tdhoosier Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 It's really not that debatable, the B1G was down this year - only 4 teams made it to the NCAA's. Of those top 4 teams: 1. MSU is losing Jackson and Bridges. They have a good class coming in next year, but I don't think they'll be as good as this year. And who knows if any of their off the court issues will come back to haunt them. 2. OSU is losing Tate, Wlliams, Dakich and possibly Bates-Diop. 3. PU is out Matias, V. Edwards, Haas, Thompson. 4. UM has no major departures anticipated other than Abdul-Rahkman Other than UM I don't see any of the teams being significantly better next year than they were this year. The rest of the league is catching up, but to what degree? I have to think 5.Nebraska, 6.IU 7.Penn St. 8. Maryland and 9. Wisconsin will all be better and much more competitive. I can see next year playing out the opposite of this year. No clear national top 10 teams, but a very competitive 8 teams that will hover around 20-50ish in their national rankings. Anybody have any thoughts? (my answers in parentheses) Who has potential to be a national top 10 team? (UM, MSU?) What teams do you think will take a major jump? (IU w/ Romeo, Maryland, Wisconsin, IL?) What teams do you think will fall? (Purdue and OSU if they lose Bates-Diop) How many teams make the dance next year? (6) Any teams I didn't mention worth talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 PSU has everybody back next year. I'm not sure whether any of their players will enter the draft, but they should be very good next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 I think the potential big jump teams will be IU (assuming Langford), Maryland (if Fernando stays and a healthy Jackson) and Penn State (if Carr, Stephens and Watkins all stay). MSU could actually end up being better. Obviously Bridges and Jackson are great players, but them leaving might allow the backcourt of Winston and Langford to shine and for more defined roles for the other guys. Super early obviously, but those are some early thoughts. I think Maryland will be really dangerous if everyone comes back. Covan and Huerter are legit, and they probably would have been a tourney team if Justin Jackson didn't get heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Good questions. I agree with most of what you said TDH. I see a bit of a rotation among the top teams and hope that IU can take advantage of that and then maintain. I'm not so sold on WI and IL taking a major jump. Nationally, I think the conference will still be a down - perhaps comparable to this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, slojoe said: PSU has everybody back next year. I'm not sure whether any of their players will enter the draft, but they should be very good next year. I thought the same thing, but then thought ‘well, they are Penn st.’ Haha. I just have a hard time predicting them to finish above 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, tdhoosier said: I thought the same thing, but then thought ‘well, they are Penn st.’ Haha. I just have a hard time predicting them to finish above 6th. While they don't have the talent of MSU, IU and some others, they do have experience. Combined with losses from OSU, PU, I could seem them challenging for fourth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 58 minutes ago, Reacher said: While they don't have the talent of MSU, IU and some others, they do have experience. Combined with losses from OSU, PU, I could seem them challenging for fourth. I would say they have the talent, just maybe not the depth. Carr is as good as any guard in the conference, Stephens is one of the top forwards and Watkins, when not in foul trouble or disappearing, is a legit big. Those three might be as good as any trio in the conference next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 53 minutes ago, Reacher said: While they don't have the talent of MSU, IU and some others, they do have experience. Combined with losses from OSU, PU, I could seem them challenging for fourth. What I meant by that is...I'm not sure Penn St. has overachieved since the turn of the century. Last year might be the closest example to at least meeting higher expectations....and they still didn't make the tournament. There have been times in the last 18 years where, on paper, it looks like they might be good and then they come out and play......well....like a Penn State team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Could be more early entrants out of the Big Ten than in years past. Jackson and Bridges are gone for sure, and I think Bates-Diop will go. All three are being projected in the first round. Carr and Wagner are also being projected to be drafted, so I bet they decide to leave as well. Then you have other borderline guys like Juwan who may decide to go, but I think that’s less likely. I would bet that the preseason favorite next year will be UM, but I don’t think the conference will be very good again. Like the OP said, maybe fewer teams at the top, but deeper throughout the conference. IU should have another opportunity to compete at the top of the conference, let’s hope they can break through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, BGleas said: Super early obviously, but those are some early thoughts. I think Maryland will be really dangerous if everyone comes back. Covan and Huerter are legit, and they probably would have been a tourney team if Justin Jackson didn't get heard. What did Jackson say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: What did Jackson say? I think he tried to give Turgeon some X’s and O’s advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: What did Jackson say? That Jim Calhoun’s health is the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Michigan should be tops in the conference. MSU is always there (unless Izzo is done). Purdue will take a big step back. Our situation is very fluid. If we have both Morgan and Romeo we should be really good. If we have neither, we’ll have more of this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Michigan should be tops in the conference. MSU is always there (unless Izzo is done). Purdue will take a big step back. Our situation is very fluid. If we have both Morgan and Romeo we should be really good. If we have neither, we’ll have more of this year. How big do you anticipate for Purdue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 The league will be wide open. And we can be right in the middle of it. I do know one thing. Illinois is gonna suck. Don't put that on the internet. Bruce Weber: 'Indiana Will Suck' 10 years later..... Bruce. And we still have not forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUaic Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Stole this from the Illini Board, some of it has players turning pro assumptions: MICHIGAN ST. Losing: Miles Bridges (So G/F) 17.1 ppg 6.8 rpg 2.8 apg Jaren Jackson Jr. (Fr F) 11.4 ppg 5.8 rpg 1.2apg 'Tum Tum' Nairn (Sr G) 2.0 ppg 1.0 rpg 3.2 apg Gavin Schilling (Sr F) 3.3 ppg 3.7 rpg 0.4 apg Adding: Marcus Bingham Jr. 4* PF Foster Loyer 4* PG Gabe Brown 4* SF Aaron Henry 3* SF Thomas Kithier 3* PF PURDUE Losing: Isaac Haas (Sr C) 14.8 ppg 5.9 rpg 0.8 apg Vincent Edwards (Sr F) 14.9 ppg 7.8 rpg 3.0 apg Dakota Mathias (Sr G) 11.9 ppg 3.9 rpg 4.3 apg PJ Thompson (Sr G) 7.5 ppg 1.8 rpg 1.8 apg Adding: Trevion Williams 3* C Eric Hunter 3* SG Emmanuel Dowuona 3* C OHIO ST Losing: Jae'Sean Tate (Sr F) 12.6 ppg 6.2 rpg 2.9 apg Kam Williams (Sr G) 7.9 ppg 2.0 rpg 0.6 apg Keita Bates-Diop (Jr F) 19.0 ppg 8.7 rpg 1.6 apg Adding: Luther Muhammad 4* SG Jaedon LeDee 4* PF Duane Washington 3* G Justin Ahrens 3* SF MICHIGAN Losing: Jaaron Simmons (Gr G) 1.5 ppg 0.7 rpg 1.3 apg Muhammad-Ali Abdur-Rahkman (Sr G) 11.8 ppg 3.8 rpg 3.3 apg Duncan Robinson (Sr G/F) 9.4 ppg 2.4 rpg 1.2 apg Moritz Wagner (Jr F) 14.6 ppg 7.3 rpg 0.7 apg Adding: Brandon Johns 4* PF Ignas Brazdeikis 4* SF David DeJulius 3* PG Colin Castleton 3* PF Adrien Nunez 3* SG NEBRASKA Losing: Duby Okeke (Sr C) 0.8 ppg 1.8 rpg 0.1 apg Malcolm Laws (Sr G) 0.3 ppg 0 rpg 0 apg Evan Taylor (Sr G) 6.6 ppg 3.4 rpg 2.3 apg Anton Gill (Sr G) 8.1 ppg 1.8 rpg 1.2 apg Adding: Xavier Johnson 3* G Brady Heiman 3* C PENN STATE Losing: Tony Carr (So G) 19.6 ppg 4.6 rpg 4.9 apg Shep Garner (Sr G) 10.3 ppg 2.0 rpg 1.3 apg Julian Moore (Gr F) 1.7 ppg 1.6 rpg 0.3 apg Adding: Myles Dread 3* SG Rasir Bulton 3* PG Tolu Jacobs Yaffa 3* C Danii Kasatkin NR PG INDIANA Losing: Josh Newkirk (Sr G) 7.1 ppg 2.2 rpg 2.7 apg Robert Johnson (Sr G) 14.0 ppg 4.6 rpg 2.6 apg Freddy McSwain Jr (Sr F) 4.1 ppg 4.4 rpg 0.5 apg Collin Hartman (Gr F) 4.5 ppg 2.9 rpg 1.1 apg Tim Priller (Sr F) 0.3 ppg 0.5 rpg 0 apg Adding: Jerome Hunter 4* PF Damezi Anderson 4* SF Robert Phinisee 4* PG Jake Forrester 3* PF Race Thompson 4* F (redshirt for '17-'18 season) MARYLAND Losing: Michal Cekovsky (Sr C) 6.8 ppg 3.2 rpg 0.4 apg Jared Nickens (Sr G/F) 5.3 ppg 1.4 rpg 0.3 apg Sean Obi (Gr C) 1.5 ppg 2.1 rpg 0.1 apg Gaining: Jalen Smith 5* PF Aaron Wiggins 4* SF Eric Alaya 4* G WISCONSIN Losing: Aaron Moesch (Sr F) 1.2 ppg 0.6 rpg 0.3 apg Adding: Taylor Currie 3* PF Joe Hedstrom 3* C NORTHWESTERN Losing: Scottie Lindsey (Sr G/F) 14.3 ppg 3.7 rpg 1.8 apg Bryant McIntosh (Sr G) 12.1 ppg 2.5 rpg 5.2 apg Gavin Skelly (Sr F) 6.4 ppg 4.2 rpg 1.0 apg Adding: Pete Nance 4* PF Miller Kopp 4* SF Jordan Lathon 4* G Ryan Young 3* PF MINNESOTA Losing: Nate Mason (Sr G) 16.8 ppg 3.7 rpg 4.3 apg Gaston Diedhiou (Sr F) 1.8 ppg 1.3 rpg 0.3 apg Davonte Fitzgerald (Sr F) 3.7 ppg 2.5 rpg 0.3 apg Bakary Konante (Sr C) 1.7 ppg 3.5 rpg 0.3 apg Adding: Daniel Oturu 4* C Jarvis Omersa 3* PF Gabe Kalscheur 3* SG IOWA Losing: Charlie Rose (Sr F) 0.9 ppg 0.4 rpg 0.3 apg (only played 7 games) Dom Uhl (Sr F) 0.3 ppg 1.1 rpg 0.4 apg Adding: Joe Wieskamp 4* SG CJ Fredrick 3* SG ILLINOIS Losing: Mark Alstork (Gr G) 6.3 ppg 3.7 rpg 2.0 apg Mark Smith (Fr G) 5.8 ppg 1.4 rpg 1.4 apg Leron Black (Jr F) 9.5 ppg 6.7 rpg 0.5 apg Adding: Ayo Dosumnu 5* G Alan Griffin NR SG Samba Kane NR PF RUTGERS Losing: Deshawn Freeman (Sr F) 11.2 ppg 7.5 rpg 0.9 apg Mike Williams (Sr G) 8.2 ppg 3.8 rpg 0.9 apg Jake Dadika (Sr G) 0.7 ppg 0.3 rpg 0.2 apg Candido Sa (Sr F) 2.2 ppg 3.4 rpg 0.1 apg Adding: Montez Mathis 4* SG Shaq Carter 3* PF Ronald Harper NR SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Stlboiler23 said: How big do you anticipate for Purdue? Curious where you see Purdue at next season? You know the team better than 99% of the people on here, and I may be in the minority but I appreciate your contributions to this board. I think they'll not be as good and they'll have a 'moderate fall'....not huge. Still a tournament team (7-8 seed). I actually think you'll be better off with Haarms getting Haas's minutes, but the loss of the other's leadership and depth will hurt. Not having the weapons around him, do you think Carsen Edwards' production will drop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, IUaic said: MICHIGAN Losing: Jaaron Simmons (Gr G) 1.5 ppg 0.7 rpg 1.3 apg Muhammad-Ali Abdur-Rahkman (Sr G) 11.8 ppg 3.8 rpg 3.3 apg Duncan Robinson (Sr G/F) 9.4 ppg 2.4 rpg 1.2 apg Moritz Wagner (Jr F) 14.6 ppg 7.3 rpg 0.7 apg Adding: Brandon Johns 4* PF Ignas Brazdeikis 4* SF David DeJulius 3* PG Colin Castleton 3* PF Adrien Nunez 3* SG Mo Wagner is projected late in the second round......I wonder if he'll go. If he does, that will hurt UM a lot and muddy up the field even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUaic Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Stlboiler23 said: How big do you anticipate for Purdue? Obviously we won't know until all recruiting, transferring, and early entrant decisions are complete throughout the B1G, but 50 points is a lot to make up by a team that is not considered an annually reloading team. They seem to build a solid team every 3 to 4 years that has a 2 year window for above average success (think Baby Boilers and last year/this year). Ironically, it seems both groups could wind up having their best deep run opportunity derailed by critical injuries (Hummel and Haas). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, IUaic said: Stole this from the Illini Board, some of it has players turning pro assumptions: MICHIGAN ST. Losing: Miles Bridges (So G/F) 17.1 ppg 6.8 rpg 2.8 apg Jaren Jackson Jr. (Fr F) 11.4 ppg 5.8 rpg 1.2apg 'Tum Tum' Nairn (Sr G) 2.0 ppg 1.0 rpg 3.2 apg Gavin Schilling (Sr F) 3.3 ppg 3.7 rpg 0.4 apg Adding: Marcus Bingham Jr. 4* PF Foster Loyer 4* PG Gabe Brown 4* SF Aaron Henry 3* SF Thomas Kithier 3* PF PURDUE Losing: Isaac Haas (Sr C) 14.8 ppg 5.9 rpg 0.8 apg Vincent Edwards (Sr F) 14.9 ppg 7.8 rpg 3.0 apg Dakota Mathias (Sr G) 11.9 ppg 3.9 rpg 4.3 apg PJ Thompson (Sr G) 7.5 ppg 1.8 rpg 1.8 apg Adding: Trevion Williams 3* C Eric Hunter 3* SG Emmanuel Dowuona 3* C OHIO ST Losing: Jae'Sean Tate (Sr F) 12.6 ppg 6.2 rpg 2.9 apg Kam Williams (Sr G) 7.9 ppg 2.0 rpg 0.6 apg Keita Bates-Diop (Jr F) 19.0 ppg 8.7 rpg 1.6 apg Adding: Luther Muhammad 4* SG Jaedon LeDee 4* PF Duane Washington 3* G Justin Ahrens 3* SF MICHIGAN Losing: Jaaron Simmons (Gr G) 1.5 ppg 0.7 rpg 1.3 apg Muhammad-Ali Abdur-Rahkman (Sr G) 11.8 ppg 3.8 rpg 3.3 apg Duncan Robinson (Sr G/F) 9.4 ppg 2.4 rpg 1.2 apg Moritz Wagner (Jr F) 14.6 ppg 7.3 rpg 0.7 apg Adding: Brandon Johns 4* PF Ignas Brazdeikis 4* SF David DeJulius 3* PG Colin Castleton 3* PF Adrien Nunez 3* SG NEBRASKA Losing: Duby Okeke (Sr C) 0.8 ppg 1.8 rpg 0.1 apg Malcolm Laws (Sr G) 0.3 ppg 0 rpg 0 apg Evan Taylor (Sr G) 6.6 ppg 3.4 rpg 2.3 apg Anton Gill (Sr G) 8.1 ppg 1.8 rpg 1.2 apg Adding: Xavier Johnson 3* G Brady Heiman 3* C PENN STATE Losing: Tony Carr (So G) 19.6 ppg 4.6 rpg 4.9 apg Shep Garner (Sr G) 10.3 ppg 2.0 rpg 1.3 apg Julian Moore (Gr F) 1.7 ppg 1.6 rpg 0.3 apg Adding: Myles Dread 3* SG Rasir Bulton 3* PG Tolu Jacobs Yaffa 3* C Danii Kasatkin NR PG INDIANA Losing: Josh Newkirk (Sr G) 7.1 ppg 2.2 rpg 2.7 apg Robert Johnson (Sr G) 14.0 ppg 4.6 rpg 2.6 apg Freddy McSwain Jr (Sr F) 4.1 ppg 4.4 rpg 0.5 apg Collin Hartman (Gr F) 4.5 ppg 2.9 rpg 1.1 apg Tim Priller (Sr F) 0.3 ppg 0.5 rpg 0 apg Adding: Jerome Hunter 4* PF Damezi Anderson 4* SF Robert Phinisee 4* PG Jake Forrester 3* PF Race Thompson 4* F (redshirt for '17-'18 season) MARYLAND Losing: Michal Cekovsky (Sr C) 6.8 ppg 3.2 rpg 0.4 apg Jared Nickens (Sr G/F) 5.3 ppg 1.4 rpg 0.3 apg Sean Obi (Gr C) 1.5 ppg 2.1 rpg 0.1 apg Gaining: Jalen Smith 5* PF Aaron Wiggins 4* SF Eric Alaya 4* G WISCONSIN Losing: Aaron Moesch (Sr F) 1.2 ppg 0.6 rpg 0.3 apg Adding: Taylor Currie 3* PF Joe Hedstrom 3* C NORTHWESTERN Losing: Scottie Lindsey (Sr G/F) 14.3 ppg 3.7 rpg 1.8 apg Bryant McIntosh (Sr G) 12.1 ppg 2.5 rpg 5.2 apg Gavin Skelly (Sr F) 6.4 ppg 4.2 rpg 1.0 apg Adding: Pete Nance 4* PF Miller Kopp 4* SF Jordan Lathon 4* G Ryan Young 3* PF MINNESOTA Losing: Nate Mason (Sr G) 16.8 ppg 3.7 rpg 4.3 apg Gaston Diedhiou (Sr F) 1.8 ppg 1.3 rpg 0.3 apg Davonte Fitzgerald (Sr F) 3.7 ppg 2.5 rpg 0.3 apg Bakary Konante (Sr C) 1.7 ppg 3.5 rpg 0.3 apg Adding: Daniel Oturu 4* C Jarvis Omersa 3* PF Gabe Kalscheur 3* SG IOWA Losing: Charlie Rose (Sr F) 0.9 ppg 0.4 rpg 0.3 apg (only played 7 games) Dom Uhl (Sr F) 0.3 ppg 1.1 rpg 0.4 apg Adding: Joe Wieskamp 4* SG CJ Fredrick 3* SG ILLINOIS Losing: Mark Alstork (Gr G) 6.3 ppg 3.7 rpg 2.0 apg Mark Smith (Fr G) 5.8 ppg 1.4 rpg 1.4 apg Leron Black (Jr F) 9.5 ppg 6.7 rpg 0.5 apg Adding: Ayo Dosumnu 5* G Alan Griffin NR SG Samba Kane NR PF RUTGERS Losing: Deshawn Freeman (Sr F) 11.2 ppg 7.5 rpg 0.9 apg Mike Williams (Sr G) 8.2 ppg 3.8 rpg 0.9 apg Jake Dadika (Sr G) 0.7 ppg 0.3 rpg 0.2 apg Candido Sa (Sr F) 2.2 ppg 3.4 rpg 0.1 apg Adding: Montez Mathis 4* SG Shaq Carter 3* PF Ronald Harper NR SG Wisconsin will also be losing Happ If that is all Nebraska loses from this year's team, they should be good next year. Interesting that, conference wide, only one 5 star is coming--to Maryland. Obviously, Romeo would change that, but I find it interesting that the B1G is not viewed as a destination conference for any more 5 stars than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierBGH Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jerry Lundergaard said: Wisconsin will also be losing Happ If that is all Nebraska loses from this year's team, they should be good next year. Interesting that, conference wide, only one 5 star is coming--to Maryland. Obviously, Romeo would change that, but I find it interesting that the B1G is not viewed as a destination conference for any more 5 stars than that. The Illini have a 5 star coming in as well. Still not very many even with Romeo though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, Jerry Lundergaard said: Wisconsin will also be losing Happ Why are they losing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Why are they losing him? My mistake. I thought he was a Senior this year. He's been there forever, it seems like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jerry Lundergaard said: My mistake. I thought he was a Senior this year. He's been there forever, it seems like haha. I thought you were crazy thinking a dude who doesn't shoot outside of 3 feet is going to declare early. I did look up an article that said he was going to the combine though....as he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 37 minutes ago, Jerry Lundergaard said: Wisconsin will also be losing Happ If that is all Nebraska loses from this year's team, they should be good next year. Interesting that, conference wide, only one 5 star is coming--to Maryland. Obviously, Romeo would change that, but I find it interesting that the B1G is not viewed as a destination conference for any more 5 stars than that. I can't see Happ leaving early for the draft because he can't shoot outside 3 feet from the basket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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