsey hitting 45 percent A+ level stuff. I dont think that could be anything other than a dig. And yes was basing it on his 10-22. Which as i already noted was a small sample size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, DocHoosier said: You can’t have enough knockdown shooters on a team! Which is why Tom Crean was always so successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADegenerate Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said: He called Ramsey hitting 45 percent A+ level stuff. I dont think that could be anything other than a dig. And yes was basing it on his 10-22. Which as i already noted was a small sample size. It wasn’t a dig at all it was just a silly statement. Like I mentioned about Doron Lamb having insane value...he shot about 48% and you claimed Ramsey was a 45% shooter. That’s not realistic. Newman could hit 40% + with ease as a spot up shooter with enough talent around him and I think our system needs that. Ramsey would get his points slashing and shooting in volume. I stated I’d love both but I think Newman would add what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, ADegenerate said: It wasn’t a dig at all it was just a silly statement. Like I mentioned about Doron Lamb having insane value...he shot about 48% and you claimed Ramsey was a 45% shooter. That’s not realistic. Newman could hit 40% + with ease as a spot up shooter with enough talent around him and I think our system needs that. Ramsey would get his points slashing and shooting in volume. I stated I’d love both but I think Newman would add what we need. Newman is not Lamb. Hes an ok shooters but not an insane level player like Lamb. You have to view this like hiring somebody you dont hire somebody just because they are the best candidate unless they are good enough. Damezi and Hunter should be more than able to be our shooting role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieBall13 Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: He called Ramsey hitting 45 percent A+ level stuff. I dont think that could be anything other than a dig. And yes was basing it on his 10-22. Which as i already noted was a small sample size. Hmm not how I read it...just didn't think it warranted an aggressive response nor his intent. Small stuff though, carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADegenerate Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Just now, Brass Cannon said: Newman is not Lamb. Hes an ok shooters but not an insane level player like Lamb. You have to view this like hiring somebody you dont hire somebody just because they are the best candidate unless they are good enough. Damezi and Hunter should be more than able to be our shooting role. I’ve read on scouting reports he’s one of the best in the class. You obviously don’t place the premium on shooting that I do. That’s fine. Different strokes and all that. I think having specialists that excell in say the top 5% of their particular skill sets is better than being very good at everything combined but that’s just how I see the game. I’d rather have Newman (who’s no punk at everything else either) rather than a very tough defender who is just ‘decent’ at shooting and scoring but a great defender. Again different strokes for different folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, ADegenerate said: I’ve read on scouting reports he’s one of the best in the class. You obviously don’t place the premium on shooting that I do. That’s fine. Different strokes and all that. I think having specialists that excell in say the top 5% of their particular skill sets is better than being very good at everything combined but that’s just how I see the game. I’d rather have Newman (who’s no punk at everything else either) rather than a very tough defender who is just ‘decent’ at shooting and scoring but a great defender. Again different strokes for different folks. Being one of the best in a weak class doesnt make you great. Were Kenyon Martin and Jamal Magloire great players just because they were the two of the best of their nba draft? Anderson and Hunter i think shot a higher percentage(going off memory) and will be a year older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADegenerate Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Being one of the best in a weak class doesnt make you great. Were Kenyon Martin and Jamal Magloire great players just because they were the two of the best of their nba draft? Anderson and Hunter i think shot a higher percentage(going off memory) and will be a year older. I think we’d be picking nits if we kept on here. You’ve made your points and I’ve made mine. I’ll make a final point and I’ll leave you the final response. I’d be shocked if Anderson gets 10 minutes a game and floored if Hunter shoots over 36%. If Ramsey, Anderson, and Hunter equal their high school / travel production then I’d be Completely blown away but I don’t think that’s even moderately realistic. Final response is yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 56 minutes ago, ADegenerate said: I think we’d be picking nits if we kept on here. You’ve made your points and I’ve made mine. I’ll make a final point and I’ll leave you the final response. I’d be shocked if Anderson gets 10 minutes a game and floored if Hunter shoots over 36%. If Ramsey, Anderson, and Hunter equal their high school / travel production then I’d be Completely blown away but I don’t think that’s even moderately realistic. Final response is yours. So Damezi is only going to be able to give us 10 minutes a game as a sophomore but Brandon Newman is going to be ready to produce significantly more as a freshmen. Does that really sound legit to you? Damezi shot it better in AAU than Newman After all and that’s what you are claiming the value is i guess I don’t get why it’s unlikely for Damezi to match his high school and AAU production but it’s without a doubt that not only will Newman but will have a Lamb level of ability And I would be curious why you are confident that Hunter wouldn’t shoot higher than 36% he’s a top 50 prospect whom one of his many strengths are outside shooting I can’t find any stats on his shooting. But reports out of both aau and high school reported it as strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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