ephul Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, IUwins0708 said: And yet Swanigan rarely plays in the NBA which was the goal ultimately for a 5 star recruit. And? It can be his goal all he wants it to be, but it's not going to make him a perennial All-Star. He's on an NBA roster playing some minutes. What more do you want Painter to do? His been in the NBA a few years. Why haven't THEY turned him into a starter? Could it be that he got 5 stars because people believed he'd be a successful NCAA player (which he was). Painter is a really good coach that runs a very appealing offense for big men and shooters. Caleb's skill set will work well in Purdue's offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU_Realist Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, IUwins0708 said: 1 NBA player (that doesn’t play much) which like I said all 5 star recruits ultimate goal is. He has had four top 100 bigs. Two were first round draft picks. One is still in college and undersized and most likely not going to be one because of physical limitations. The other is too slow to play in the NBA at size. He has done an amazing job with only four top 100 bigs in his time frame. Just stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said: And yet Swanigan rarely plays in the NBA which was the goal ultimately for a 5 star recruit. And how many 5 stars have failed to be a "star" in the NBA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Both sides of this argument have merit. Painter can and has developed players Painter is not good at putting players in the NBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, IU_Realist said: Now you are just making a crazy argument. College coaches have no impact on how a kid performs once they get in the NBA. Painter helped develop him into a first round draft pick even though he was too short to play PF in the NBA. He got significantly better at Purdue. Swanigan as a frosh, I didn't know how he would turn out and then as a soph, he demolished the B10. His PER was too low for a big. He wasn't ready as a frosh. Productive bigs typically are in the 20 from a PER standpoint. Swanigan was a 15. You really are going to die on this aren't you? I'm just going to say this. Seems like you might be adding more than necessary. Swanigan was a 5 star recruit that if he's lucky will be on a roster next year. Painter gets this rep as some big man developer. He isn't. Shoot...Zeller, Vonleh, Bryant, Morgan.....with the latter being developed into an outside game his senior year. Maybe if Painter was this big man guru he would tell guys like Swanigan (short big man to use your words) to start developing or working on his shot outside 5 feet? I remember Crean running specific looks for Bryant to showcase his improved outside touch. Isn't rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 AJ Hammons-22 games played in his professional career. Can't remember was he a small big man? Or which Painter excuse are we using for him? Trying to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU_Realist Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: I'm just going to say this. Seems like you might be adding more than necessary. Swanigan was a 5 star recruit that if he's lucky will be on a roster next year. Painter gets this rep as some big man developer. He isn't. Shoot...Zeller, Vonleh, Bryant, Morgan.....with the latter being developed into an outside game his senior year. Maybe if Painter was this big man guru he would tell guys like Swanigan (short big man to use your words) to start developing or working on his shot outside 5 feet? I remember Crean running specific looks for Bryant to showcase his improved outside touch. Isn't rocket science. Have you ever watched Swanigan and Purdue especially his sophomore season? I am going to say no from your statements. 70% of his shots were not at the rim as a soph compared to 50% as a frosh. He completely changed his game from frosh to soph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: I'm just going to say this. Seems like you might be adding more than necessary. Swanigan was a 5 star recruit that if he's lucky will be on a roster next year. Painter gets this rep as some big man developer. He isn't. Shoot...Zeller, Vonleh, Bryant, Morgan.....with the latter being developed into an outside game his senior year. Maybe if Painter was this big man guru he would tell guys like Swanigan (short big man to use your words) to start developing or working on his shot outside 5 feet? I remember Crean running specific looks for Bryant to showcase his improved outside touch. Isn't rocket science. I think a lot of the problem is, Painter doesn't run an offense for big men that correlates well to the NBA. Painter likes the bigger, back to the basket guys for his program, and he does really well with them. Unfortunately, the NBA isn't looking for too many guys like that. You better be REALLY big and REALLY good if you are going to survive in the NBA with that kind of skill set. Painter's big men aren't really expected to step out and shoot a jumper either. Another thing needed for the NBA. Painter's big men fare well in college but they lack the skillset needed for the NBA. You can't really blame that on Painter. It's just not the guys he goes after for his system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU_Realist Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Seeking6 said: AJ Hammons-22 games played in his professional career. Can't remember was he a small big man? Or which Painter excuse are we using for him? Trying to keep up. AJ Hammons had some personal problems. He had trouble at Carmel as well. Coaches quit recruiting him in HS and he was suspended multiple times at Purdue. I completely forgot about him. Crean quit recruiting him at a point in time due to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, rico said: And how many 5 stars have failed to be a "star" in the NBA? Several...just look at Duke and Kentucky players..are some of them even on a NBA roster?...where is Okafor,Jabari Parker and all those sure fire 5 star one and done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, IU_Realist said: AJ Hammons had some personal problems. He had trouble at Carmel as well. Coaches quit recruiting him in HS and he was suspended multiple times at Purdue. I completely forgot about him. Crean quit recruiting him at a point in time due to this. Know the family. You don't need to tell me. PS...yes..I've watched Swanigan play too. I've made my points. Painter gets this rep as a guy who develops but he just isn't. Agree to disagree I guess. We'll keep moving on being a realist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU_Realist Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: AJ Hammons-22 games played in his professional career. Can't remember was he a small big man? Or which Painter excuse are we using for him? Trying to keep up. Just to add: "ESPN draft analyst Chad Ford last week said Hammons, if evaluated on talent alone, would be a lottery pick. Yet lingering questions about Hammons' ceiling represent the other half of a "conundrum" that Ford said could push the 23-year-old into the second round." "If I told you every team in the league liked him, that wouldn’t be an exaggeration. They love the skill set. And if I also told you that every team in the league is afraid to take him, that also wouldn’t be an exaggeration." Speaking of the Warriors, another ESPN analyst, Jay Bilas, said Tuesday he believes Hammons could be a possibility for the NBA Finals runner-up with the first round's final pick. He complimented Hammons' face-up shooting, offensive rebounding and rim-protecting defense. And yet ... "The thing I think it comes down to for him is how hard do you think he's going to play and how resolute is he to rev up that motor and really go after people," Bilas said. "He was very productive this year — much more so than he's been in the past. He's long-armed and very talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU_Realist Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, Seeking6 said: Know the family. You don't need to tell me. PS...yes..I've watched Swanigan play too. I've made my points. Painter gets this rep as a guy who develops but he just isn't. Agree to disagree I guess. We'll keep moving on being a realist. No you just blatantly ignore what is staring you directly in your face. Swanigan completely changed his game. It shows in the stats and where he played at from year one to two. Hammons had talent and finally showed it at the end; however, multiple suspensions which were happening in HS as well, lack of motivation, etc. continued to slow him. Scouts have said this all along. Amazing talent because of his shot blocking and ability to score, but the other issues prevented him from ever getting him where many thought he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, IU_Realist said: No you just blatantly ignore what is staring you directly in your face. Cool! I don't agree and the numbers/stats/historical data don't agree as well. Have a good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU_Realist Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, Seeking6 said: Cool! I don't agree and the numbers/stats/historical date don't agree as well. Have a good one! What? His assists went up, his jump shots went up, his shooting percentages went up, his rebound went up, he went from a PER of 15 which isn't good for a big to 26....and the stats don't show it? Wow....talk about blinders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, IU_Realist said: What? His assists went up, his jump shots went up, his shooting percentages went up, his rebound went up, he went from a PER of 15 which isn't good for a big to 26....and the stats don't show it? Wow....talk about blinders. Shots went up=players around him sucked even more. Shooting %'s went up=you can't shoot from the outside so if you want to get drafted shoot from inside 5 feet hence the uptick in % Rebounds went up=bad shooters on team means more boards which can sway stats...Jeffries only averaged 7 boards per game in 02 because our shooters were actually good...less chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 29 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: I'm just going to say this. Seems like you might be adding more than necessary. Swanigan was a 5 star recruit that if he's lucky will be on a roster next year. Painter gets this rep as some big man developer. He isn't. Shoot...Zeller, Vonleh, Bryant, Morgan.....with the latter being developed into an outside game his senior year. Maybe if Painter was this big man guru he would tell guys like Swanigan (short big man to use your words) to start developing or working on his shot outside 5 feet? I remember Crean running specific looks for Bryant to showcase his improved outside touch. Isn't rocket science. Swanigan shot 44% from 3 lol. Even if Haas could shoot 3’s, his game didn’t translate to the NBA. Juwan Morgan? He only shot 29% from 3 last year. Hammons even improved his jumper quite a bit but the guy didn’t have the motor to last in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Shots went up=players around him sucked even more. Shooting %'s went up=you can't shoot from the outside so if you want to get drafted shoot from inside 5 feet hence the uptick in % Rebounds went up=bad shooters on team means more boards which can sway stats...Jeffries only averaged 7 boards per game in 02 because our shooters were actually good...less chances 3-point percentage on that team aside from Swanigan: Vince Edwards- 42% Mathias- 45% Thompson- 40% Cline- 41% Who are these bad shooters you’re referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU_Realist Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 28 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Shots went up=players around him sucked even more. Shooting %'s went up=you can't shoot from the outside so if you want to get drafted shoot from inside 5 feet hence the uptick in % Rebounds went up=bad shooters on team means more boards which can sway stats...Jeffries only averaged 7 boards per game in 02 because our shooters were actually good...less chances WOW..... "Shots went up=players around him sucked even more." They won the B10 that year by two games. Those players really did suck...... "Shooting %'s went up=you can't shoot from the outside so if you want to get drafted shoot from inside 5 feet hence the uptick in %" So he improved.....he improved his 3 pt shooting by 15% points.....He became a lot more efficient hence the significant improvement in his PER. He scored in a lot of different ways and almost doubled his apg....... "Rebounds went up=bad shooters on team means more boards which can sway stats...Jeffries only averaged 7 boards per game in 02 because our shooters were actually good...less chances" Try again.......his Offensive Rebounds only went up 1 per game...his Defensive Rebounds went up 3 per game...... Vince Edwards - 42% from 3 Carson Edwards - 34% from 3 as a frosh Mathias - 45% from 3 Thompson - 40% from 3 Kline 42% from 3.... Overall as a team...41% from 3...... That 23rd ranked offense per Kenpom was really, really struggling....with all those non-shooters....and that #1 B10 team was really struggling lacking the shooting..... Let's look at stuff before we start getting everything wrong.....stats say what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, HoosierJax said: Several...just look at Duke and Kentucky players..are some of them even on a NBA roster?...where is Okafor,Jabari Parker and all those sure fire 5 star one and done They are playing a ton more than any PU big men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 This actually does us a bit of a favor. If he was not looking at IU anyway, we won't waste time recruiting him just so he ends up at another school. (That is not saying...oh, you don't want him. He would be a nice get, but there are several other nice gets in 21 for me to get worked up about Furst.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, IU_Realist said: WOW..... "Shots went up=players around him sucked even more." They won the B10 that year by two games. Those players really did suck...... "Shooting %'s went up=you can't shoot from the outside so if you want to get drafted shoot from inside 5 feet hence the uptick in %" So he improved.....he improved his 3 pt shooting by 15% points.....He became a lot more efficient hence the significant improvement in his PER. He scored in a lot of different ways and almost doubled his apg....... "Rebounds went up=bad shooters on team means more boards which can sway stats...Jeffries only averaged 7 boards per game in 02 because our shooters were actually good...less chances" Try again.......his Offensive Rebounds only went up 1 per game...his Defensive Rebounds went up 3 per game...... Vince Edwards - 42% from 3 Carson Edwards - 34% from 3 as a frosh Mathias - 45% from 3 Thompson - 40% from 3 Kline 42% from 3.... Overall as a team...41% from 3...... That 23rd ranked offense per Kenpom was really, really struggling....with all those non-shooters....and that #1 B10 team was really struggling lacking the shooting..... Let's look at stuff before we start getting everything wrong.....stats say what? Double WOW. Triple Tippecanoe and fun too WOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU_Realist Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, IUwins0708 said: They are playing a ton more than any PU big men. 50% - top 100 bigs....5 stars 1 for 1...or 100% for Purdue.... Duke and Kentucky recruit better than most schools and they are dealing with top 10-20 big man. The only one Purdue got was a 6'8" (actually 6'7") PF who still ended up being a first round draft pick. Purdue does an amazing job developing their bigs and does an amazing job with their top 100 bigs. You guys died on a hill and were proven wrong. Just stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU_Realist Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: Double WOW. Triple Tippecanoe and fun too WOW! Sucks being wrong right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, IU_Realist said: 50% - top 100 bigs....5 stars 1 for 1...or 100% for Purdue.... Duke and Kentucky recruit better than most schools and they are dealing with top 10-20 big man. The only one Purdue got was a 6'8" (actually 6'7") PF who still ended up being a first round draft pick. Purdue does an amazing job developing their bigs and does an amazing job with their top 100 bigs. You guys died on a hill and were proven wrong. Just stop. Ohhhhh kkkkkkkkk..... 🙄🤪. Have a good evening Mrs. Painter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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