cybergates Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 12 hours ago, btownqb said: I have zero suspicion of Duke quite honestly and think people who do are simply jealous. I have plenty of suspicion of Duke and am not the least bit jealous. Duke/Coach K don't directly pay the players, but Nike does. If Zion got 100k offer to go to School A, you really think he's going to School B (Duke) and not getting 100k or more? Lance Thomas. Marvin Bagley. Corey Maggette. The list goes on and on, so to have zero suspicion of Duke and use Kentucky fan logic that they don't have to pay players b/c they're such a great program that they don't have to seems illogical to me. John Wooden didn't get all those great players back in the day without a booster paying for them. Duke isn't getting all these players now without a "booster" (Nike) paying for them. My brother played JC baseball coming out of a tiny Indiana HS, and he got improper benefits to help the fact that they couldn't give scholarships. If he's getting them, you really think that the top schools aren't making sure the top players are? It has been going on since before my time and every one does it in one way or another (even us) IMO. Duke/Kentucky/UNC/Kansas/etc just do it to a much higher degree than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 48 minutes ago, CoachSS said: No That's what I was thinking. I've thought Bama or Memphis since last Fall and nothing I've read or heard has changed my mind. Thanks for confirming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Seeking6 said: That's what I was thinking. I've thought Bama or Memphis since last Fall and nothing I've read or heard has changed my mind. Thanks for confirming. LSU was controlling this one until recently. Do not count them out just yet. I do not believe we have pursued very hard and maybe that is what both sides wanted IDK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierKix Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said: It's either Duke or Memphis. LSU in what could be a lot of trouble, Alabama switching coaches and losing good talent(Kira Lewis) during the coaching change def doesn't help the case to lure Trendon, the fact that he would stay home and play college ball is the appeal. IU will always be special to the Watfords. My guess is Duke or Memphis Duke is getting Matthew Hurt and so I see Trendon Landing at Memphis because there won’t be enough minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Billingsley99 said: LSU was controlling this one until recently. Do not count them out just yet. I do not believe we have pursued very hard and maybe that is what both sides wanted IDK. Things can and do change...I get that. I'm paraphrasing here but basically the thought was we'll recruit you if you want to be recruited is what Archie told them. The proverbial ball is in their court and honestly I like that approach from our staff. Why spend visits/trips,etc.....if the reciprocity isn't there. Watford's already know all they need to know about IU anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, HoosierKix said: Duke is getting Matthew Hurt and so I see Trendon Landing at Memphis because there won’t be enough minutes And this is a very key thing about Duke. Watford's aren't dumb. They know the likelihood of Trendon being recruited over at Duke is very real....which is why I keep going back to Memphis or Bama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyHoosier Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 Regarding Duke. Here are some numbers for you: Recruiting class ranking by year over the last decade or so: 2007 - 11 2008 -14 2009 - 20 2010 - 16 2011 - 2 2012 -41 2013 - 9 2014 - 1 2015 -2 2016 - 1 2017 -1 2018 -1 A few notable things happened during this stretch that could affect these numbers. First, Duke won it all in the 2009-2010 season which likely positively impacted that class of 2011. Second, and most notable, Kentucky won it all in 2011-2012. This was Cal's 3rd year at UK and his third straight #1 rated recruiting class featuring Anthony Davis and Teague. Look at the trend after this and tell me something did not change with Coach K's "philosophy". Yeah, Duke is clean. Cal forced K's hand imo but doesn't mean he is innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Things can and do change...I get that. I'm paraphrasing here but basically the thought was we'll recruit you if you want to be recruited is what Archie told them. The proverbial ball is in their court and honestly I like that approach from our staff. Why spend visits/trips,etc.....if the reciprocity isn't there. Watford's already know all they need to know about IU anyway. Exactly. Part of me and a little birdie told me that if we truly would have pressed more we might have been the choice. No guarantee. I have no insight on what the staff does or wants to do but I think they thought it would be KB or TW and prioritized KB which I cannot fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ib4IU Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 If I had to guess I’d think Memphis and LSU are still his top two. If Sean Miller is still coaching Wade will be too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyHoosier Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 Side note. Anthony Davis's embrace with "World Wide Wes" after the 2012 national championship game is when amateur college basketball died in my mind for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierKix Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: And this is a very key thing about Duke. Watford's aren't dumb. They know the likelihood of Trendon being recruited over at Duke is very real....which is why I keep going back to Memphis or Bama. Don’t see Bama being in because even if they hire his high school coach, they have lost all their good players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, cybergates said: I have plenty of suspicion of Duke and am not the least bit jealous. Duke/Coach K don't directly pay the players, but Nike does. If Zion got 100k offer to go to School A, you really think he's going to School B (Duke) and not getting 100k or more? Lance Thomas. Marvin Bagley. Corey Maggette. The list goes on and on, so to have zero suspicion of Duke and use Kentucky fan logic that they don't have to pay players b/c they're such a great program that they don't have to seems illogical to me. John Wooden didn't get all those great players back in the day without a booster paying for them. Duke isn't getting all these players now without a "booster" (Nike) paying for them. My brother played JC baseball coming out of a tiny Indiana HS, and he got improper benefits to help the fact that they couldn't give scholarships. If he's getting them, you really think that the top schools aren't making sure the top players are? It has been going on since before my time and every one does it in one way or another (even us) IMO. Duke/Kentucky/UNC/Kansas/etc just do it to a much higher degree than most. I think shoe companies do have a vested interest in steering kids to programs they sponsor but how far does that influence reach? We can speculate what’s logical and what’s not all we want, but in Coach K’s case and the players you mention above, what exactly has been proven that’d warrant a punishment for Duke? The heat is on all programs right now. K is still getting the best recruits. I’m not sure he’d take a risk this big to tarnish his legacy. Exposure is more valuable to a blue chipper than pay for play money - it’s worth more in the long run and you don’t have to get your hands dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyHoosier Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: I think shoe companies do have a vested interest in steering kids to programs they sponsor but how far does that influence reach? We can speculate what’s logical and what’s not all we want, but in Coach K’s case and the players you mention above, what exactly has been proven that’d warrant a punishment for Duke? The heat is on all programs right now. K is still getting the best recruits. I’m not sure he’d take a risk this big to tarnish his legacy. Exposure is more valuable to a blue chipper than pay for play money - it’s worth more in the long run and you don’t have to get your hands dirty. Did Duke have exposure prior to 2014? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, tdhoosier said: I think shoe companies do have a vested interest in steering kids to programs they sponsor but how far does that influence reach? We can speculate what’s logical and what’s not all we want, but in Coach K’s case and the players you mention above, what exactly has been proven that’d warrant a punishment for Duke? The heat is on all programs right now. K is still getting the best recruits. I’m not sure he’d take a risk this big to tarnish his legacy. Exposure is more valuable to a blue chipper than pay for play money - it’s worth more in the long run and you don’t have to get your hands dirty. Nothing I know is proven that'd warrant a punishment for Duke, just like nothing has been proven that punished Wooden or Calipari either. Cam Newton's case was proven and no punishment was given to Auburn or the other school involved (apologies can't remember). The people doing this well, don't make mistakes. Some of the people they pay make mistakes (Lance Thomas), but it still doesn't get tied back to them (or the school the kid played at). They are very unlikely to ever be caught by the NCAA. It took the FBI's involvement to uncover some of them. The thing is Coach K doesn't really have to take the risk. He insulates himself just like Cal and others do. Self's text message exchange is pretty damning of himself and other high level programs. I'm sure Self figured no way the NCAA ever has the ability to check my messages, but once the FBI got involved he was exposed. I'm guessing K and Cal were smarter than that, but we'll see once the FBI is done. I just don't see many, if any, top level recruits turning down large sums of money or benefits from top level schools to go to a different top level school for free. Carlos Boozer said he turned down plenty of "offers" to play at Duke. What he didn't say was that Duke didn't offer him more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, btownqb said: Speculation because you all have brought nothing concrete forward? I just dont use speculation as fact because I'm jealous of what another program has. Now you're speculating about my motives...nice try, Sparky. Why don't you try this on for size and then tell me again I have nothing concrete.: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8348908/former-duke-blue-devils-f-lance-thomas-purchased-100000-jewelry https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/article201728204.html https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/duke/article207007143.html That concrete enough for you? Stop spouting off about things you are too lazy to research., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 16 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: Now you're speculating about my motives...nice try, Sparky. Why don't you try this on for size and then tell me again I have nothing concrete.: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8348908/former-duke-blue-devils-f-lance-thomas-purchased-100000-jewelry https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/article201728204.html https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/duke/article207007143.html That concrete enough for you? Stop spouting off about things you are too lazy to research., First dont tell me what to do.. sorry for having a different opinion then you.. I've read every article you have, the internet is for all of us. 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 9:58 AM, btownqb said: First dont tell me what to do.. sorry for having a different opinion then you.. I've read every article you have, the internet is for all of us. 🤷♂️ [mods deleted -- play nice, please] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 10:02 AM, FKIM01 said: [mods deleted -- play nice, please] Easy fellas. Plenty of room for more than one opinion. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 10:02 AM, FKIM01 said: [mods deleted -- play nice, please] [mods deleted -- play nice, please] Quite honestly I dont pay attention to what you post. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, btownqb said: So you've called me an ass and a fool. Yet... I am the disrespectful one. Eeeesh. You've got some problems man. If you think what I've said in this thread is arrogant, not really sure what to tell you. I never mad anything personal you did. Quite honestly I dont pay attention to what you post. Sorry. 14 hours ago, btownqb said: I have zero suspicion of Duke quite honestly and think people who do are simply jealous. Don't play the victim here. After all, anyone who thinks Duke has any dirt on the program is just jealous. Typical from you. I'll just do us both a favor and ignore your arrogant commentary going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, btownqb said: Duke isn't UL and KU though. They're 4 or 5 steps above them. And again its speculation on your part. Duke is NOT 4-5 steps above Kansas. What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: Don't play the victim here. After all, anyone who thinks Duke has any dirt on the program is just jealous. Typical from you. I'll just do us both a favor and ignore your arrogant commentary going forward. Ok bud. Still no idea what I did to you. Have a good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, BADGERVOL said: Duke is NOT 4-5 steps above Kansas. What are you talking about? How aren't they? National championships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ib4IU Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, btownqb said: How aren't they? National championships? Well the good news is IU and Duke both have 5 so we’re on the same level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, BADGERVOL said: Duke is NOT 4-5 steps above Kansas. What are you talking about? I am speaking in the past 10-12 years (not as a programs history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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