ADegenerate Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Cheaney was better than Damon. Henderson is debatable. Graham and Evans were not. He made his teammates better than they were. Damon just had bsd knees that prevented him from playing after IU. That’s true. I meant more of the better than expected point though. I was probably harsh on Damon I just didn’t remember him. That’s the only point I’m making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Cutter said: You are right on his knees could have had them fixed between his freshman and sophomore years but he chose not to because he couldn't stand the idea of playing that extra year for Knight. Pretty much destroyed his knees and NBA Dreams by not having them fixed although the pacers did draft him in the second round I believe My understanding is that the Pacers drafted him, knowing he would never play, but by having his rights, the team could pay for his knee surgery. I always thought that was an outstanding gesture by the team for someone that meant so much to basketbsll in this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 8 hours ago, CapnRon said: I would agree with that statement. Kyle Korver is just a shooter. JJ Reddick is just a shooter. Klay Thompson is an elite two way player who happens to be a historically great shooter. A specialist is in the league only because of the one particular skill they have; that doesn't describe Klay or Rodman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnRon Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Kyle Korver is just a shooter. JJ Reddick is just a shooter. Klay Thompson is an elite two way player who happens to be a historically great shooter. A specialist is in the league only because of the one particular skill they have; that doesn't describe Klay or Rodman. As I said before, maybe "specialist" is the wrong word, but compared to an all around player like bailey, it is a bad comparison. These guys definitely have huge holes in their game, that is the only point I was trying to make. Not sure why you guys are so hung up on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, CapnRon said: As I said before, maybe "specialist" is the wrong word, but compared to an all around player like bailey, it is a bad comparison. These guys definitely have huge holes in their game, that is the only point I was trying to make. Not sure why you guys are so hung up on that. So did Bailey or else he would have played in the NBA. Most guys have holes in their game, but all guys that didn't play in the NBA do. Klay Thompson would actually be borderline a guy who doesn't have holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnRon Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 1 minute ago, KoB2011 said: So did Bailey or else he would have played in the NBA. Most guys have holes in their game, but all guys that didn't play in the NBA do. Klay Thompson would actually be borderline a guy who doesn't have holes. So you are saying Bailey is comparable to Rodman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 50 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Kyle Korver is just a shooter. JJ Reddick is just a shooter. Klay Thompson is an elite two way player who happens to be a historically great shooter. A specialist is in the league only because of the one particular skill they have; that doesn't describe Klay or Rodman. Yeah, Klay Thompson is not a specialist. Guy is like a 3-4 time All-Star. He’s a great defender, can shoot spot-up, can shoot on the move, has a mid-range, can put the ball on floor, etc. The guy is an all-around great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: My understanding is that the Pacers drafted him, knowing he would never play, but by having his rights, the team could pay for his knee surgery. I always thought that was an outstanding gesture by the team for someone that meant so much to basketbsll in this state. Yes that is what I had heard also says alot for all involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 36 minutes ago, CapnRon said: So you are saying Bailey is comparable to Rodman? If the fact that they both have holes in their game makes them similar, sure. Rodman was historically great at defense and rebounding, Bailey was a nice college player that wasnt good enough at anything to make it to the highest level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 3 hours ago, IU Scott said: It is funny everybody talks about how great Victor was at IU and that Bailey was not that great but looking at the stats Bailey was a lot better. Bailey is the 8th all time leading scorer in the proud history of IU basketball with over 1700 points. He was on teams that made 4 sweet 16's and elite 8 and a final four. His senior year he was the leading scorer for IU and I think the big ten so how was that a disappointing career. You said you was 8 years old when Bailey played so how much do you really remember from that time. I was 6 years old in 76 and I remember a few things from that team but I could not really tell you a lot about that season. Had Bailey not had the burden of ridiculous expectations, I think he would be remembered as one of the best. He was an excellent player on some loaded teams and I'm glad he was a Hoosier. The problem was, we as fans expected him to come in and average 25-30 as a freshman. I'm not sure Romeo could meet the expectations that Hoosier Nation had for Damon. That said, Damon did not really have a typical guard's game in high school. I watched him play several times and he posted up a lot of players and was good at it. As he was only like 6'3", that part of his game simply did not translate to the college level. Sure, he could hit a jumper and he had a pretty good driving game, but my recollection of Damon was that he was just a touch slower than a lot of college level guards, but was crafty and had a lot of nice moves to go with a pretty nice jumper. His lack of speed meant that he had to play that much harder and smarter than his opponents and he often did. I've got nothing but praise for what Damon got out of his natural physical gifts...the kid was a baller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Daily Hoosier Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: Had Bailey not had the burden of ridiculous expectations, I think he would be remembered as one of the best. He was an excellent player on some loaded teams and I'm glad he was a Hoosier. The problem was, we as fans expected him to come in and average 25-30 as a freshman. I'm not sure Romeo could meet the expectations that Hoosier Nation had for Damon. That said, Damon did not really have a typical guard's game in high school. I watched him play several times and he posted up a lot of players and was good at it. As he was only like 6'3", that part of his game simply did not translate to the college level. Sure, he could hit a jumper and he had a pretty good driving game, but my recollection of Damon was that he was just a touch slower than a lot of college level guards, but was crafty and had a lot of nice moves to go with a pretty nice jumper. His lack of speed meant that he had to play that much harder and smarter than his opponents and he often did. I've got nothing but praise for what Damon got out of his natural physical gifts...the kid was a baller. Well said. Damon's game served him best in high school. At that level he played more in the post and attacking the basket. At IU the length and athleticism of the competition caught up with him a little and he had to become more perimeter oriented. He was still quite good at that but it wasn't what he built his reputation on. He had a great college career. He was drafted in the NBA. As you say, we just had crazy expectations of him. Romeo will have none of these issues in college, but when he doesn't average 25 a game there will be some that say he was overrated. They will be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: Cheaney was better than Damon. Henderson is debatable. Graham and Evans were not. He made his teammates better than they were. Damon just had bsd knees that prevented him from playing after IU. Let me expand on this a little more for the younger crowd. That '89 class of recruits was simply awesome. Cheaney was probably the 4th best coming in, that is subjective, but my opinion. The Graham boys and Funderburke had more accolades than Cal. Eric Anderson was already on the team. He had a stellar frosh year on a sweet 16 team as a starter. Funderburkes take his ball and goes home crying. So Bailey lands in '90 to a team that had 3 future NBA players. Anderson. Greg Graham, and Cheaney. The next year they add Henderson. The following Evans. So by my count Damon played with 5 NBA players. What the hell do you want him to do? Hog the ball? He was a team player...........forget the HS BS. The guy was a damn good college player, one of the best I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 3 hours ago, ADegenerate said: I don’t know what to say. That 92-93 squad was the best squad I’ve ever seen. Chaneney was the best player and I remember liking Greg Graham and Brian Evans the most because they always seemed to add value when you didn’t expect it. Still don’t remember Bailey. Just me though. Cheaney was by far the best player and probably Henderson after that but Bailey was a lot better than Evans and Graham. Actually Evans did not do that much until 94 and 95 and did not contribute that much in 92 and 93. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronkonagurski Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 I'll never forget Pat Knight ripping on Damon Bailey when he described Kyle Hornsby as being like Damon Bailey except with a work ethic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapnRon Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 4 hours ago, KoB2011 said: If the fact that they both have holes in their game makes them similar, sure. Rodman was historically great at defense and rebounding, Bailey was a nice college player that wasnt good enough at anything to make it to the highest level. Lol so your main point is to repeatedly tell me rodman plays "solid" defense, gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 17 hours ago, 5fouls said: If Bailey wpuld have played on recent IU teams he would have averaged over 20 for his career. And so much of his game did not show up in the box. With two bad knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 54 minutes ago, CapnRon said: Lol so your main point is to repeatedly tell me rodman plays "solid" defense, gotcha. Rodman 2x Defensive player of the year. 7x First team All Defensive team. 1x second team. 7x rebounding champ. Career 7.3 ppg, 13.1 rpg, 1.8 apg. Oh 5 rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Indykev said: Rodman 2x Defensive player of the year. 7x First team All Defensive team. 1x second team. 7x rebounding champ. Career 7.3 ppg, 13.1 rpg, 1.8 apg. Oh 5 rings. Meh, I will take Robert Horry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 13 hours ago, KoB2011 said: Kyle Korver is just a shooter. JJ Reddick is just a shooter. Klay Thompson is an elite two way player who happens to be a historically great shooter. A specialist is in the league only because of the one particular skill they have; that doesn't describe Klay or Rodman. I'll disagree on Rodmon. If his rebounding was not historically great, maybe the best of all time, I do not think he sticks in the league on his defense alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLHoosier Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 One aspect of Morgan that I haven’t seen mentioned is his early injury troubles in college. His first year or two it seemed that every time he entered the game, he injured his shoulder. It seems like that is behind him now (knock on wood), but you would have to think he’s taking this into consideration. I hope he comes back and turns himself into a first round selection, but I wouldn’t blame him for trying to play overseas or in the G league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 8 hours ago, bronkonagurski said: I'll never forget Pat Knight ripping on Damon Bailey when he described Kyle Hornsby as being like Damon Bailey except with a work ethic. Yeah and how many beers did "Patrick" have when he said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 2 hours ago, StLHoosier said: One aspect of Morgan that I haven’t seen mentioned is his early injury troubles in college. His first year or two it seemed that every time he entered the game, he injured his shoulder. It seems like that is behind him now (knock on wood), but you would have to think he’s taking this into consideration. I hope he comes back and turns himself into a first round selection, but I wouldn’t blame him for trying to play overseas or in the G league. You know, this is a good point that I haven’t really considered. Definitely agree that’s on his mind as he goes through this process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: I'll disagree on Rodmon. If his rebounding was not historically great, maybe the best of all time, I do not think he sticks in the league on his defense alone. Why not? Tony Allen did. Tony Allen would qualify as a specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 2 hours ago, KoB2011 said: Why not? Tony Allen did. Tony Allen would qualify as a specialist. Agree. Though one note on Allen, not that it really matters to the discussion, but he would have been a much more rounded player if not for all the knee injuries his first few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronkonagurski Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 8 hours ago, rico said: Yeah and how many beers did "Patrick" have when he said that? Presumably he was sober. It was a Student Athletic Board meeting at Assembly Hall, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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