DunkinDipo Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Please don't roast me because I do like Archie very much but it's kinda irritating that Louisville got their first choice even with the possible dumpster fire that's about to happen and we arguably did not get our first choice (depending on if you trust what Glass said or not). His record seems a bit better and he has done it in a better conference than Dayton. I realize that X underachieved in the conference and NCAA tourney this year but they've been a darn good team all year. Plus Mack seems to recruit our state very well which worries me a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 minute ago, DunkinDipo said: Please don't roast me because I do like Archie very much but it's kinda irritating that Louisville got their first choice even with the possible dumpster fire that's about to happen and we arguable did not get our first choice (depending on if you trust what Glass said or not). His record seems a bit better and he has done it in a better conference than Dayton. I realize that X underachieved in the conference and NCAA tourney this year but they've been a darn good team all year. Plus Mack seems to recruit our state very well which worries me a little bit. How do you know UL got their first choice. Unless you were in their meetings you have no idea who they went after or who turned them down. Why not wait 3-4 years and come back to see who was the best hire. Archie was not on the top of my wish list but I will give him a few years until I judge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 I would say Mack is probably a better hire than Archie was, based solely off of their resumes. Doesn’t mean Mack will end up being more successful than Archie in the long run, but he’s more accomplished than Archie at this point. But I would say a big reason Louisville landed him is the fact they gave him $4M a year for 7 years. That’s a good bit more than the 7 year, $3.35M per year contract we gave Archie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePaulieWalnuts Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 They didn’t get their first choice from what I heard. At the very least, they reached out to Donovan, who isn’t going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftheref Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 No but he's a million times better than Crean who we hired when in similar circumstances. Good hire for Louisville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnRon Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Archie is almost ten years younger. Wait and see what happens. Mack may have been recruiting well because Crean lost the state. I'd take Archie any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Given what Archie has done recruiting wise in this state and elsewhere in year 1.....let alone getting us 9 wins in Big 10 with the roster construction he inherited and losing Davis, Hartman...I could care less about the comparisons or what Louisville has going on. I'm very happy with Archie and the staff he's assembled. I'll worry about Louisville in 2020 or 2021 when the NCAA gets done with their program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno6284 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Don't underestimate the power that the poon has over a man! I have a feeling the wife had a say in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno6284 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 I'm perfectly happy with Archie, and if he had been here 4 years earlier, Mack may not of had the success he did with our Indiana boys on his team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, DunkinDipo said: Please don't roast me because I do like Archie very much but it's kinda irritating that Louisville got their first choice even with the possible dumpster fire that's about to happen and we arguable did not get our first choice (depending on if you trust what Glass said or not). His record seems a bit better and he has done it in a better conference than Dayton. I realize that X underachieved in the conference and NCAA tourney this year but they've been a darn good team all year. Plus Mack seems to recruit our state very well which worries me a little bit. Listen to Pete Gillian who coached Mack at Xavier on 1430am this afternoon. He said Mack has told him that he does not want to be a coaching Lifer and doesn't think Mack will coach more than 5 or 6 years more. He thought taking the money now will give him a chance to make the money and walk away in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 You could make that argument but if you offered a trade between these two today, I'd keep the one we have without hesitation. I really really like what Archie is building at IU and I don't know if Mack could duplicate that. Take the known over the unknown anytime. That being said, the Mack hire is way better than I though Louisville could do given the uncertainty they are facing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrosws20 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 56 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said: Don't underestimate the power that the poon has over a man! I have a feeling the wife had a say in this. How is this relevant to the topic? Mack's wife is from Louisville and sure he might be in Louisville in part to that (and the fact that Louisville more than doubled his salary), but that has nothing to do with Mack vs. Archie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrosws20 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 It sure seems like he was their first choice. Donovan wasn't coming to UofL because he's still doing well in the NBA and that would be completely killing his relationship with Pitino. Say what you want about Pitino (it's all likely true), but he and Donovan had a near father-son relationship. Donovan played for Pitino, Pitino hired him as an assistant at Kentucky, mentored him and gave him his rolodex. I have mentors in my life and I'd never stab my mentor in the back by jumping into the position my mentor thinks he was wrongfully ousted from (I know that is a joke but Pitino believes it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDipo Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 3 hours ago, IU Scott said: How do you know UL got their first choice. Unless you were in their meetings you have no idea who they went after or who turned them down. Why not wait 3-4 years and come back to see who was the best hire. Archie was not on the top of my wish list but I will give him a few years until I judge him. Well I can't prove anything but I live close to Louisville and have friends with connections to the program. Everyone I have spoken to said he was at the top of their list. Take it FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrosws20 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Mack is a good hire for UofL. Archie was a good hire for IU. We'll see how it shakes out, but overall I don't think the coaching landscape is very fertile right now. Maybe Gregg Marshall would've been another decent name for UofL and us. Many UofL fans had interest in Kenny Payne. Payne is a nice assistant coach, but that'd be a horrible hire. UofL, sanctions or not, can do better than Payne...and did. There are quite a few coaches out there for second tier schools, but there really aren't many good options out there, who are established good coaches from good schools who would be homerun hires, for schools like IU and UofL. The only one besides Marshall that I could think of would be Beilein and he's not stepping into the UofL mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDipo Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Don't get me wrong, I love Archie so far. I was just wondering what you guys thought. I just hope that we didn't miss out on any bigger names because we wouldn't pony up the cash that I'm sure we have like Louisville just did to get their guy. That's all I'm saying. While I'm pretty much sold on Archie at this point, I'm still not sold on Glass. Regardless, I'm betting on some fierce recruiting battles against him in the near future. There was an article out saying that he has already reached out to Romeo. While I'm sure it's probably too late at this point, it shows that he is going to be a relentless recruiter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsorgi Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 No. Archie is a better coach (I said the same last year when we were talking coaches). Or, at least, one with more potential. Mack's a good guy... but he's just a good coach, not a elite one. His reputation gets a big bump from a couple upset tournament runs as bad seeds (fun runs, but not super predictive of future success). As an example: sure, X had a really good team this year (though probably closer to a top 10ish team than top four - 1 seed was definitely deserved on resume, but resume was bolstered by squeaking out too many close wins against inferior teams), but with much of the same talent last year X barely made the tournament. Don't get me wrong - it isn't as if Mack is a disaster; he's very solid. But consistently underperforming defenses, inconsistent teams, inability to beat elite teams, and year-to-year inconsistencies do not make one an elite coach. And I say all this as a Xavier fan who is disappointed to lose Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Simple to figure out which one is better...... Whichever coach lands Romeo!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 I'm trying to remember if most fans had Mack ranked higher on the wish list than Miller. I don't think that was the case even though I believe he got plenty of mentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 32 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: I'm trying to remember if most fans had Mack ranked higher on the wish list than Miller. I don't think that was the case even though I believe he got plenty of mentions. I did not. I seem to remember that prior to last year's run, he was about to be on the hot seat. I believe his first year on the job he took s Miller's Guys to sweet 16 then limped into tourney as 11 last year and had that great run and all the sudden he's elite? Not so fast. I don't remember very many wanting Mack too strongly or having him high. For me it was Donovan way out above then Miller leading the 2nd charge, with G Marshall. Edit: fact checked myself. Lol. Either way I think Mack is good not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Guess I'm a homer in the fact I'm like Coach Norman Dale, "My teams is on the floor" Coach Miller for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsorgi Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Mack by year - keeping in mind he took over an excellent team that was well set-up in 2010 when Sean Miller left. KenPom overall rating/defense rating/NCAA tournament seed 2010: 18 overall/47 defense/6 seed 2011: 38 overall/58 defense/6 seed 2012: 53 overall/49 defense/10 seed 2013: 78 overall/64 defense/no tournament 2014: 52 overall/76 defense/12 seed 2015: 21 overall/56 defense/6 seed 2016: 14 overall/22 defense/2 seed 2017: 31 overall/67 defense/11 seed 2018: 15 overall/60 defense/1 seed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 You know, not sure why we are having this conversation just now. CAM has been CAM for all of one season and already there are some ready to question the hiring. As someone else said, who cares who anyone else has hired? All that matters to me is that Archie moves the program forward to where all of us want it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feathery Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Archie is better. Mack is a solid recruiter and Tom Crean level in game coach. I didn’t even have Mack on my list of coaches when IU was looking. Louisville can have him. Mack can collect a huge payday. When sanctions hit UL, Mack can decide to retire and enjoy the rest of his life or move on to another lucrative job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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