ephul Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Which basketball program is the best in Indiana? In one word. Right now? Not IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Which basketball program is the best in Indiana? In one word. During Newman's lifetime? Butler. During my lifetime? IU because of the early 90s success. (I was born in 90) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, ephul said: Right now? Not IU. We're the best program in the state by far. According to Forbes we're the 2nd most valuable program in the nation only slightly behind UK. We have by far the best facilities and the biggest fan base of any instate program. We'll also have the best team this season. We're the only in state program who is a regular threat to land 5 star talent. Yes, we've had an extremely incompetent administration for 20 years and several awful coaching hires but thankfully those days are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: We're the best program in the state by far. According to Forbes we're the 2nd most valuable program in the nation only slightly behind UK. We have by far the best facilities and the biggest fan base of any instate program. We'll also have the best team this season. We're the only in state program who is a regular threat to land 5 star talent. Yes, we've had an extremely incompetent administration for 20 years and several awful coaching hires but thankfully those days are over. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 26 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: We're the best program in the state by far. According to Forbes we're the 2nd most valuable program in the nation only slightly behind UK. We have by far the best facilities and the biggest fan base of any instate program. We'll also have the best team this season. We're the only in state program who is a regular threat to land 5 star talent. Yes, we've had an extremely incompetent administration for 20 years and several awful coaching hires but thankfully those days are over. That's great that Forbes has us as 2nd most valuable. But I measure basketball success with wins and losses, and we simply haven't been good for a while. It's pretty simple. Is that changing? We certainly hope so and it appears to be. But until we win, we aren't the best program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 12 minutes ago, ephul said: That's great that Forbes has us as 2nd most valuable. But I measure basketball success with wins and losses, and we simply haven't been good for a while. It's pretty simple. Is that changing? We certainly hope so and it appears to be. But until we win, we aren't the best program. Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, ephul said: That's great that Forbes has us as 2nd most valuable. But I measure basketball success with wins and losses, and we simply haven't been good for a while. It's pretty simple. Is that changing? We certainly hope so and it appears to be. But until we win, we aren't the best program. The vast majority of the college basketball world disagrees with your opinion. But you are entitled to your own views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 55 minutes ago, ephul said: Right now? Not IU. Beginning this season - we are the best in the State and will be for many years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: The vast majority of the college basketball world disagrees with your opinion. But you are entitled to your own views. What do you disagree with? You don't measure success by wins and losses? I don't question whether we are the most profitable. We simply aren't the most successful on the court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said: Beginning this season - we are the best in the State and will be for many years to come. You are right, we should be. But we've got to do it before we crown ourselves as the most successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Butler is the only program in the state that can claim to have had more success than IU in the 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 On 7/28/2018 at 10:45 PM, Calihoosier said: All I know is that this tweet is pure balony IU has had 6 players drafted not 5 since 2005 Gordon, Zeller, Oladipo , Noah Vonleh, Thomas Byrant and OG you would think our rival would do a little research before posting this garbage and that's not even considering the other two undrafted Hoosiers smh. He's referring to only kids who had offers from both schools. Of those 10 kids, only 5 were drafted. Those 5 went to PU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said: Beginning this season - we are the best in the State and will be for many years to come. ...which is why this season cannot get here fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, ephul said: What do you disagree with? You don't measure success by wins and losses? I don't question whether we are the most profitable. We simply aren't the most successful on the court. Mostly recently successful on the court =/= best program By the way...Newman isn't alluding to Butler as the program that IU is behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Mostly recently successful on the court =/= best program By the way...Newman isn't alluding to Butler as the program that IU is behind. Yeah we'll have to agree to disagree. We haven't been consistently good for awhile. If I'm a recruit, of course I pick IU for the facilities, fan base, etc. But in terms of most successful, it hasn't been us. If success wasn't measured by wins and losses, Tom Crean would still be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Just now, ephul said: Yeah we'll have to agree to disagree. We haven't been consistently good for awhile. If I'm a recruit, of course I pick IU for the facilities, fan base, etc. But in terms of most successful, it hasn't been us. If success wasn't measured by wins and losses, Tom Crean would still be here. You are the one that brought the term "successful" into the discussion. The discussion is "best program" not "most successful". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 17 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: Butler is the only program in the state that can claim to have had more success than IU in the 21st century. Purdue has won 368 games since 2000-01 season ND has won 403 games Butler has won 426 games IU has won 343 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomBaby Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 47 minutes ago, ephul said: That's great that Forbes has us as 2nd most valuable. But I measure basketball success with wins and losses, and we simply haven't been good for a while. It's pretty simple. Is that changing? We certainly hope so and it appears to be. But until we win, we aren't the best program. You're living in the past. Come forward to the present; it's a good time in which to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, btownqb said: Purdue has won 368 games since 2000-01 season ND has won 403 games Butler has won 426 games IU has won 343 games Major Conference Championships IU: 3 Purdue: 2 Butler: 0 ND: 0 Final Fours IU: 1 Purdue: 0 Butler: 2 ND: 0 FW is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: You are the one that brought the term "successful" into the discussion. The discussion is "best program" not "most successful". What do you use to define "best program"? Fred Glass agrees in part that it's wins and losses. And that's why he fired Tom Crean. We simply haven't been winning enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, BoomBaby said: You're living in the past. Come forward to the present; it's a good time in which to live. I have no clue what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, ephul said: What do you use to define "best program"? Fred Glass agrees in part that it's wins and losses. And that's why he fired Tom Crean. We simply haven't been winning enough History, prestige, facilities, reputation, fan base, and yes, current success all play a part into who the best program is. To isolate one aspect and use it to say IU isn't the best program is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: History, prestige, facilities, reputation, fan base, and yes, current success all play a part into who the best program is. To isolate one aspect and use it to say IU isn't the best program is just silly. And I'd say 90% of recruits and fans would rank current success as the biggest factor. I don't know about you, but the last 2-3 decades haven't seemed like we have the best program. Hence, losing Indiana recruits, and notoriety for that matter. Again, I agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 minute ago, ephul said: And I'd say 90% of recruits and fans would rank current success as the biggest factor. I don't know about you, but the last 2-3 decades haven't seemed like we have the best program. Hence, losing Indiana recruits, and notoriety for that matter. Again, I agree to disagree. Interesting...what recruits have we lost to in-state programs that we were truly after? Losing recruits to out of state programs is, of course, irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, btownqb said: Purdue has won 368 games since 2000-01 season ND has won 403 games Butler has won 426 games IU has won 343 games What DJ said. No one cares about raw win totals. Would be interesting to see the numbers of wins over ranked teams in that time period though. I would be willing to bet IU has the most, but maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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