dgambill Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, rico said: The Big 12 could take on some ACC schools? That doesn’t benefit the ACC schools to get out of their current contract to go to a worse one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, dgambill said: That doesn’t benefit the ACC schools to get out of their current contract to go to a worse one. If 8 teams want to jump ship then the GOR could be voted out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 18 minutes ago, dgambill said: That doesn’t benefit the ACC schools to get out of their current contract to go to a worse one. What is the Big 12’s money deal at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 minute ago, rico said: What is the Big 12’s money deal at the moment? They don’t have one that I’m aware of. They currently had a deal paying approximately 35 million (similar to ACC). But that was with Oklahoma and Texas who represented half the value of the contract…so with the new schools it’s hard to tell what they will garner. It’s why they now are scrambling to add some PAC 12 schools to help bring up the value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, dgambill said: They don’t have one that I’m aware of. They currently had a deal paying approximately 35 million (similar to ACC). But that was with Oklahoma and Texas who represented half the value of the contract…so with the new schools it’s hard to tell what they will garner. It’s why they now are scrambling to add some PAC 12 schools to help bring up the value. Yeah? So they could add ACC schools as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, rico said: Yeah? So they could add ACC schools as well. Those lesser schools won’t garner a bigger share to each school. If anything they will lower the payout to each school…so it hurts everyone. They are better off sticking out their 35 million per school share then go in together and only getting 25. Schools like Clemson and FSU and Miami etc will go to the SEC meaning the schools left won’t be worth crap. You don’t think IU could garner a tv deal on its own for 100 million….we are only worth that because it means getting Michigan and Ohio St. as part of that contract. If the B1G broke up we would get thrown in the bin just the same as Cal and Baylor and all these others schools had done to them. I guess what I’m trying to say is those lower schools in the ACC won’t be worth 35 million a piece and will hurt the revenue share of everyone…and honestly I would be shocked if the Big12 can get 35 million a share now that Oklahoma and Texas are gone….so I don’t see a majority of ACC schools voting to jump ship for less money in the Big12. Edited July 11, 2022 by dgambill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 SEC hopes to stay at 16 teams The realignment carousel could be coming to an end soon as sources tell Saturday Down South's Matt Hayes that the "preference" from SEC presidents is for the conference stay at 16 teams instead of entertaining expansion moves. Hayes reports that presidents would lean towards staying at 16 teams even if Notre Dame were to join the Big Ten. "The need just isn't there," an SEC athletic director told Hayes. If the SEC plans to stand pat, it could close the door on programs like Oregon, Clemson and Florida State getting into the high-money conferences -- and could be a lifeline for conferences like the Pac-12 and ACC to prevent major attrition. Shehan Jeyarajah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 hour ago, rico said: SEC hopes to stay at 16 teams The realignment carousel could be coming to an end soon as sources tell Saturday Down South's Matt Hayes that the "preference" from SEC presidents is for the conference stay at 16 teams instead of entertaining expansion moves. Hayes reports that presidents would lean towards staying at 16 teams even if Notre Dame were to join the Big Ten. "The need just isn't there," an SEC athletic director told Hayes. If the SEC plans to stand pat, it could close the door on programs like Oregon, Clemson and Florida State getting into the high-money conferences -- and could be a lifeline for conferences like the Pac-12 and ACC to prevent major attrition. Shehan Jeyarajah “The need just isn't there," an SEC athletic director told Hayes. ”and we already have to remove both shoes to count to 16” 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, rico said: SEC hopes to stay at 16 teams The realignment carousel could be coming to an end soon as sources tell Saturday Down South's Matt Hayes that the "preference" from SEC presidents is for the conference stay at 16 teams instead of entertaining expansion moves. Hayes reports that presidents would lean towards staying at 16 teams even if Notre Dame were to join the Big Ten. "The need just isn't there," an SEC athletic director told Hayes. If the SEC plans to stand pat, it could close the door on programs like Oregon, Clemson and Florida State getting into the high-money conferences -- and could be a lifeline for conferences like the Pac-12 and ACC to prevent major attrition. Shehan Jeyarajah I really felt like this will be the case until the ACC is ready to renegotiate their tv deal. Also doesn’t help SEC a lot in poaching ACC teams because they are already in markets that the SEC has media rights in. Cable providers etc already are paying SEC for Florida market and S Carolina and Kentucky so how much more would they pay to get additional teams in those markets? On the other hand for the B1G to dip into the south and add some more markets like North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida for Fox….that might be worth it….down the road. Edited July 12, 2022 by dgambill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 12 hours ago, dgambill said: I really felt like this will be the case until the ACC is ready to renegotiate their tv deal. Also doesn’t help SEC a lot in poaching ACC teams because they are already in markets that the SEC has media rights in. Cable providers etc already are paying SEC for Florida market and S Carolina and Kentucky so how much more would they pay to get additional teams in those markets? On the other hand for the B1G to dip into the south and add some more markets like North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida for Fox….that might be worth it….down the road. Have you given any thought to the possibility that the SEC is more interested in the brand rather than the market? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierinbham Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, rico said: Have you given any thought to the possibility that the SEC is more interested in the brand rather than the market? The SEC will do what ESPN tells them. They're not as worried about markets because ESPN promotes their product (SEC) nationally. Seems like Fox Sports has slowly awoken to the need to function similarly. I just don't believe they have the same control over the B1G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hoosierinbham said: The SEC will do what ESPN tells them. They're not as worried about markets because ESPN promotes their product (SEC) nationally. Seems like Fox Sports has slowly awoken to the need to function similarly. I just don't believe they have the same control over the B1G. Which is why I feel that the SEC "covets" Clemson, Florida St., Miami, and possibly Va Tech. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierinbham Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 53 minutes ago, rico said: Which is why I feel that the SEC "covets" Clemson, Florida St., Miami, and possibly Va Tech. I would think those schools will be "in play" at some point. If the decision is made to go to 2 mega conferences, the SEC makes sense for those schools and the SEC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IUFLA Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, btownqb said: As bad as I hate to say this, IU is historically even worse than Vandy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, btownqb said: That will be the next shoe to drop. There is no way that the teams that drive all of the ratings will continue to allow their conferences to distribute tv revenues equally. If I'm AL, FL, GA, LSU, OK or TX, etc., why should I get the same as Vandy, MS ST, MO, etc. You will see proposals based on ratings or some other formula. What would Vandy, etc do? Leave? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDPU95 Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 minute ago, 13th&Jackson said: That will be the next shoe to drop. There is no way that the teams that drive all of the ratings will continue to allow their conferences to distribute tv revenues equally. If I'm AL, FL, GA, LSU, OK or TX, etc., why should I get the same as Vandy, MS ST, MO, etc. You will see proposals based on ratings or some other formula. What would Vandy, etc do? Leave? This is also why Notre Dame has held on to their independence for so long. Why would they share $$ that they bring in with the likes of IU, Northwestern, any other mediocre to bad program? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, rico said: Have you given any thought to the possibility that the SEC is more interested in the brand rather than the market? Yes…it’s a factor no doubt…but to me the thing driving this bus has been revenue$$ so until I see a team like Stanford or Oregon or OKST get gobbled up to me it’s still about $$. Those schools brands are well and above half the B1G and SEC schools currently in the league. Edited July 12, 2022 by dgambill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 57 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: That will be the next shoe to drop. There is no way that the teams that drive all of the ratings will continue to allow their conferences to distribute tv revenues equally. If I'm AL, FL, GA, LSU, OK or TX, etc., why should I get the same as Vandy, MS ST, MO, etc. You will see proposals based on ratings or some other formula. What would Vandy, etc do? Leave? Possibly…at the very least they could base the payout on how teams finish in the conference. Teams like Kansas and Vanderbilt and IU would be forced to invest money into those programs instead of the rest of the school. That said since there are other sports involved it wouldn’t work. I suppose it’s an even split because it truely is very difficult to measure how many viewers each program is driving between streaming, multiple channels, and the scheduling involved. A team like Illinois might rarely ever get a prime time game scheduled so it’s almost a self fulfilling prophecy that their viewership is lower. Anyways eventually it might just get down to that….heck it might just end up being Alabama, Texas, ND, Mich, OK, OSU, LSU, Florida, GA and PSU setting up their own round Robin playing each other and no one else lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 What goes around, comes around. https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263256073.html 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 37 minutes ago, BruceDouglas said: What goes around, comes around. https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263256073.html Great read. Thanks for sharing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue3542 Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 2 hours ago, 13th&Jackson said: That will be the next shoe to drop. There is no way that the teams that drive all of the ratings will continue to allow their conferences to distribute tv revenues equally. If I'm AL, FL, GA, LSU, OK or TX, etc., why should I get the same as Vandy, MS ST, MO, etc. You will see proposals based on ratings or some other formula. What would Vandy, etc do? Leave? I disagree to an extent; you'll never see a superconference of just those teams. They need programs they can beat on a regular basis that aren't cupcakes but are basically assured wins. Also, even the Alabama's and Ohio State's of the world only have so much leverage, and where are they going to go if they leave their own superconference? The reality is that teams like Vanderbilt, IU, Purdue, etc have gotten lucky that they are in the two conferences driving the superconference wagon. Teams like Wake Forest, Kansas, etc are going to have a rough go of it if this continues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 hour ago, BruceDouglas said: What goes around, comes around. https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263256073.html I saw either on this board or another that it would take 8 schools in the ACC to want out to be able to break the agreement that all the schools agreed to. If that were to happen, I've thought it would be humorous (to me) and appropriate if the former Big East schools drove the breakup of the ACC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 hour ago, BruceDouglas said: What goes around, comes around. https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263256073.html Funny you posted this today. I woke up super early this morning and couldn't get back to sleep, so ended up re-watching the old 30-For-30 on the formation, rise and downfall of the old Big East. It's a fascinating story. I've mentioned this before, but interesting sidenote, Dave Gavitt was my Dad's assistant basketball coach when he was in high school. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 hour ago, rogue3542 said: I disagree to an extent; you'll never see a superconference of just those teams. They need programs they can beat on a regular basis that aren't cupcakes but are basically assured wins. Also, even the Alabama's and Ohio State's of the world only have so much leverage, and where are they going to go if they leave their own superconference? The reality is that teams like Vanderbilt, IU, Purdue, etc have gotten lucky that they are in the two conferences driving the superconference wagon. Teams like Wake Forest, Kansas, etc are going to have a rough go of it if this continues. Not suggesting that the big draws will form a conference of their own, just that they will demand a larger slice of the pie. The weaklings have no leverage to say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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