DeadOne Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Seeking6 said: Not discounting your experience but I can guarantee it happens. Not only in hoops but football it's rampant. All day every day. I'll just use an example I know of recently. Brohm was recruiting a kid from Chicago. Had him down for a visit. Said two things. We won't offer you until you a run a 40 at a set time. At that point if you hit the time...we are only having 1 more kid at your position for this class and we have 2 in front of you that we've prioritized. If still interested in us...wait around. Only reason I know this is it's my best friend growing up. So as you said they haven’t offered him a scholarship....I would hear that as run the forty and if two of our other options say “no”, we will offer you a scholarship. Offering someone they can’t accept is a sure way to burn a bridge or offend someone. Either you want me to come to your school or you don’t. JMO. Also I think it deminishes the significance of a scholarship offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 hour ago, FKIM01 said: My guess? The kid wants to say they have an offer from ___________ for the status of having an offer even if they know they are a plan B. I get what you're saying...is an offer with strings attached really an offer? I think kids treat them as such to feed their egos a little. Can't say I blame them. If IU had told me I could accept an offer to play basketball for them if their first 2,000 choices shot them down, I'd still enjoy telling people that IU offered me a basketball scholarship. As well, this can become a bargaining chip. "I have an offer from school A" can be communicated to other schools without ever divulging that said offer has strings attached. I could see kids and their families using that strategy in hopes of getting more offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Seeking6 said: Not discounting your experience but I can guarantee it happens. Not only in hoops but football it's rampant. All day every day. I'll just use an example I know of recently. Brohm was recruiting a kid from Chicago. Had him down for a visit. Said two things. We won't offer you until you a run a 40 at a set time. At that point if you hit the time...we are only having 1 more kid at your position for this class and we have 2 in front of you that we've prioritized. If still interested in us...wait around. Only reason I know this is it's my best friend growing up. Football is different though. D1 schools have 85 scholarships to waste, so coaches can be reckless with certain guys, meaning that they demand they hit a mark like you said before accepting a commitment. They offer scholarships in that sport to many kids who are unranked and are essentially a gamble or to fill depth spots. Not the same situation in basketball. Archie hasn’t offered a 19 kid outside of the top 125 high school kids in America. He’s working with 13 schollies. Just isn’t the same IMO. I don’t think you can function effectively on the recruiting side in high D1 basketball with half-ass offers (unless a coach holds all the cards, as in a kid wants to go to a certain school). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: Football is different though. D1 schools have 85 scholarships to waste, so coaches can be reckless with certain guys, meaning that they demand they hit a mark like you said before accepting a commitment. They offer scholarships in that sport to many kids who are unranked and are essentially a gamble or to fill depth spots. Not the same situation in basketball. Archie hasn’t offered a 19 kid outside of the top 125 high school kids in America. He’s working with 13 schollies. Just isn’t the same IMO. I don’t think you can function effectively on the recruiting side in high D1 basketball with half-ass offers (unless a coach holds all the cards, as in a kid wants to go to a certain school). Understand and agree. Guess I should have added all the intricacies of each sport in my post. The point to my original post was this. Some offers/candidates can say yes whenever they want. Other offers are yes you can commit but only if this player says no. Happens in all money sports. Archie said it at his opening presser. Our offers will be gold. So far he is treating it that way. However...he's offered 3-4 people for 1 MAYBE 2 spots at a particular position in 19 class so the idea he isn't executing a plan B just doesn't make sense to me. Actually I'm glad he's doing that. I don't ever want to be in a situation where we are going for all 5 stars and for whatever reason miss on all...and the ups and downs continue (like under Crean, Davis). Archie is smart enough (so is his staff) to know that's a very easy way to get fired. Always have a plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 http://www.news-sentinel.com/sports/2018/07/12/tom-davis-high-school-basketball-in-indiana-as-it-was-has-left-and-it-isnt-coming-back/ Not sure if this the appropriate place for this, but it does refer to Newman's coach, and it also talks about how being an Indiana All Star is not the end all, be all for kids today. I believe both topics were touched on in this thread. I tend to agree that the highest level kids have their sights set on so much more than just being Mr. Basketball or All State. Kids at the highest level want to know how they compare to the best in the country, and possibly the world, vs comparing themselves to another in state player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted July 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 40 minutes ago, CoachSS said: Indiana's offer to Brandon Newman is legit. He can take it at any time. The staff wants him at IU. Thanks Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadOne Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 I don't think offers would be announced by schools unless they can be accepted unconditionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 2 hours ago, DeadOne said: I don't think offers would be announced by schools unless they can be accepted unconditionally. Don't the players usually announce offers? I don't know for sure but it seems that way to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 3 hours ago, DeadOne said: I don't think offers would be announced by schools unless they can be accepted unconditionally. Teams can't talk about specific recruits until they sign a LOI so teams don't announce offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted July 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Teams can't talk about specific recruits until they sign a LOI so teams don't announce offers. Prett sure that's right. And that's why some kids in the past have boasted about being offered, when in fact, they hadn't. Only in order to boost their resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadOne Posted July 13, 2018 Report Share Posted July 13, 2018 8 hours ago, IU Scott said: Teams can't talk about specific recruits until they sign a LOI so teams don't announce offers. Kinda forgot about that. Thanks for setting me straight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 https://www.insidethehall.com/2018/07/18/video-brandon-newman-2018-peach-jam-highlights/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 That was a lot of deep threes there...and some contested jumpers. Kid can definitely fill it up. That is something I would love to have at IU. Open up the floor for the rest of our guys if teams can't help off. Not sure we have a single guy (other than Romeo) that has the skill set he does. I hope him going out of state is just to make him better and to make the academic transition easier for him. He seems like the type that is improving at such a rate that may be late to commit. Hopefully it will still be with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Looks like Brandon has picked up offers from Va Tech and Maryland since he announced the transfer to prep school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Looks like Brandon has picked up offers from Va Tech and Maryland since he announced the transfer to prep school. Bound to have happened. Also maybe some schools asked him to go this route before offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/summer-jam-whose-gotta-have-em- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBQ Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Haven't seen an update lately, but this tweet supports what has been said before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted July 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 hour ago, BeerBQ said: Haven't seen an update lately, but this tweet supports what has been said before. Thanks BBQ. Hey Archie. See this ? Plse don't let another "Region Rat" slip through our fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Calihoosier Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 When reading this article something piqued my interest he really sounded like he was little annoyed of the recruiting press from Purdue. Notice he didn't say one positive word of coach painter recruiting tactic just the name of the school,(desperate much?) while for Indiana he absolutely mention Archie in glowing praise. Did anyone catch that at all while reading or am I way off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, Calihoosier said: When reading this article something piqued my interest he really sounded like he was little annoyed of the recruiting press from Purdue. Notice he didn't say one positive word of coach painter recruiting tactic just the name of the school,(desperate much?) while for Indiana he absolutely mention Archie in glowing praise. Did anyone catch that at all while reading or am I way off? Painter's entire recruiting pitch is probably "IU doesn't send guards to the league, we are shooting guard U!" so it wouldn't surprise if Newman isn't interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calihoosier Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Quote Lol yeah I just found it weird that his comments on IU and Puke were dramatically different it seemed like he is keeping Purdue in as a good will gesture judging from that interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Daily Hoosier Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 7 hours ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Painter's entire recruiting pitch is probably "IU doesn't send guards to the league, we are shooting guard U!" so it wouldn't surprise if Newman isn't interested. No, no, no, they are a big man school. They have one part time big man in the NBA, didn't you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Daily Hoosier said: No, no, no, they are a big man school. They have one part time big man in the NBA, didn't you know? Which NBA team did Dakota Mathias sign with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 14 hours ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Painter's entire recruiting pitch is probably "IU doesn't send guards to the league, we are shooting guard U!" so it wouldn't surprise if Newman isn't interested. Well we have Vic, EJ, and Yogi. What guards does PU have in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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