FKIM01 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: Yep, which is why I’ve always thought that it’s funny people are so positive Crean was squeaky clean. But DJ is right, Johnson was gone by the time we got Bryant. He left in 2014. I'm still positive Crean was squeaky clean. I've never seen evidence to convince me otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, FKIM01 said: I'm still positive Crean was squeaky clean. I've never seen evidence to convince me otherwise. At the very least, you have to question his judgment for employing Kenny Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: At the very least, you have to question his judgment for employing Kenny Johnson. Well at this point, I certainly do, but misjudging a hire is a lot different than bending/breaking rules. I just don't see Crean as that type of person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: Well at this point, I certainly do, but misjudging a hire is a lot different than bending/breaking rules. I just don't see Crean as that type of person. Was Wooden that type of person? Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 The argument could be made that we've already been punished if Vonleh's recruitment becomes an issue. He stayed one year, the product on the floor was mediocre, and the narrative on the team was that the locker room was dysfunctional. I'd say that we've already suffered enough from Noah's brief IU career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: I'm still positive Crean was squeaky clean. I've never seen evidence to convince me otherwise. I've never seen any evidence either, but the only thing that has ever given me a pause on Crean in terms of that stuff is the MSU game when both Bryant and Thon Maker visited. I think it was Yogi's junior year. We had Colin Hartman playing center, were absolutely on the bubble and were coming off a year where we missed the tournament all together. The Crean critics were getting very vocal and boo's were a regular occurrence at games. Then seemingly out of the blue Maker and Bryant show up for a visit at the same game. Yes, we were recruiting both which wasn't out of the blue, but the visit was. My recollection is that in terms of the media and fans, nobody really knew they were visiting until they showed up at the game. I've always wondered how desperate Crean was at that point, especially to land a big-time big. I'm not trying to make an accusation. I really think Crean was clean, but that one visit has always kind of made me think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopsta007 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Chuck Martin learned from Cal at Memphis I believe. That may be a bad sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, hoopsta007 said: Chuck Martin learned from Cal at Memphis I believe. That may be a bad sign There's enough uncertainty that we should not be crowing until the dust settles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, rico said: Was Wooden that type of person? Just sayin' I think it's pretty well established that Wooden was aware of Sam Gilbert and even told players to stay away. The fact that he didn't go further to stop it tells me that no, he was not that type of person. I have a level of respect for what Wooden accomplished, but it is significantly diminished knowing how he was aided in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 32 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: I'm still positive Crean was squeaky clean. I've never seen evidence to convince me otherwise. Going from Chuck Martin to Kenny Johnson and then landing Vonleh pretty much out of nowhere is more than enough smoke. He was no Pitino, but I would bet he was letting his assistants play the game to a certain extent. Edit: Not to mention the A-Hope stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: Going from Chuck Martin to Kenny Johnson and then landing Vonleh pretty much out of nowhere is more than enough smoke. He was no Pitino, but I would bet he was letting his assistants play the game to a certain extent. Edit: Not to mention the A-Hope stuff. That assumes he knew everything they were doing and that they actually did something wrong. A little smoke does not equal evidence of wrongdoing and there are a lot of coaches I'd say were more likely to have cut corners or knew that their assistants were cutting corners. The worst thing I can come up with that is actual evidence was when Crean had his calendar dates wrong and visited Gary Harris one day out of season, which was immediately reported and dealt with. I just don't see anything beyond conjecture about why a couple of recruits chose IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, hoopsta007 said: Chuck Martin learned from Cal at Memphis I believe. That may be a bad sign Bruiser Flint was an assistant for J. Calipari a UMASS from 89-96 and became HC at UMASS after CP left. Ed Schilling was also an assistant for JP at UMASS when they went to the FF, and he coached for him in the NBA. He also has significant involvement with Adidas in the past. I'm not saying there's anything there as these guys seem clean to me. But there are all kinds of these kinds of ties in CBB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosiertildeath Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 I despise the memory of John Wooden !! He coached forever without winning an NCAA Tournament Championship UNTIL SAM GILBERT STARTED BUYING PLAYERS FOR PUDDIN HEAD WOODEN !!! Wooden knew that B.S. was going on [with mobster tied Gilbert] and did absolutely nothing to stop it !! Wooden was as GUILTY AS SIN ,imho !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: That assumes he knew everything they were doing and that they actually did something wrong. A little smoke does not equal evidence of wrongdoing and there are a lot of coaches I'd say were more likely to have cut corners or knew that their assistants were cutting corners. The worst thing I can come up with that is actual evidence was when Crean had his calendar dates wrong and visited Gary Harris one day out of season, which was immediately reported and dealt with. I just don't see anything beyond conjecture about why a couple of recruits chose IU. A college basketball coach knows everything that’s going on in his program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: A college basketball coach knows everything that’s going on in his program. Insert "SHOULD" and I'll agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 If Crean actually knew everything about his program, he sure wouldn't have sent Roshown McLeod to do Kyrie Irving's in-home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Yahoo Sports just tweeted out that Hall of Fame Coaches, Top Programs, Lottery Picks,etc....said the sport of college basketball will significantly altered. As long as Kentucky, Carolina, Duke, Kansas, and maybe Sparty are hit...I'm good with the rest getting a pass. As it relates to IU. We've had 2 lottery picks (Zeller and Oladipo) in recent years. We have't had a HOF coach in 18 years. And we haven't been on top of the sport in years (minus two runs during Crean time). I think we are clear. Haha.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy River Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: A college basketball coach knows everything that’s going on in his program. Just like every parent knows everything the teenager that lives under their roof does, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Muddy River said: Just like every parent knows everything the teenager that lives under their roof does, right? But, but it's different....hahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 A few more thoughts about Vonleh...IU had a high profile center in Zeller during Vonleh's recruitment and they played an exciting style of ball. I think what got his attention with IU was that IU was the first program that recruited him for a year earlier, which got Noah to the pros a year earlier. Maybe shenanigans happened...I can't say they did or didn't. I just see Crean as a very clean coach who backed away from more than one dirty recruitment (see Lyles, Trey and Lyle, JaQuan) and I think there were several compelling reasons for Noah Vonleh to go to IU besides something dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 6 hours ago, Jerry Lundergaard said: The argument could be made that we've already been punished if Vonleh's recruitment becomes an issue. He stayed one year, the product on the floor was mediocre, and the narrative on the team was that the locker room was dysfunctional. I'd say that we've already suffered enough from Noah's brief IU career To that brother, I say a big AMEN!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 29 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: A few more thoughts about Vonleh...IU had a high profile center in Zeller during Vonleh's recruitment and they played an exciting style of ball. I think what got his attention with IU was that IU was the first program that recruited him for a year earlier, which got Noah to the pros a year earlier. Maybe shenanigans happened...I can't say they did or didn't. I just see Crean as a very clean coach who backed away from more than one dirty recruitment (see Lyles, Trey and Lyle, JaQuan) and I think there were several compelling reasons for Noah Vonleh to go to IU besides something dirty. Corect me if I'm wrong but it seems I remember Crean even mentioning something along the lines of he wasn't playing those games (in regards to recruiting certain players)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: Yahoo Sports just tweeted out that Hall of Fame Coaches, Top Programs, Lottery Picks,etc....said the sport of college basketball will significantly altered. As long as Kentucky, Carolina, Duke, Kansas, and maybe Sparty are hit...I'm good with the rest getting a pass. As it relates to IU. We've had 2 lottery picks (Zeller and Oladipo) in recent years. We have't had a HOF coach in 18 years. And we haven't been on top of the sport in years (minus two runs during Crean time). I think we are clear. Haha.. I think you buried the lede. may affect THIS YEAR’S tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 7 hours ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: At the very least, you have to question his judgment for employing Kenny Johnson. Kenny left IU for UL because Rick would let him do things Crean would not. I woulf bet Bluegrass' s last tooth that Crean was clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, 5fouls said: Kenny left IU for UL because Rick would let him do things Crean would not. I woulf bet Bluegrass' s last tooth that Crean was clean. Very valid possibility to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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