IU Scott Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Seeking6 said: I can go for as many rounds as you want. Bo wanted Diamond Stone. You think he was in the game that late with him not being willing to play it? Numerous examples of Bo...for some reason he gets a pass. We are mentioned in one meaningless statement and we want to blow up the program. Some of you guys...... I am just saying if it comes out that we did cheat the yes people need to be fired. If nothing comes from this which I really hope then we can move on. What makes me upset is how many of this fan base doesn't care if we cheat to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I am just saying if it comes out that we did cheat the yes people need to be fired. If nothing comes from this which I really hope then we can move on. What makes me upset is how many of this fan base doesn't care if we cheat to win. A lot of the fan base - myself included - is tired of people having their feathers ruffled from stuff so minor yet people make a mountain out of it to the point of wanting to gut our coaching staff (one that is finally good), when so many other schools stick by their coaches who have ACTUALLY done things and it is not heresay. Kansas, Miami, Duke, ASU, hell even UK have all been mentioned at one point or another. Let’s not forget that Bam Abedayo was offered benefits to go to NSCU, but instead he chose UK? Hmmmm. Similar to Zion and Duke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Not with fans like you but it use to be that way and I will never apologize for wanting IU to stay clean. You really think RMK would go out of his way to rip Lou Henson or John Wooden or UM about them cheating if he thought IU had cheated through those years. He would have stayed quit if he knew IU was cheating because he would not want people to bring out what IU were doing/ Have you heard anything K, Cal, Roy, Izzo, Pitino, etc., have said about this scandal? All those guys have cheated, and none of them has stayed quiet. As a group, college basketball coaches are overwhelmingly narcissistic scumbags — Knight one of the biggest of them all. They’re not worried about looking like hypocrites because they (mostly rightly) think they’re above it all. And from your last post, it seems like you’re just fine with cheating as long as we don’t get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Not with fans like you but it use to be that way and I will never apologize for wanting IU to stay clean. You really think RMK would go out of his way to rip Lou Henson or John Wooden or UM about them cheating if he thought IU had cheated through those years. He would have stayed quit if he knew IU was cheating because he would not want people to bring out what IU were doing/ Here's the best thing about Knight. He shielded IU from cheating for 30 years. He could call those other programs out every single day because he knew and they knew he was clean. Used to tick the others off so much because they were cheating and still couldn't beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 On another note: I just searched Tom Ostrom on twitter and literally his name was only mentioned 3 times in the whole twitterverse (millions of people) and they were casual fans. This is a non story. We are - myself included - are the only people talking about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosier10 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said: On another note: I just searched Tom Ostrom on twitter and literally his name was only mentioned 3 times in the whole twitterverse (millions of people) and they were casual fans. This is a non story. We are - myself included - are the only people talking about this. Dakich wanted a rise and he got it. Amazing how gullible some are to his BS. This is an absolute non-story. We’re finally recruiting like an elite program. Just playing the game you have to play. On another note, Scott your persistent quest for righteousness and purity wears me out- you seem fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonialcrester Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 No personal attacks here guys! This is always a tread lightly subject so please be nice to each other! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieBall13 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 51 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I am just saying if it comes out that we did cheat the yes people need to be fired. If nothing comes from this which I really hope then we can move on. What makes me upset is how many of this fan base doesn't care if we cheat to win. I've read through the volumes of posts. Scott I admire your effort to stand up for what you believe is right...as someone somewhat new to the business world, there has definitely been a depressing learning curve to understand some business people's intentions are not always ethical. As for does IU cheat or not? I honestly don't put a lot of moral blame in the universities, coaches, etc. It's been mentioned a couple times, but the people you should direct your anger to lies solely with the NCAA. There are actionable steps they could easily take to mitigate some of these problems but they don't seem to care. The governing body that is setting up these rules is corrupt for one reason or another and thus why I don't get bent out of shape if these "rules" are broken. Now if the NCAA ever becomes a respectable entity again, then my tune changes. But for now, I can only assign blame to the NCAA for these unaddressed issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUDan93 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 IU Scott is a very passionate fan, and though I don't always have the same conclusion as he, I like that he shares it. As long as he, or anybody, doesn't attack people personally, I do not tire of reading his views. If I don't like what I read, I can always get off my laptop and go back to my workshop and continue making my guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BENDOVER Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 3 hours ago, IU Scott said: My question to everyone is do you care if IU bends or even break the rules if it means us winning. Everyone knows my views on this but was wondering what others thinks. Ethically, I don't have a problem with players being paid. I have a problem with NCAA's rules on payment of players. We could get deep into this argument, so I'll be brief. Relevant athletes generate BIG money, and those athletes are disproportionately compensated (and I am accounting for scholarship, exposure, coaching, etc). The rules are created and held in place so the NCAA can keep their tax-exempt status, not because they believe in the romantic idea of the Student-Athlete. What I want, as a fan, is a team with players who represent my university well and compete for championships. Players like Vic and Cody prove you can still make those two things happen. My problem with schools like UK, UNC, Kansas, etc., isn't that they "broke" the rules. How they "broke" the rules is what bugs me. They've shown that winning is the only thing that matters and that the "student" aspect only matters in terms of eligibility. I'm okay with IU paying a player like Vic or Cody. I'm not okay with IU recruiting/allowing criminals on the team or creating bs classes specifically made to increase athletes GPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Hoosier987 said: On another note: I just searched Tom Ostrom on twitter and literally his name was only mentioned 3 times in the whole twitterverse (millions of people) and they were casual fans. This is a non story. We are - myself included - are the only people talking about this. Bingo. No one is talking about it. It's non issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 36 minutes ago, Colonialcrester said: No personal attacks here guys! This is always a tread lightly subject so please be nice to each other! And some people call Bruce Springsteen the 'Boss'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BENDOVER Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: You don't think Bo Ryan was gray? Haha...he had an open relationship with another woman (besides his wife) for years in public. Didn't care. I can assure you Bo skirted the rules. Piggybacking off this to show that I think the sleaziness associated with rule-breaking is what most of our fanbase wants to stay clear of. Paying players technically breaks the rules, but it doesn't necessarily mean a coach is immoral or sleazy if it happens. Just means they broke a bs rule that no one is following anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 5:36 PM, bluegrassIU said: As much as this is a negative topic, I have to say I am totally enthralled reading the passionate and respectful back and forth. Thanks guys, this really is good reading and thought out positions. This is probably because I haven't been participating in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 I think with the all the "sanctimony" aside.....I truly believe we are seeing the end to the big "cash cow" we call the NCAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUwins0708 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 hours ago, rico said: Thats one.....but I know they were dirty Butler wasn’t dirty. Notre Dame, Stanford, Northwestern, plenty of schools that are clean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said: Well, I know Butler and Notre Dame have transgressions.........first hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, KoB2011 said: This is probably because I haven't been participating in this one. Don’t worry, I’m sure I’ve been acting like enough of an a hole to cover both of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 This appears to be Dakich and his merry band of Alford lovers running a smear campaign against Archie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: This appears to be Dakich and his merry band of Alford lovers running a smear campaign against Archie. There's a a merry band of Alford lovers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, rico said: There's a a merry band of Alford lovers? Yes, a fringe group that wanted him to be our next head coach and are now pissed they didn’t get their way and are taking it out on Archie. Including Dakich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Yes, a fringe group that wanted him to be our next head coach and are now pissed they didn’t get their way and are taking it out on Archie. Including Dakich. Do they run around in tights and play flutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, rico said: There's a a merry band of Alford lovers? Yes much like the merry band of Crean lovers who were until 2 years ago all over this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, rico said: Do they run around in tights and play flutes? Photo of Dakich thinking about playing the flute while he checks out Stevie in his short-shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Ballin Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Photo of Dakich thinking about playing the flute while he checks out Stevie in his short-shorts. Lets be honest....he was, is and wil always be checking out Alford's hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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