3Ballin Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 hours ago, rico said: Yeah, I have heard that about Anderson as far as tuition. How do the athletes do their meals? Is it a team function? Nope, i "played" football at AU. You got to pay for a meal plan just like every other student and eat at the cafeteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Indykev said: IU has watched Leal a lot, no one said IU won't offer or knows if IU will offer. We need guards, not taking any in 19' class. They could take both. Let it play out. Isn't Franklin a guard in 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 42 minutes ago, 3Ballin said: Nope, i "played" football at AU. You got to pay for a meal plan just like every other student and eat at the cafeteria. No, I was talking about tuition. And the food was in reference to IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 52 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Isn't Franklin a guard in 2019 yes I stand corrected, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Thank you coach very well explained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 this is my second disclaimer that I do not honestly believe that any of these kids would walk on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, CoachSS said: Just to chime in on a few things in relation to this... - One of the most important things for Leal is to prove himself when the IU staff is watching. In the games they have gone to this year (and in his career before this season) there hasn't been those "moments" where he turns the corner with the ball. His shooting, IQ, body, upside. Those concerns aren't there. It's his ability to make plays with the ball in his hands. When he needs to catch it, take a dribble, make a play. Catch on the wing, shot fake, one dribble and be at the rim. Those plays have NOT occurred when the IU staff has been on-hand. - Clearly, Indiana would be "THE" team to beat in his recruitment if they offered. For those who don't know, BOTH of his parents are employed by the IU Foundation. He's grown up an IU fan, loves IU and it is an offer they crave. - Stanford is interesting here. Anthony's a very, very high-level student. Those who have said "my fear is he goes elsewhere and crushes us." I'd subside that fear because Indiana and Stanford won't be playing each other except in an exempt non-conference tournament or in the NCAA Tournament. Both of his parents understand the value of education and Stanford is as good as it gets. I am expecting him to take a spring "official" to Stanford. - "What about him paying his own way?" It's pretty disrespectful for a coaching staff to tell a family "We think you are good, but only for a walk-on spot." I've never heard a staff do it. I don't expect any Division-1 coaching staffs are that out-of-touch / stupid. I know it can be tough to discern a tone over the internet. So, I hope I don't come off as rude. Just trying to be real here. Everyone who is thinking of it... don't say it. Don't think it. Just don't. It's not real life. I say this out of love for IU fans everywhere - Those who talk about IU's shooting this season and talk of how there is a "huge need" for shooters. I don't disagree. IU could use more. Damezi is a good shooter and Al Durham has shot it well this year. Even Robert Phinisee (40% from three-point territory) is doing well. But, those guys don't have tons of usage (cough*Romeo*cough) but there is a need for a few more guys to space the floor. Is Anthony Leal one of them? Of course. He can be. But that doesn't mean a player two years away from college should get an offer because a team isn't shooting it that well. I expect Indiana to have some roster turnover and some of the outside shooting to be addressed / cured in the off-season. - The rankings thing. It's not as easy to say "Well, he's a top-100 player in our backyard. Take him!" Just a few points on that: 1.) This coaching is staff is VERY, VERY competitive. They won't take anything just to appease someone else. 2.) IU projects to have a VERY small 2020 class. If Leal was a 2018, 2019 or 2021 I think an offer would be a big expectation. But, he's in a small age group (numbers-wise) and the staff has to be cautious and careful about how to do things. They would never settle to get a recruit and fans shouldn't want that. 3.) IU is in on better players. Ethan Morton looks like a better-passing version of Dakota Mathias and Caleb Love has 5* potential. Dawson Garcia could end up as one of the top-rated recruits in the country. 4.) The staff wants to be DEAD SURE on a local kid. The last thing they want is to take him, he has a bad experience and the talk around town is that one of Bloomington's own hated his time at IU. Would send some serious bad vibes around the town. I REALLY hope this doesn't come off as snooty or arrogant or some $h!t like that. I'm just trying to be as honest and transparent on what is going on. My best, SS As always. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftheref Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, CoachSS said: Just to chime in on a few things in relation to this... - One of the most important things for Leal is to prove himself when the IU staff is watching. In the games they have gone to this year (and in his career before this season) there hasn't been those "moments" where he turns the corner with the ball. His shooting, IQ, body, upside. Those concerns aren't there. It's his ability to make plays with the ball in his hands. When he needs to catch it, take a dribble, make a play. Catch on the wing, shot fake, one dribble and be at the rim. Those plays have NOT occurred when the IU staff has been on-hand. - Clearly, Indiana would be "THE" team to beat in his recruitment if they offered. For those who don't know, BOTH of his parents are employed by the IU Foundation. He's grown up an IU fan, loves IU and it is an offer they crave. - Stanford is interesting here. Anthony's a very, very high-level student. Those who have said "my fear is he goes elsewhere and crushes us." I'd subside that fear because Indiana and Stanford won't be playing each other except in an exempt non-conference tournament or in the NCAA Tournament. Both of his parents understand the value of education and Stanford is as good as it gets. I am expecting him to take a spring "official" to Stanford. - "What about him paying his own way?" It's pretty disrespectful for a coaching staff to tell a family "We think you are good, but only for a walk-on spot." I've never heard a staff do it. I don't expect any Division-1 coaching staffs are that out-of-touch / stupid. I know it can be tough to discern a tone over the internet. So, I hope I don't come off as rude. Just trying to be real here. Everyone who is thinking of it... don't say it. Don't think it. Just don't. It's not real life. I say this out of love for IU fans everywhere - Those who talk about IU's shooting this season and talk of how there is a "huge need" for shooters. I don't disagree. IU could use more. Damezi is a good shooter and Al Durham has shot it well this year. Even Robert Phinisee (40% from three-point territory) is doing well. But, those guys don't have tons of usage (cough*Romeo*cough) but there is a need for a few more guys to space the floor. Is Anthony Leal one of them? Of course. He can be. But that doesn't mean a player two years away from college should get an offer because a team isn't shooting it that well. I expect Indiana to have some roster turnover and some of the outside shooting to be addressed / cured in the off-season. - The rankings thing. It's not as easy to say "Well, he's a top-100 player in our backyard. Take him!" Just a few points on that: 1.) This coaching is staff is VERY, VERY competitive. They won't take anything just to appease someone else. 2.) IU projects to have a VERY small 2020 class. If Leal was a 2018, 2019 or 2021 I think an offer would be a big expectation. But, he's in a small age group (numbers-wise) and the staff has to be cautious and careful about how to do things. They would never settle to get a recruit and fans shouldn't want that. 3.) IU is in on better players. Ethan Morton looks like a better-passing version of Dakota Mathias and Caleb Love has 5* potential. Dawson Garcia could end up as one of the top-rated recruits in the country. 4.) The staff wants to be DEAD SURE on a local kid. The last thing they want is to take him, he has a bad experience and the talk around town is that one of Bloomington's own hated his time at IU. Would send some serious bad vibes around the town. I REALLY hope this doesn't come off as snooty or arrogant or some $h!t like that. I'm just trying to be as honest and transparent on what is going on. My best, SS Thank you for the information and as always you know what you are talking about. When CoachSS speaks, I listen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieBall13 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, CoachSS said: Just to chime in on a few things in relation to this... - One of the most important things for Leal is to prove himself when the IU staff is watching. In the games they have gone to this year (and in his career before this season) there hasn't been those "moments" where he turns the corner with the ball. His shooting, IQ, body, upside. Those concerns aren't there. It's his ability to make plays with the ball in his hands. When he needs to catch it, take a dribble, make a play. Catch on the wing, shot fake, one dribble and be at the rim. Those plays have NOT occurred when the IU staff has been on-hand. - Clearly, Indiana would be "THE" team to beat in his recruitment if they offered. For those who don't know, BOTH of his parents are employed by the IU Foundation. He's grown up an IU fan, loves IU and it is an offer they crave. - Stanford is interesting here. Anthony's a very, very high-level student. Those who have said "my fear is he goes elsewhere and crushes us." I'd subside that fear because Indiana and Stanford won't be playing each other except in an exempt non-conference tournament or in the NCAA Tournament. Both of his parents understand the value of education and Stanford is as good as it gets. I am expecting him to take a spring "official" to Stanford. - "What about him paying his own way?" It's pretty disrespectful for a coaching staff to tell a family "We think you are good, but only for a walk-on spot." I've never heard a staff do it. I don't expect any Division-1 coaching staffs are that out-of-touch / stupid. I know it can be tough to discern a tone over the internet. So, I hope I don't come off as rude. Just trying to be real here. Everyone who is thinking of it... don't say it. Don't think it. Just don't. It's not real life. I say this out of love for IU fans everywhere - Those who talk about IU's shooting this season and talk of how there is a "huge need" for shooters. I don't disagree. IU could use more. Damezi is a good shooter and Al Durham has shot it well this year. Even Robert Phinisee (40% from three-point territory) is doing well. But, those guys don't have tons of usage (cough*Romeo*cough) but there is a need for a few more guys to space the floor. Is Anthony Leal one of them? Of course. He can be. But that doesn't mean a player two years away from college should get an offer because a team isn't shooting it that well. I expect Indiana to have some roster turnover and some of the outside shooting to be addressed / cured in the off-season. - The rankings thing. It's not as easy to say "Well, he's a top-100 player in our backyard. Take him!" Just a few points on that: 1.) This coaching is staff is VERY, VERY competitive. They won't take anything just to appease someone else. 2.) IU projects to have a VERY small 2020 class. If Leal was a 2018, 2019 or 2021 I think an offer would be a big expectation. But, he's in a small age group (numbers-wise) and the staff has to be cautious and careful about how to do things. They would never settle to get a recruit and fans shouldn't want that. 3.) IU is in on better players. Ethan Morton looks like a better-passing version of Dakota Mathias and Caleb Love has 5* potential. Dawson Garcia could end up as one of the top-rated recruits in the country. 4.) The staff wants to be DEAD SURE on a local kid. The last thing they want is to take him, he has a bad experience and the talk around town is that one of Bloomington's own hated his time at IU. Would send some serious bad vibes around the town. I REALLY hope this doesn't come off as snooty or arrogant or some $h!t like that. I'm just trying to be as honest and transparent on what is going on. My best, SS It absolutely does not come off as arrogant at all. You've got the goods to share what's goin on. Thanks as always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwtaylor1055 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 12 hours ago, CoachSS said: Just to chime in on a few things in relation to this... - One of the most important things for Leal is to prove himself when the IU staff is watching. In the games they have gone to this year (and in his career before this season) there hasn't been those "moments" where he turns the corner with the ball. His shooting, IQ, body, upside. Those concerns aren't there. It's his ability to make plays with the ball in his hands. When he needs to catch it, take a dribble, make a play. Catch on the wing, shot fake, one dribble and be at the rim. Those plays have NOT occurred when the IU staff has been on-hand. - Clearly, Indiana would be "THE" team to beat in his recruitment if they offered. For those who don't know, BOTH of his parents are employed by the IU Foundation. He's grown up an IU fan, loves IU and it is an offer they crave. - Stanford is interesting here. Anthony's a very, very high-level student. Those who have said "my fear is he goes elsewhere and crushes us." I'd subside that fear because Indiana and Stanford won't be playing each other except in an exempt non-conference tournament or in the NCAA Tournament. Both of his parents understand the value of education and Stanford is as good as it gets. I am expecting him to take a spring "official" to Stanford. - "What about him paying his own way?" It's pretty disrespectful for a coaching staff to tell a family "We think you are good, but only for a walk-on spot." I've never heard a staff do it. I don't expect any Division-1 coaching staffs are that out-of-touch / stupid. I know it can be tough to discern a tone over the internet. So, I hope I don't come off as rude. Just trying to be real here. Everyone who is thinking of it... don't say it. Don't think it. Just don't. It's not real life. I say this out of love for IU fans everywhere - Those who talk about IU's shooting this season and talk of how there is a "huge need" for shooters. I don't disagree. IU could use more. Damezi is a good shooter and Al Durham has shot it well this year. Even Robert Phinisee (40% from three-point territory) is doing well. But, those guys don't have tons of usage (cough*Romeo*cough) but there is a need for a few more guys to space the floor. Is Anthony Leal one of them? Of course. He can be. But that doesn't mean a player two years away from college should get an offer because a team isn't shooting it that well. I expect Indiana to have some roster turnover and some of the outside shooting to be addressed / cured in the off-season. - The rankings thing. It's not as easy to say "Well, he's a top-100 player in our backyard. Take him!" Just a few points on that: 1.) This coaching is staff is VERY, VERY competitive. They won't take anything just to appease someone else. 2.) IU projects to have a VERY small 2020 class. If Leal was a 2018, 2019 or 2021 I think an offer would be a big expectation. But, he's in a small age group (numbers-wise) and the staff has to be cautious and careful about how to do things. They would never settle to get a recruit and fans shouldn't want that. 3.) IU is in on better players. Ethan Morton looks like a better-passing version of Dakota Mathias and Caleb Love has 5* potential. Dawson Garcia could end up as one of the top-rated recruits in the country. 4.) The staff wants to be DEAD SURE on a local kid. The last thing they want is to take him, he has a bad experience and the talk around town is that one of Bloomington's own hated his time at IU. Would send some serious bad vibes around the town. I REALLY hope this doesn't come off as snooty or arrogant or some $h!t like that. I'm just trying to be as honest and transparent on what is going on. My best, SS I follow you on Twitter coach so I see a lot of what you post on there, keep the excellent info coming, thoughts/opinions/etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBQ Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 14 hours ago, 3Ballin said: Nope, i "played" football at AU. You got to pay for a meal plan just like every other student and eat at the cafeteria. When did you play there? I was there from about 07-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Love your stuff, Coach SS. I live out of state and obviously haven’t seen Leal. Is he a dead eye long range shooter who can get his shot off and make the D pay? IMHO, if he is and Archie isn’t on him like white on rice, that’s a bad sign about his philosophy. Based on Leal’s ranking, presumably he’s a legit athlete for this level and not a Grant Gelon or Tim Priller. There are 13 schollies. Not every single player needs to have the physical attributes you described in my opinion. There are spots for complementary players who get out to the arc and stretch the D. Now if Archie wants to argue that he wants physical attributes first and that you can get them to shoot, this year proves the point that it doesn’t work. There’s a lesson studying a roster with guys like Phinnie, Green, Durham, and Fitzner who “can” shoot and you can see that’s simply not good enough. The offense is thusly flawed. There’s a huge difference between a guy who is capable of hitting a shot and a guy that the defense is terrified of shooting and they have to game plan for. Some years back, Mike Davis went against the grain and didn’t recruit Dominic James and mishandled Luke Harangody. This was discussed as nauseam on other boards when these guys were in high school and not with the benefit of hindsight. I remember saying that will be the end for Davis and it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seeking6 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/22/2019 at 7:18 PM, CoachSS said: Just to chime in on a few things in relation to this... - One of the most important things for Leal is to prove himself when the IU staff is watching. In the games they have gone to this year (and in his career before this season) there hasn't been those "moments" where he turns the corner with the ball. His shooting, IQ, body, upside. Those concerns aren't there. It's his ability to make plays with the ball in his hands. When he needs to catch it, take a dribble, make a play. Catch on the wing, shot fake, one dribble and be at the rim. Those plays have NOT occurred when the IU staff has been on-hand. - Clearly, Indiana would be "THE" team to beat in his recruitment if they offered. For those who don't know, BOTH of his parents are employed by the IU Foundation. He's grown up an IU fan, loves IU and it is an offer they crave. - Stanford is interesting here. Anthony's a very, very high-level student. Those who have said "my fear is he goes elsewhere and crushes us." I'd subside that fear because Indiana and Stanford won't be playing each other except in an exempt non-conference tournament or in the NCAA Tournament. Both of his parents understand the value of education and Stanford is as good as it gets. I am expecting him to take a spring "official" to Stanford. - "What about him paying his own way?" It's pretty disrespectful for a coaching staff to tell a family "We think you are good, but only for a walk-on spot." I've never heard a staff do it. I don't expect any Division-1 coaching staffs are that out-of-touch / stupid. I know it can be tough to discern a tone over the internet. So, I hope I don't come off as rude. Just trying to be real here. Everyone who is thinking of it... don't say it. Don't think it. Just don't. It's not real life. I say this out of love for IU fans everywhere - Those who talk about IU's shooting this season and talk of how there is a "huge need" for shooters. I don't disagree. IU could use more. Damezi is a good shooter and Al Durham has shot it well this year. Even Robert Phinisee (40% from three-point territory) is doing well. But, those guys don't have tons of usage (cough*Romeo*cough) but there is a need for a few more guys to space the floor. Is Anthony Leal one of them? Of course. He can be. But that doesn't mean a player two years away from college should get an offer because a team isn't shooting it that well. I expect Indiana to have some roster turnover and some of the outside shooting to be addressed / cured in the off-season. - The rankings thing. It's not as easy to say "Well, he's a top-100 player in our backyard. Take him!" Just a few points on that: 1.) This coaching is staff is VERY, VERY competitive. They won't take anything just to appease someone else. 2.) IU projects to have a VERY small 2020 class. If Leal was a 2018, 2019 or 2021 I think an offer would be a big expectation. But, he's in a small age group (numbers-wise) and the staff has to be cautious and careful about how to do things. They would never settle to get a recruit and fans shouldn't want that. 3.) IU is in on better players. Ethan Morton looks like a better-passing version of Dakota Mathias and Caleb Love has 5* potential. Dawson Garcia could end up as one of the top-rated recruits in the country. 4.) The staff wants to be DEAD SURE on a local kid. The last thing they want is to take him, he has a bad experience and the talk around town is that one of Bloomington's own hated his time at IU. Would send some serious bad vibes around the town. I REALLY hope this doesn't come off as snooty or arrogant or some $h!t like that. I'm just trying to be as honest and transparent on what is going on. My best, SS Just a quick update on this. Coach posted this 9 days ago. Stanford watching him tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC2345 Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 I want this kid to be a Hoosier. CAM needs to stop waiting around imo. But I guess he is the one that is paid to make these decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC2345 said: I want this kid to be a Hoosier. CAM needs to stop waiting around imo. But I guess he is the one that is paid to make these decisions. I believe Archie is on a bigger fish (Morton) and knows Leel is a lock if he offers...so we will wait to see how the Morton offer turns out. Not sure Archie would take Leel if he gets Morton given the roster makeup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, dgambill said: I believe Archie is on a bigger fish (Morton) and knows Leel is a lock if he offers...so we will wait to see how the Morton offer turns out. Not sure Archie would take Leel if he gets Morton given the roster makeup. I agree on Morton but I would take him and Leal. I like them both better than Love imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierdave Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Would it be too late for him to reclassify? I think I've seen articles talking about this kid being really smart and taking AP courses. Could definitely see a guard transferring at the end of the season and would allow us to still have room for Morton & Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierburgh Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 For those who've seen Leal play, do you think he has the potential to be better than Jordy? If so, what are we waiting for!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Hoosierdave said: Would it be too late for him to reclassify? I think I've seen articles talking about this kid being really smart and taking AP courses. Could definitely see a guard transferring at the end of the season and would allow us to still have room for Morton & Love. He isn't going to reclassify. The staff has question marks about him and they are holding off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierKix Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 hours ago, dgambill said: I believe Archie is on a bigger fish (Morton) and knows Leel is a lock if he offers...so we will wait to see how the Morton offer turns out. Not sure Archie would take Leel if he gets Morton given the roster makeup. Leal isn’t a lock if offered. Stanford is a serious contender here Leal is a very bright guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 28 minutes ago, HoosierKix said: Leal isn’t a lock if offered. Stanford is a serious contender here Leal is a very bright guy Kid is a lock...he can go to grad school at Stanford. He has been going to IU games since he was knee high to a grasshopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierKix Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 6 hours ago, dgambill said: Kid is a lock...he can go to grad school at Stanford. He has been going to IU games since he was knee high to a grasshopper. Just because guys grew up IU fans doesn't mean they will automatically jump at the chance to play. If he sees a better opportunity for himself then he might take it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent14 Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 12 hours ago, HoosierKix said: Just because guys grew up IU fans doesn't mean they will automatically jump at the chance to play. If he sees a better opportunity for himself then he might take it Yes, there is a 5 star named Boogie Ellis who grew and a UNC fan and said Carolina was his dream school and ended up going to Duke, still don't understand how you can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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