thirdgenhoosier Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 many IU fans had Tony Bennett on their wish list for new HC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leathernecks Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 I had a detailed post on the old board about how bad he is in the tourney. I'll try to fire it up again tomorrow and add this beat down to it. At least his system is fun to watch...if you're a UMBC fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yeah... Still would have been a good hire regardless of a bad loss in the first round of a tournament. One game does not a coach make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdgenhoosier Posted March 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, madmax said: Yeah... Still would have been a good hire regardless of a bad loss in the first round of a tournament. One game does not a coach make. It's an early exit every single year for Virginia. And after the way IU fans reacted toward Crean after we lost to Syracuse I can only imagine what it would be like had that been us tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno6284 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, madmax said: Yeah... Still would have been a good hire regardless of a bad loss in the first round of a tournament. One game does not a coach make. No kidding, I can't believe the knee-jerk reactions. Tony admitted they got their asses kicked. I guess RMK was a horrible coach for losing to Cleveland St.? At least we don't ever have to worry about being that first 1 seed to lose to a 16 seed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 I said this in the ncaa thread, but that game reminded me too much of our losses to isu and Fort Wayne using the same philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, thirdgenhoosier said: It's an early exit every single year for Virginia. And after the way IU fans reacted toward Crean after we lost to Syracuse I can only imagine what it would be like had that been us tonight. Of course, there's the fact that UVA actually was in the tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 He's lost 33 games total over the past 5 years at VA. 5 tourney appearances. 1 Elite 8 and 1 Sweet 16. Obviously not a lot of tournament success thus far, but I believe he'll get there eventually. IU has lost over double the amount of games over the past 5 years and missed the tournament 3 times. I'm glad we got Archie, but Tony wouldn't have been a bad hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 I don't see how this is a coaching error. It is the first time a #16 seed has beat a #1. It was bound to happen eventually but could you ever imagine it would be by 20 pts? UVA just got owned and the fault lies with the guys playing the game. Its unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leathernecks Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, madmax said: One game does not a coach make. Very true. However, there's a pretty clear trend at this time. Not saying it couldn't change in the future, but it is really bad right now. Really, really bad. In the last 5 years, he's had his team seeded 1, 2, 1, 5, and 1 (which is really impressive) and is a combined 7-5. He has one Elite 8 in that span and has lost teams seeded 4 (twice), 7, 10, and 16. It seems like his slow style of basketball doesn't translate well to the tourney. As a 1 or 2 seed, he's lost to a 4, 7, 10, and 16. That's a disaster. He has never beaten a team seeded higher than him, and has lost to (much) lower seeded teams 4 of the last 5 tournaments. To make it easier to see, here are the teams he's lost to (his seed in parenthesis) 2018 - 16 (1) 2017 - 4 (5) 2016 - 10 (1) 2015 - 7 (2) 2014 - 4 (1) 2012 - 7 (10) 2008 - 1 (4) 2007 - 3 (6) Bennett is 10-8 in the tourney, and here are the seeds he's beaten (his seed in parenthesis): 4 (1) 5 (4) 8 (1) 9 (1) 12 (5) 13 (4) 14 (3) 15 (2) 16 (1) 16 (1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leathernecks Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 After looking at the stats I just posted, I'm an idiot for not predicting this. The trend was clear. 2014 - 1 seed - lost to 4 seed 2016 - 1 seed - lost to 10 seed 2018 - 1 seed - lost to 16 seed 2020 - 1 seed - lose to 22 seed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: I said this in the ncaa thread, but that game reminded me too much of our losses to isu and Fort Wayne using the same philosophy. I think Archie coaches a much more aggressive transition offense than Bennett does. I also think Archie may be able to get better athletes at IU than Bennett can land at UVA. UVA really wasn’t that talented this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazin Hazin Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 His father used to suck pretty bad in the tourney too....and considered retiring because it. Then he took Wisconsin as an 8 seed to the final four. On a side note- a clear trend has emerged...the curse of the frequently-discussed-replacement-for-Crean. Greg Marshall? Tony Bennett? Sean Miller? Steve Alford? If you were a popular name for the IU job, yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 While one game does not define a coach... this one game will go down in history : First coach of a number one seed, to have ever lost to a sixteen seed. Etched in stone, and forever in the history of college basketball. Rare that JUST one game earns a Wiki recognition. 1982 Virginia vs. Chaminade men's basketball game - Wikipedia For that matter. The University of Virginia now OWNS the two greatest upset losses in the history of college basketball. What once was the loss of a number one team, headed by Ralph Sampson, to Chaminade......... now has been replaced by the first number one seed to lose to a sixteen seed. In terms of Tony Bennett..... he WAS offered the job at IU. Turned it down for two reasons. One..... felt he was not up to fixing the project, left behind by Sampson. And two.... resented the fact that his sister had been fired by IU. Great coach, but will go down in history for multiple reasons..... all of which are not positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierfan615 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: I think Archie coaches a much more aggressive transition offense than Bennett does. I also think Archie may be able to get better athletes at IU than Bennett can land at UVA. UVA really wasn’t that talented this year. I totally agree! Archie’s schemes got us a lot of open looks, we just didn’t have the shooters to take advantage of them...but we will next year!! and the team will be more comfortable with the defense as well. Go Hoosiers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 It's just one game but i don't know how anyone can say that there isn't a clear trend of Bennett's system not translating well to the tourney. I really like Bennett but there is no way i would trade Archie for him at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 And people complained when Crean flamed out in the Sweet 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierBGH Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 hours ago, thirdgenhoosier said: It's an early exit every single year for Virginia. And after the way IU fans reacted toward Crean after we lost to Syracuse I can only imagine what it would be like had that been us tonight. Yes, I'm not sure why everyone is always so willing to make excuses for Bennett. Not only do his teams flame out in the tournament every year but it took him 3 years to get Virginia into the tournament and he started with a much better and more complete roster than he would have had if he had taken the IU job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierBGH Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: I think Archie coaches a much more aggressive transition offense than Bennett does. I also think Archie may be able to get better athletes at IU than Bennett can land at UVA. UVA really wasn’t that talented this year. More aggressive transition offense with better athletes? That would be Arizona and their tournament record is certainly better but not exactly great either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leathernecks Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 On a positive note, last year Virginia lost to Florida by 26, so they're improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 I don't know if it is true or not but heard that UMBC had never beat a ranked opponent in their history. And I myself, am starting to get worried about this pack line defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, hoosierBGH said: More aggressive transition offense with better athletes? That would be Arizona and their tournament record is certainly better but not exactly great either. You have a point. Might be fair to argue that the similar systems run by the Bennett and the Miller brothers may be prone to tournament flameouts. Zona and UVA both got destroyed in the first round, and IU is coming off its own first round tournament upset at the hands of 14 seed Rutgers... But I don’t really have any idea how similar their systems actually are. And bad breaks do happen in the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, rico said: I don't know if it is true or not but heard that UMBC had never beat a ranked opponent in their history. And I myself, am starting to get worried about this pack line defense. Nebraska is the only power 5 school they had ever won against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Pack line is geared to force teams to beat you with the 3. In all of tbe losses UVA gave up 8 or more 3's. In 31 victories less than 8. With the slow tempo it puts more pressure on them to score and if behind its too difficult to come pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: You have a point. Might be fair to argue that the similar systems run by the Bennett and the Miller brothers may be prone to tournament flameouts. Zona and UVA both got destroyed in the first round, and IU is coming off its own first round tournament upset at the hands of 14 seed Rutgers... But I don’t really have any idea how similar their systems actually are. And bad breaks do happen in the tournament. Zona and UVA won their conference tournaments? Didn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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