FW_Hoosier Posted March 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Nice racket. Sounds like may not even have much to do with basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 I'm scanning through the actual filings. I'll post the athletically related incidents. Not all are athletics-related. Some are just straight up college entrance exam fraud. Georgetown women's tennis involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Kid was set up as a fake football player to skirt admissions standards at Southern Cal. No coaches directly involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: Nice racket. Sounds like may not even have much to do with basketball. Yeah, I am starting to think that myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Zlinedavid said: Kid was set up as a fake football player to skirt admissions standards at Southern Cal. No coaches directly involved. How can there not be coaches involved if the kid was on the roster? Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to use athletics to skirt the admission process, the kid has to get a scholarship. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, 5fouls said: How can there not be coaches involved if the kid was on the roster? Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to use athletics to skirt the admission process, the kid has to get a scholarship. Correct? Nope. The term the scammers used was "the side door". No scholarships were ever discussed. But by making it seem as if the kids had somewhat of an athletic background, they could be admitted according to "athletic standards" and not "normal student standards". Then after the kids were admitted, they or someone would say the kid suffered an injury and wouldn't participate in their "sport" that year. And after that, so long as the kid's grades were ok, nobody bothered checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, Zlinedavid said: Nope. The term the scammers used was "the side door". No scholarships were ever discussed. But by making it seem as if the kids had somewhat of an athletic background, they could be admitted according to "athletic standards" and not "normal student standards". Then after the kids were admitted, they or someone would say the kid suffered an injury and wouldn't participate in their "sport" that year. And after that, so long as the kid's grades were ok, nobody bothered checking. OK. In that case, my son is going to wrestle at Stanford and my daughter is going to play lacrosse at Duke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Lori Loughlin's daughter set up as participating in crew, despite never having done so before. Direct bribe to Donna Heinel, Senior Women's Associate AD at Southern Cal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 I know my daughter got letters about joining the rowing team at IU and she never rowed in her life. I don't know if this is the kind of thing that is going on but I always thought it was weird for her to get letters about the rowing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 USC women's water polo coach involved, along with previously mentioned AAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: I'm scanning through the actual filings. I'll post the athletically related incidents. Not all are athletics-related. Some are just straight up college entrance exam fraud. Georgetown women's tennis involved. True. However, this came out of a continuing investigation. That started about a year ago. This.... is just the tip of the ice burg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, milehiiu said: True. However, this came out of a continuing investigation. That started about a year ago. This.... is just the tip of the ice burg. Oh yes. In reading through these cases, it's very obvious that these are just the ones being brought to light right now. The way these schemes were executed were so precise and polished, you can tell they have been perfected over a long period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 USC men's water polo, similar scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Another USC men's water polo. Scammers photoshopped the kid's face onto a water polo player's photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierinbham Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 45 minutes ago, milehiiu said: The FBI NEEDS to check on the recruitments of Derrick Rose (someone else, taking his qualifying exams ), and Eric Bledsoe ( No way he could quality, IMHO) Both are part of what the FBI is accusing others schools of today. Also... FBI talking about tax fraud. The Bledsoe scandal was unimaginably bad. We've all heard the surface details, and read the public information about ridiculously acing Algebra II after failing Algebra I. But it was even worse from what I've been told by teachers and coaches VERY familiar with the situation. People lost their careers over it. Incredible nothing ever happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted March 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, 5fouls said: OK. In that case, my son is going to wrestle at Stanford and my daughter is going to play lacrosse at Duke. Stanford wrestling actually just won their first ever PAC-12 title this past weekend. Good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Cliffs Notes: Southern Cal was by far the most implicated. No high profile coaches involved. Lots of "donations" made their way to/through Donna Heinel, Senior Women's Associate AD. None of the kids would ever participate in sports, but they would be passed off as athletes in order to meet lower academic standards. At least 8 cases involved Heinel. And by my estimate, at least $1M in bribes. At least 2 for Georgetown tennis. Edit: I feel bad for the kids involved, because some weren't even aware of these schemes. They were just going to where their parents told them to take their ACT/SAT. That said, the actions of the parents are absolutely disgusting. They couldn't deal with the thought of their kids going to a "normal" university, so they buy their way in. Loughlin was even quoted as saying in reference to her daughter "....to get her accepted into someplace other than ASU!". What....Arizona State not prestigious enough to support your ego? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 An interesting subplot is that no one was willing to pay a bribe to get their kid into Purdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 56 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I know my daughter got letters about joining the rowing team at IU and she never rowed in her life. I don't know if this is the kind of thing that is going on but I always thought it was weird for her to get letters about the rowing team. My daughter graduated from Ft. Wayne Snider, which has had a very successful football program. Her name is Jodie, so could conceivably be considered a boy. We received a nice recruiting letter from Manchester College suggesting that she would look great wearing their black and gold. I called and informed the AD that we really appreciated the offer but that I highly doubted they would want my 5" 105 lb daughter playing for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Zlinedavid said: Oh yes. In reading through these cases, it's very obvious that these are just the ones being brought to light right now. The way these schemes were executed were so precise and polished, you can tell they have been perfected over a long period of time. I would love to have the FBI check into all that World Wide Wes did.... when he thought he was untouchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoHoosier Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, FW_Hoosier said: Nice racket. Sounds like may not even have much to do with basketball. Save your puns for the OSU pregame thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, milehiiu said: I would love to have the FBI check into all that World Wide Wes did.... when he thought he was untouchable. Haven't heard that name come up for awhile now. And I'll second that recommendation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted March 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, PoHoosier said: Save your puns for the OSU pregame thread! I swear to god, the pun didn’t even occur to me when I wrote that. You guys have infected my brain, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Hoosierinbham said: The Bledsoe scandal was unimaginably bad. We've all heard the surface details, and read the public information about ridiculously acing Algebra II after failing Algebra I. But it was even worse from what I've been told by teachers and coaches VERY familiar with the situation. People lost their careers over it. Incredible nothing ever happened. Yeah I've been talking about that for years now, no way in the world Bledsoe suddenly is an academic genius just in time to qualify to play for Cal. It was blatant, but the NCAA dropped the proverbial ball, again. That Rose had someone sit for his SAT to play for Cal -- i.e., that he was academically ineligible -- which followed Marcus Camby's taking of cash and "services" (including a prostitute) through agents, and who was on academic probation while under Cal at UMASS, among others, is all just so unrelated, Cal's of course squeeky clean. Here's a bit from a NY Times piece: Eventually, the lead tutor, Steve Satell, raised a ruckus about corners cut and papers manufactured for academically troubled athletes. He said he had taken his case to university officials. “Coach Calipari could have created a great academic program, but he ruined it,” Satell told me. “And the university was absolutely complicit.” An Amateur Athletic Union coach in Connecticut who had sent many players to Massachusetts described Calipari’s recruiting philosophy this way: “If you qualify, we want you. If you don’t, we still want you.” (A Boston Herald reporter once asked Coach how he failed to notice that his players were wearing diamond studs. “I don’t walk around carrying these jeweler’s glasses,” Coach replied.) Coach Calipari has proved admirably consistent. At Memphis, he reeled in Derrick Rose, a wondrously talented point guard. Rose, it turned out, passed his SAT because someone else took the test for him. The N.C.A.A. stripped Memphis of a season’s worth of wins. Rose left for the N.B.A., where he should have been allowed to go all along. Calipari said these allegations hit him with the force of revelation. The N.C.A.A., again, held him guiltless. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/sports/ncaabasketball/coach-caliparis-wonderful-life-begin-the-disclaimers.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said: I swear to god, the pun didn’t even occur to me when I wrote that. You guys have infected my brain, lol Swear to God it didnt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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