FW_Hoosier Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, BGleas said: You don't think elite, 5* big men get paid by shoe companies? We have testimony under oath that De Sousa got $60k from Under Armour and then had to pay it back because Adidas/KU outbid them, and he's was ranked somewhere in the 30's or 40's. I never even heard of him until last year during the season when all this started coming out, and he got that much money? We know Deandre Ayton got 6 figures. Joel Embiid just signed a huge deal with Under Armour. If you're a high-level recruit, regardless of position, you can get paid. I don't know if Bryant took money or not, but you have to have your head buried in the sand if you don't think he could have if he wanted to. As far as Bryant on the court, not sure what you mean by 'no outside game'? His most attractive quality as a player is that he's a center that can spread the floor. He shot 38% from 3 his sophomore year and last year in the G-League, from NBA range, shot 36%. As I've said numerous times, I don't think Tom Crean paid anyone personally. I don't think he ever signed off on anyone getting paid. I think he had recruits that got paid and tried to get other recruits that got paid. I think Maker being as interested as he appeared to be in IU was due to his Adidas ties and I'm sure he got paid by Adidas. I don't know how he ended up at that game vs. MSU, but I think Adidas was involved in that. Again, that doesn't mean Tom Crean called and said "pay him what you have to to get him on campus", it just means that I don't think he's at IU that day without Adidas' involvement and probably in some way IU letting them know they wanted him there. Right on cue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePaulieWalnuts Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: Right on cue: 😐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: Right on cue: Yup - not surprised. Anyways, the old coaching regime is gone now (thank god), and if they do find any wrong doing from Crean (big if) - maybe we get wins vacated? (won't be that much anyways)...it doesn't impact the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ThePaulieWalnuts said: 😐 1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said: Yup - not surprised. Anyways, the old coaching regime is gone now (thank god), and if they do find any wrong doing from Crean (big if) - maybe we get wins vacated? (won't be that much anyways)...it doesn't impact the present. Absolutely nothing is going to come from this. That testimony proves nothing, and it’s highly unlikely that Crean was directly involved with any major rule violations. But anyone who doesn’t think he was involved in ANY shady recruiting shenanigans is being willfully ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 Just now, FW_Hoosier said: Absolutely nothing is going to come from this. That testimony proves nothing, and it’s highly unlikely that Crean was directly involved with any major rule violations. But anyone who doesn’t think he was involved in ANY shady recruiting shenanigans is being willfully ignorant. Completely agree with you. Naive for those that think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, FW_Hoosier said: Absolutely nothing is going to come from this. That testimony proves nothing, and it’s highly unlikely that Crean was directly involved with any major rule violations. But anyone who doesn’t think he was involved in ANY shady recruiting shenanigans is being willfully ignorant. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 As much as this is a negative topic, I have to say I am totally enthralled reading the passionate and respectful back and forth. Thanks guys, this really is good reading and thought out positions. THIS is why I love this place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 Anyone see Brad Underwood reaction when a reporter asked about his relationship with Lamont Evans today at Big 10 Media Day? Makes Mr. Bean look like a wordsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Hoosierhoopster said: So you say I'm being naive, while I would say you're being pessimistic. vbg. I'm not trying to tell you what to think, Gleas, it's fair to take your position, I just disagree, and believe that, as reflected above, your belief is not supported by any evidence, it's all conjecture based on the "level of" these recruits. Might there be some payment from Adidas folks that helped get Thon to visit IU? Who knows. So far there is zero evidence of that, and, regardless, that wouldn't make Crean/IU complicit. I'm not being pessimistic at all. I believe Tom Crean is one of the cleanest coaches at this level, I've said that so many times in this thread you'd think my keyboard would be worn out. I'm being realistic based on the players (specifically Maker) we're discussing, the atmosphere around Crean/IU at the time, the apparent abruptness of the visits, and what we now know about the atmosphere of college basketball at the time. We know that numerous players were getting 10's of thousands of dollars simply for introductions to shoe companies, let alone actually attending their schools. We know some guys got six figures. We know Adidas was one of the culprits. We know Kenny Johnson, while not an IU assistant during this Maker/Bryant visit, was accused under oath of being one of four people to be aware of the $100,000 to Bowen's father (Gassnola also testified that Pitino didn't know), and that he actually directly handed over cash to Bowen's father. So no, I don't have any direct evidence, and I'll repeat again that I don't think Tom Crean is dirty and I think he was as clean as you can be, but I also think he was pretty desperate at that time and that Adidas played a role in specifically Maker, and potentially Bryant, making that visit. To what extent Crean knew or had anything to do with it, I have no idea, and I'd guess not much if at all, but I don't think Maker made that unofficial visit out of his own pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 Adidas pays me NOT to wear their shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Adidas pays me NOT to wear their shoes. I have no brand loyalty. As I type I'm wearing New Balance shoes, Puma socks, Nike shorts, and an Adidas IU Tshirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: Adidas pays me NOT to wear their shoes. I was rocking Under Armour sneaks, Puma socks and Nike shorts the other thinking I’d start a bidding war. Still waiting for the offers to roll in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, BGleas said: I was rocking Under Armour sneaks, Puma socks and Nike shorts the other thinking I’d start a bidding war. Still waiting for the offers to roll in. You’re like 6’6 right? That’s gotta be worth $50 at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, FW_Hoosier said: You’re like 6’6 right? That’s gotta be worth $50 at least. Yup, 6’6”. These brands are missing out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwtaylor1055 Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 Tom Crean hugged someone, who cares if he hugged this guy or shook his hand during an introduction between the two. Yes IU is an Adidas school but come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, dwtaylor1055 said: Tom Crean hugged someone, who cares if he hugged this guy or shook his hand during an introduction between the two. Yes IU is an Adidas school but come on. It wasn't the hug that was troubling. It was when he whispered in his ear and said "I've been thinking about you.....a lot". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 I still remain unconcerned. We all know that the shoe companies get involved with these kids early. The NCAA has known that for years and turned a blind eye to it because they are making billions off the arrangement. As long as an Indiana coach was not handing money over to a kid, I don't give a crap anymore what the shoe companies did. If Creighton was getting into this, everyone is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 Easy to be flippant about all this (I definitely am), but this is pretty sobering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/texts-between-kansas-coach-bill-self-and-ex-adidas-rep-show-how-high-level-college-basketball-recruiting-works/ K is scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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addictedtoIU Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Why were these coaches even on recruiting trips sitting on stands to watch AAU games? All they needed to do was to call the shoe company bag men and tell them who they wanted for next season. BTW, I really want someone to uncover the Anthony Davis deal and make UK's banner to come down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/12/2018 at 8:09 AM, dwtaylor1055 said: Tom Crean hugged someone, who cares if he hugged this guy or shook his hand during an introduction between the two. Yes IU is an Adidas school but come on. If Crean was cheating, he wasnt very good at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach1K Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, FW_Hoosier said: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/texts-between-kansas-coach-bill-self-and-ex-adidas-rep-show-how-high-level-college-basketball-recruiting-works/ K is scum. My uncle and my father call them the mafia so The Godfather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/texts-between-kansas-coach-bill-self-and-ex-adidas-rep-show-how-high-level-college-basketball-recruiting-works/ K is scum. Not happening my @ss. It's not happening because of the FBI. No respect for K anymore. He's a sellout. ...and a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 28 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: Not happening my @ss. It's not happening because of the FBI. No respect for K anymore. He's a sellout. ...and a liar. Considering where he came from and his coaching path, screw him. He will likely be considered the best of all time. Who mentored him and when did he start cheating? 1992? Coach K is a POS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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