bluegrassIU Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, rico said: Don't get me wrong, these guys should cash in their chips when they can. As Steve Miller once sang....."Take the money and run..." Yeah, but he is the joker, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said: Yeah, but he is the joker, so... 'fouls said you were a midnight poker. Whatever that means.....LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 hour ago, rico said: 'fouls said you were a midnight poker. Whatever that means.....LOL ***searches for the ban button*** 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Free20 Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 20 hours ago, FKIM01 said: Two reasons... 1. Sharpen your game to improve your chance of sticking when you get there. 2. Build your brand on a big stage and strengthen ties with a large IU fanbase (think Oladioo and Zeller vs. Noah Vonleh). Don't get me wrong...I think Romeo is going to be fine regardless, but it's not like there's no reason to stay. I really hope he doesn't turn into Vonleh Jr...more or less irrelevant in the NBA and an afterthought with IU fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Free20 Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 11 hours ago, rico said: A lot of this stuff is moot. Romeo is going...we just need to step back and start speculating what team he will end up with. I wouldn't mind seeing him with the Pacers, but I don't think they have any way they could move up to get him without giving up too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 On 4/5/2019 at 10:51 PM, T-Free20 said: I wouldn't mind seeing him with the Pacers, but I don't think they have any way they could move up to get him without giving up too much. Or if he fell to them, they'd take Tyler Herro instead (like when they took Leaf over OG). 🤢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Free20 Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 4 hours ago, cybergates said: Or if he fell to them, they'd take Tyler Herro instead (like when they took Leaf over OG). 🤢 Yeah I don't know what the logic behind their draft picks has been, but it seems like they always take a white guy that ends up not really being worth a 1st round pick... TJ Leaf, Miles Plumlee, Tyler Hansbrough, Austin Croshere, Scott Haskin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, T-Free20 said: Yeah I don't know what the logic behind their draft picks has been, but it seems like they always take a white guy that ends up not really being worth a 1st round pick... TJ Leaf, Miles Plumlee, Tyler Hansbrough, Austin Croshere, Scott Haskin. They took Reggie Miller over the White IU guy Steve Alford and that was the right pick....just saying not always bad...and Croshere and Plumlee were and are pretty decent. Guess they shouldn’t have traded for Sabonis or signed Bogdonivich who is there best scorer either. They hit on some and miss but there isn’t an alterior motive I’m pretty convinced. Rik Smitts wasn’t too bad either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, dgambill said: They took Reggie Miller over the White IU guy Steve Alford and that was the right pick....just saying not always bad...and Croshere and Plumlee were and are pretty decent. Guess they shouldn’t have traded for Sabonis or signed Bogdonivich who is there best scorer either. They hit on some and miss but there isn’t an alterior motive I’m pretty convinced. Rik Smitts wasn’t too bad either. That Paul George guy didn't turn out half bad either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, Zlinedavid said: That Paul George guy didn't turn out half bad either. Yep...they also traded Kawi Leonard for George Hill...😫 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, dgambill said: Yep...they also traded Kawi Leonard for George Hill...😫 Hill was at least serviceable. Could have been like Milwaukee swapping Nowitzki for Tractor Traylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feathery Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, dgambill said: Yep...they also traded Kawi Leonard for George Hill...😫 That’s a bit misleading. They had the trade with the Spurs already lined up. The Spurs told them to take Kawi and then they would trade Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Feathery said: That’s a bit misleading. They had the trade with the Spurs already lined up. The Spurs told them to take Kawi and then they would trade Hill. Everyone knows that...fact is they still could have had Kawi instead of Hill. Imagine Leonard and George 1-2 punch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feathery Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, dgambill said: Everyone knows that...fact is they still could have had Kawi instead of Hill. Imagine Leonard and George 1-2 punch! You can do that same exercise with almost any team, in any draft. There are busts in every draft and there are guys who pan out who are drafted late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Free20 Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 54 minutes ago, dgambill said: They took Reggie Miller over the White IU guy Steve Alford and that was the right pick....just saying not always bad...and Croshere and Plumlee were and are pretty decent. Guess they shouldn’t have traded for Sabonis or signed Bogdonivich who is there best scorer either. They hit on some and miss but there isn’t an alterior motive I’m pretty convinced. Rik Smitts wasn’t too bad either. I never said anything about trades or free agent signings so not sure why you threw that out there, but ok. You're right, they haven't always been bad, but they haven't always been good either. Croshere was the #12 pick overall and averaged 6.8ppg for his career. Plumlee was #26 overall so that was just a flyer pick, but we passed on Draymond Green and Jae Crowder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, Feathery said: You can do that same exercise with almost any team, in any draft. There are busts in every draft and there are guys who pan out who are drafted late. Exactly...which is why the guys saying all the Pacers do is draft white guys that don’t work out was dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 hours ago, T-Free20 said: I never said anything about trades or free agent signings so not sure why you threw that out there, but ok. You're right, they haven't always been bad, but they haven't always been good either. Croshere was the #12 pick overall and averaged 6.8ppg for his career. Plumlee was #26 overall so that was just a flyer pick, but we passed on Draymond Green and Jae Crowder. Hindsight is always 20-20. Nobody considered Green a cant miss prospect either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: Hindsight is always 20-20. Nobody considered Green a cant miss prospect either. Very true. I liked Greens game in college but did not think it would transfer to the NBA to the extent it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookied39 Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 5 hours ago, IU878176 said: Very true. I liked Greens game in college but did not think it would transfer to the NBA to the extent it has. In my opinion it would not have had the Pacers drafted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Free20 Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 6 hours ago, Zlinedavid said: Hindsight is always 20-20. Nobody considered Green a cant miss prospect either. True, he lucked out and ended up in a perfect situation with Golden State where he wasn't the focal point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 5 hours ago, T-Free20 said: True, he lucked out and ended up in a perfect situation with Golden State where he wasn't the focal point. Exactly. The team that drafts you, the players, coaching style and management of that team, often play a major part in whether or how much a player is successful. Just look at Vic (among many examples). Pretty good at Orlando, but terribly managed, coaching changes leading to him being moved between backup and starter, a new chance in OKC but could not play well off-ball next to Westbrook with Westbrook's ball-dominant game and ended up having at best a mediocre experience there, to star of the Pacers in the perfect system and surrounding players, for his game. There are all kinds of such examples. Fit is a real key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Exactly. The team that drafts you, the players, coaching style and management of that team, often play a major part in whether or how much a player is successful. Just look at Vic (among many examples). Pretty good at Orlando, but terribly managed, coaching changes leading to him being moved between backup and starter, a new chance in OKC but could not play well off-ball next to Westbrook with Westbrook's ball-dominant game and ended up having at best a mediocre experience there, to star of the Pacers in the perfect system and surrounding players, for his game. There are all kinds of such examples. Fit is a real key. Going back to Green, he also wasn't thrust immediately into a starting/heavily contributing role. He didn't become a regular starter until his 3rd year. That gave him time to develop his outside shooting, which wasn't his strength coming in. That was key. Vic being the 2nd overall pick didn't have that luxury. He didn't have very many speed bumps, but there was a learning curve his first few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 11 hours ago, IU878176 said: Very true. I liked Greens game in college but did not think it would transfer to the NBA to the extent it has. I always thought that Draymond landed in the perfect spot for him. Not asked to score a lot, but do the little things and be a vocal leader. Not sure he would be as successful as he's been on another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 7 hours ago, IUFLA said: I always thought that Draymond landed in the perfect spot for him. Not asked to score a lot, but do the little things and be a vocal leader. Not sure he would be as successful as he's been on another team. Absolutely. Doesn't matter what spot you get drafted, your basketball success usually depends on what team takes you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Zlinedavid said: Going back to Green, he also wasn't thrust immediately into a starting/heavily contributing role. He didn't become a regular starter until his 3rd year. That gave him time to develop his outside shooting, which wasn't his strength coming in. That was key. Vic being the 2nd overall pick didn't have that luxury. He didn't have very many speed bumps, but there was a learning curve his first few years. That and Draymond has never been, and could not be, a star or franchise player. He’s been a strong all-around player on a team of stats - the focus is on guys like Curry, Klay, etc. He does the dirty work (including years of kicking players in the nads - he’s a dirty player). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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