FKIM01 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 3 hours ago, HoosierJax said: So what was the conditional offer then "We'll take you if you commit before Franklin." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: "We'll take you if you commit before Franklin." Yeah, that’s not the type of “conditional” offer people were speaking of. Most acknowledged that an acceptance of an offer changes everything moving forward. Most people were saying there’s no way CAM is offering Franklin and making conditions before his hypothetical spot is filled. Like, “we really like you, but we only want you if Newman goes elsewhere”. Or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 Saying we only have so many spots and it’s first come first serve is not the type of “condition” you were referring to previously. You know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 From what I have gathered,Cam was only taking one at that spot.Franklin committed first and so he got it....Newman is moving on...probably between OSU and Purdue now,so we will see him down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, HoosierJax said: From what I have gathered,Cam was only taking one at that spot.Franklin committed first and so he got it....Newman is moving on...probably between OSU and Purdue now,so we will see him down the road. Correct lunger...so why did you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: Correct lunger...so why did you ask? I'll be your Huckleberry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: I'll be your Huckleberry You're a daisy if you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: You're a daisy if you do Gets no better than Tombstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU_Realist Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 7 hours ago, Maedhros said: Have a link to the Bossi interview? It’s on Rivals premium board. He posted it there and don’t remember if there was an article. He said he was rather honest and was shocked by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 7 hours ago, kyhoosier29 said: Saying we only have so many spots and it’s first come first serve is not the type of “condition” you were referring to previously. You know that. I hope you're joking. There are several different kinds of conditional offers but can you seriously say with a straight face when there are three spots and 20 offers (no, I didn't verify the number but it's safe to say we have way more offers than we have open scholarships) that they are all first come first served? I guarantee you there are offers given to kids who know that the offer is only good if some other kid does not commit. Then there are offers (the ones you call first come first served) which are conditional on someone else not making a decision earlier. ...and of course, there are offers that are unconditional at least for a set period of time. I expect there aren't many of these and they are given out very carefully to only the best recruits the staff thinks they have a good chance with. Coaches can't hold a spot open forever hoping to get a certain recruit. The point I am making is, there is no way the staff is making only unconditional offers. Likewise, there is no way the staff is offering 20 recruits for 3-4 spots and those 20 offers are all first come first served. Most offers come with some sort of condition. Otherwise, if you throw out 20 offers for 3-4 spots, you can't say they are unconditional if you are unwilling to take the first 3-4 who say yes, and I don't believe any coach is foolish enough to do that. Frankly, no offer is truly without conditions (either spoken/written or unspoken) until the LOI is signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 Paging @Indykev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Max said: Paging @Indykev I did speak to a player on the team but he didnt know anything. Same player that told me Franklin was there but also the same player that told me he didnt know who TJD was. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, FKIM01 said: I hope you're joking. There are several different kinds of conditional offers but can you seriously say with a straight face when there are three spots and 20 offers (no, I didn't verify the number but it's safe to say we have way more offers than we have open scholarships) that they are all first come first served? I guarantee you there are offers given to kids who know that the offer is only good if some other kid does not commit. Then there are offers (the ones you call first come first served) which are conditional on someone else not making a decision earlier. ...and of course, there are offers that are unconditional at least for a set period of time. I expect there aren't many of these and they are given out very carefully to only the best recruits the staff thinks they have a good chance with. Coaches can't hold a spot open forever hoping to get a certain recruit. The point I am making is, there is no way the staff is making only unconditional offers. Likewise, there is no way the staff is offering 20 recruits for 3-4 spots and those 20 offers are all first come first served. Most offers come with some sort of condition. Otherwise, if you throw out 20 offers for 3-4 spots, you can't say they are unconditional if you are unwilling to take the first 3-4 who say yes, and I don't believe any coach is foolish enough to do that. Frankly, no offer is truly without conditions (either spoken/written or unspoken) until the LOI is signed. I’m saying it’s an art, and that no we don’t tell kids we want them only if somebody else says no, or some other similar condition. I think the way CAM goes about his offers is due to how other offers / relationships are unfolding. The kids we are going after, which ones in this ‘19 class are going to be giddy about being sloppy seconds or thirds? I think CAM goes after kids with the intention he wants them, but if it isn’t reciprocated or he doesn’t feel good about it he, in a sense, moves on. It’s a chess game or a constant moving target. Or if he starts feeling really good about one, he lays off others which pretty much sends the message. He can circle back if he needs to. Part of that game is knowing which kids would be ready to pop and which ones he has time with. And he knows that through connected relationships. It’s a dangerous game to play giving half-hearted offers out. And I don’t think CAM does that. I think he may get a sense somebody may pop, and if he’s waiting on somebody else may let that recruit know that other circumstances have changed their offer. But in the moment, no I don’t think he offers a kid like he isn’t sure he really wants him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: I’m saying it’s an art, and that no we don’t tell kids we want them only if somebody else says no, or some other similar condition. I think the way CAM goes about his offers is due to how other offers / relationships are unfolding. The kids we are going after, which ones in this ‘19 class are going to be giddy about being sloppy seconds or thirds? I think CAM goes after kids with the intention he wants them, but if it isn’t reciprocated or he doesn’t feel good about it he, in a sense, moves on. It’s a chess game or a constant moving target. Or if he starts feeling really good about one, he lays off others which pretty much sends the message. He can circle back if he needs to. Part of that game is knowing which kids would be ready to pop and which ones he has time with. And he knows that through connected relationships. It’s a dangerous game to play giving half-hearted offers out. And I don’t think CAM does that. I think he may get a sense somebody may pop, and if he’s waiting on somebody else may let that recruit know that other circumstances have changed their offer. But in the moment, no I don’t think he offers a kid like he isn’t sure he really wants him. https://247sports.com/college/indiana/Season/2019-Basketball/Offers/ I'm not saying these offers are half-hearted. I'm saying that I don't believe they are all unconditional. Ruling out the kids who have already committed and the ones I think IU has no chance with, I still count eight legitimate offers. I'd be very surprised if Archie absolutely takes the first 2-3 who pop regardless of who they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: https://247sports.com/college/indiana/Season/2019-Basketball/Offers/ I'm not saying these offers are half-hearted. I'm saying that I don't believe they are all unconditional. Ruling out the kids who have already committed and the ones I think IU has no chance with, I still count eight legitimate offers. I'd be very surprised if Archie absolutely takes the first 2-3 who pop regardless of who they are. I’m just saying that I think CAM would have taken any of the offers he has made at the time he offered. But I think he knows what the kids are feeling and knows how he can play the game so that if he does miss out on a Brooks or a TJD, then he hasn’t burned other bridges. Any commitment changes the entire situation though. So I’m sure after the Franklin commitment his thoughts changed on some of his offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted September 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 TIme to move on Hoosier Sports Nation. Time to put a fork in Brandon Newman. (in this age of correctness.... that is metaphorically speaking ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADegenerate Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 17 hours ago, FKIM01 said: ...and yet we've had plenty of members here argue that IU doesn't make conditional offers. "All offers are absolute and unconditional!" Yeah, right. People deny things that make them uncomfortable. Clear as day that there are conditional offers. It’s not one sided either. It’s beneficial for both parties. 🤷🏼♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-updates-on-duke-unc-brandon-newman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 Yeah, As Mile posted earlier, it's probably time to move on...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 Interesting article with a little insight into college "offers" https://bleacherreport.com/articles/201519-college-football-recruiting-101-the-offer-game-how-it-all-works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said: Interesting article with a little insight into college "offers" https://bleacherreport.com/articles/201519-college-football-recruiting-101-the-offer-game-how-it-all-works Thanks for the link. That's pretty much how I thought the offer game went, but it's nice to see someone close to the game spell it out. Some "offers" come with conditions and are not committable when they are made. No doubt basketball functions the same way, albeit on a smaller scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 All colleges and most players give/have conditional offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 Rivals updated their 2019 Rankings https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2019 Newman is up five spots to #76, 4*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 8 hours ago, IUwins0708 said: All colleges and most players give/have conditional offers. I thought this was a given, but we've sure had some lively debates over something I thought was well-known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 9 hours ago, FKIM01 said: I thought this was a given, but we've sure had some lively debates over something I thought was well-known. I think the confusion is in the kinds of conditional offers - there are several types - and that an offer can be conditional just for the fact that a coach can extend an offer but also extend other offers, and if one of those is accepted the scholly offer originally made to player 1 may either be gone as the spot filled or may be a different animal, as player 2 plays the same position. Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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