addictedtoIU Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 11 hours ago, HSRecruitingNews said: Yes, there is a 5 star named Boogie Ellis who grew and a UNC fan and said Carolina was his dream school and ended up going to Duke, still don't understand how you can do that. I would venture to guess Michael Jordan didn't give him a hug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuthruandthru Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 I think it’s time to offer this kid. This is the kind of kid that IU has not recruited over the last few years and then would be included in threads about how we wish he was on the team as he lights it up at another school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsidehoosier Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 This kid will Jordan Bohannon us if we don't get him. I'm confident in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierKix Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 hours ago, southsidehoosier said: This kid will Jordan Bohannon us if we don't get him. I'm confident in that. I doubt that because I don’t see him going to a Big Ten school if he doesn’t go to IU but who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsidehoosier Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 1:51 PM, HoosierKix said: I doubt that because I don’t see him going to a Big Ten school if he doesn’t go to IU but who knows He's taking an unofficial Michigan State so he could end up in the B1G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 1:51 PM, HoosierKix said: I doubt that because I don’t see him going to a Big Ten school if he doesn’t go to IU but who knows He currently has offers from Northwestern, Maryland, Iowa, and is taking a visit to Michigan State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 I will be honest this one baffles me. Ii know there are many that know more about basketball than I do, but this kid IMO screams IU and what we are missing currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: I will be honest this one baffles me. Ii know there are many that know more about basketball than I do, but this kid IMO screams IU and what we are missing currently. Here's my thought. Given the incredible recruiting we've witnessed from this staff so far my guess is there is an understanding. Maybe like we really like you but we want you to go out and take your visits. Give yourself time to compare. It's a solid non pressure approach and at the same time it buys us (our staff) time to figure out the class balance and roster. Didn't think I would say this 2 years later but I think Archie will have one of his busiest April's ever determining roster, class balance, recruiting and who is leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Here's my thought. Given the incredible recruiting we've witnessed from this staff so far my guess is there is an understanding. Maybe like we really like you but we want you to go out and take your visits. Give yourself time to compare. It's a solid non pressure approach and at the same time it buys us (our staff) time to figure out the class balance and roster. Didn't think I would say this 2 years later but I think Archie will have one of his busiest April's ever determining roster, class balance, recruiting and who is leaving. You are right on all accounts, but how often to you truly get guys that want to be Hoosiers. Most want what we have to offer which I think is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Billingsley99 said: You are right on all accounts, but how often to you truly get guys that want to be Hoosiers. Most want what we have to offer which I think is different. Understand and appreciate that. I just think Archie is going to approach some situations a tad more cautiously until it plays itself out on his timeline. Not the players. Unless of course it's a sure fire 5 star guy. To me it sets the tone right away of who is in charge of program. Crean offered about 100 guys per class and was criticized (rightfully so). Archie is selective and I like that approach. Make our offers worth something again. Even the local kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Maybe it's so the kid works his butt off this year and next and doesn't ride the easy train to IU knowing he is already in. He is a quality player for sure...but he isn't a mcdonalds all American or anything. Kid has things he needs to work on....we like him...he likes us but if we offer now maybe he doesn't do the work we would like to see him do to come into IU ready to contribute. Yes there are some kids so talented we don't want to wait to offer but this kid has work to be done...so yes in the mean time we can continue to kick tires on all these other talented kids and not be locked into a specific player...just in case a Romeo situation occurs and a 5 star falls into our recruiting laps when something happens at another school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 I find it hard to believe that the staff would let a top 100 player in our own back yard go somewhere else. I do trust our staff and if he does not end up a Hoosier, I believe there is a good reason for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 54 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: I find it hard to believe that the staff would let a top 100 player in our own back yard go somewhere else. I do trust our staff and if he does not end up a Hoosier, I believe there is a good reason for it. I wish he could reclassify to 2019. I think we're going to have 2-3 transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: I wish he could reclassify to 2019. I think we're going to have 2-3 transfers. I dont think he is quite ready. another year will do him a lot of good. I don't think our staff is ready to make that commitment either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cohete15 Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Billingsley99 said: I find it hard to believe that the staff would let a top 100 player in our own back yard go somewhere else. I do trust our staff and if he does not end up a Hoosier, I believe there is a good reason for it. The interesting thing about Leal is this...I had an exchange with Brian Snow (we can all have our opinions of him, but he does watch these guys in person). Brian said the following things about Ethan Morton...who we and the staff all love... "He doesn't have athleticism......" "Dakota Mathias has much more athleticism than Ethan" "Yes, Morton can shoot. He is very skilled, just not athletic, and is really going to struggle on defense." Also in regards to Morton's shooting, "Average right now, with the potential to be good" "Leal is much more equipped to defend than Morton is, and is a better shooter. Morton is a much better passer, and ball handler, and bigger and longer. Leal is a better athlete than Morton" When I asked Brian...if Leal is better at everything that Archie seems to value the most, defense and athleticism...AND is the better shooter...then why are we hot on Morton and not Leal. In classic Snow fashion, he responded with... "Because the head coach likes Morton's strengths and weaknesses better than he likes Leal's strengths and weaknesses." Just an interesting tidbit to keep in mind as we discuss Leal and Morton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, cohete15 said: The interesting thing about Leal is this...I had an exchange with Brian Snow (we can all have our opinions of him, but he does watch these guys in person). Brian said the following things about Ethan Morton...who we and the staff all love... "He doesn't have athleticism......" "Dakota Mathias has much more athleticism than Ethan" "Yes, Morton can shoot. He is very skilled, just not athletic, and is really going to struggle on defense." Also in regards to Morton's shooting, "Average right now, with the potential to be good" "Leal is much more equipped to defend than Morton is, and is a better shooter. Morton is a much better passer, and ball handler, and bigger and longer. Leal is a better athlete than Morton" When I asked Brian...if Leal is better at everything that Archie seems to value the most, defense and athleticism...AND is the better shooter...then why are we hot on Morton and not Leal. In classic Snow fashion, he responded with... "Because the head coach likes Morton's strengths and weaknesses better than he likes Leal's strengths and weaknesses." Just an interesting tidbit to keep in mind as we discuss Leal and Morton. I like both and think both can help us. I have not seen both of them live so I can't say if Snow is correct or not. From what I have seen I don't feel that athleticism will be an issue with Morton. I really appreciate you sharing that with us. Its always nice to get input from those that do this type of thing for a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty02 Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 Not really sure there is a huge rush.....seems like something that will come into focus over the summer with Morton/Leal. Seems clear now that Archie is going to be very judicious when it comes to handing out offers, which is as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 1:03 PM, HSRecruitingNews said: Yes, there is a 5 star named Boogie Ellis who grew and a UNC fan and said Carolina was his dream school and ended up going to Duke, still don't understand how you can do that. I can think of a few thou$and way$. Zion wanted 2 houses and a bunch of cash from one school and ended up at Duke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 11 hours ago, cohete15 said: The interesting thing about Leal is this...I had an exchange with Brian Snow (we can all have our opinions of him, but he does watch these guys in person). Brian said the following things about Ethan Morton...who we and the staff all love... "He doesn't have athleticism......" "Dakota Mathias has much more athleticism than Ethan" "Yes, Morton can shoot. He is very skilled, just not athletic, and is really going to struggle on defense." Also in regards to Morton's shooting, "Average right now, with the potential to be good" "Leal is much more equipped to defend than Morton is, and is a better shooter. Morton is a much better passer, and ball handler, and bigger and longer. Leal is a better athlete than Morton" When I asked Brian...if Leal is better at everything that Archie seems to value the most, defense and athleticism...AND is the better shooter...then why are we hot on Morton and not Leal. In classic Snow fashion, he responded with... "Because the head coach likes Morton's strengths and weaknesses better than he likes Leal's strengths and weaknesses." Just an interesting tidbit to keep in mind as we discuss Leal and Morton. Thanks for the input but I think Snow is full of it. Everything I’ve seen and read on Morton is that he is one of the best recruits to come out of Pennsylvania in a while. He plays up a year in AAU and can do everything well. Yes he might not be as good a 3pt shooter as Leal but the kid is bigger and nothing I’ve seen on video says he isn’t a great athlete. Dakota Mathias is his floor imo....the kid is on the verge of becoming a 5* and he is being offered by everyone. I don’t have a problem with Leal but I don’t think Snow knows what he is talking about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, dgambill said: Thanks for the input but I think Snow is full of it. Everything I’ve seen and read on Morton is that he is one of the best recruits to come out of Pennsylvania in a while. He plays up a year in AAU and can do everything well. Yes he might not be as good a 3pt shooter as Leal but the kid is bigger and nothing I’ve seen on video says he isn’t a great athlete. Dakota Mathias is his floor imo....the kid is on the verge of becoming a 5* and he is being offered by everyone. I don’t have a problem with Leal but I don’t think Snow knows what he is talking about here. Sorry but Morton isn’t bigger. Leal is 6’5 195 and Morton is 6’5 180. So actually they are roughly the same size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Btw.. did some snooping. Didnt realize how many of the 2020s in the state play on Indiana Elite together. Kind of cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 16 hours ago, DC2345 said: Sorry but Morton isn’t bigger. Leal is 6’5 195 and Morton is 6’5 180. So actually they are roughly the same size. Ok. USA basketball had him listed at 6’6 205 updated in January...the recruiting web sites had him listed all over from 6’1 to 6’6 and Leal 6’2-6’4 that I saw...but yes roughly the same size....but what I’ve seen Morton do with the ball...he is far more than a shooting and defensive specialist like Mathias...kid runs his team and point...does it all and looks much quicker with the ball in his hands than Leal when attacking..jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, dgambill said: Ok. USA basketball had him listed at 6’6 205 updated in January...the recruiting web sites had him listed all over from 6’1 to 6’6 and Leal 6’2-6’4 that I saw...but yes roughly the same size....but what I’ve seen Morton do with the ball...he is far more than a shooting and defensive specialist like Mathias...kid runs his team and point...does it all and looks much quicker with the ball in his hands than Leal when attacking..jmo. That I agree with. Morton is more of a scorer that can facilitate while Leal is just a scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, DC2345 said: That I agree with. Morton is more of a scorer that can facilitate while Leal is just a scorer. Yeah two very different players but I just don’t see Leal being more athletic was all...Morton is very good with the ball in his hands in getting where he needs to and quickly and he rebounds well too. I know Purdue people keep pushing Mathias but I see so much more. This is his sophomore highlights and he has dropped over 50 this year in a game and has a very rigid workout regime to get stronger and more explosive...he is actually in the gym working on his strength just as much as his jumper...just relentless worker. https://www.hudl.com/video/3/8859070/5acbcb3396815717181eb536. for 6’5-6’6 he has very tight handles as you can see and wonderful court vision...very unselfish player and can make any pass you want. Trying to think of a IU comparison...honestly closest I can get is Damon Bailey....just a ball player that loves the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 I just coached against Leal. He is veryyyyyyy athletic. Deceiving athletic. I wasnt going to state an opinion on him until I saw him in person. I think IU needs to offer. He did a 360 windmill in warmups. If who ever we're talking about is more athletic than that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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