13th&Jackson Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Calipari has been the victim of a lot of recruiting schemes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, 13th&Jackson said: Calipari has been the victim perpetrator of a lot of recruiting schemes Fixed that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: Swear to God it didnt! Geez, can't believe you actually posted a pic of Blue on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Geez, can't believe you actually posted a pic of Blue on here I had to! State law! I gotta go..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: Calipari has been the victim of a lot of recruiting schemes For years, Calipari was able to hide behind the weak enforcement of the NCAA using culpable deniability, as a defense. To their credit, the NCAA closed that loophole over a years ago. Saying any head coach is responsible for anything that goes on in his program, regardless of whether he knew it or not. Still... the NCAA did not have the power to enforce this edict. Now..... the power of the FBI can come to bear fruit. Only question, I have.... is there a limit of liability, time wise that the FBI is not able to go beyond ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, milehiiu said: For years, Calipari was able to hide behind the weak enforcement of the NCAA using culpable deniability, as a defense. To their credit, the NCAA closed that loophole over a years ago. Saying any head coach is responsible for anything that goes on in his program, regardless of whether he knew it or not. Still... the NCAA did not have the power to enforce this edict. Now..... the power of the FBI can come to bear fruit. Only question, I have.... is there a limit of liability, time wise that the FBI is not able to go beyond ? Statute of limitations. The last I knew it was 7 years for anything but murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Ballin Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 hours ago, 5fouls said: OK. In that case, my son is going to wrestle at Stanford and my daughter is going to play lacrosse at Duke. You might want your daughter to steer clear of the Duke lacrosse team.....just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, rico said: Statute of limitations. The last I knew it was 7 years for anything but murder. Federal SOL for fraud is 10 years if a financial institution is involved, which in situations like this, gives them more than enough leeway to poke around into anything during that period of time. There's also the issue of concurrent jurisdiction. I'm not an attorney, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night either, but from my understanding, many things that the FBI investigates are crimes at both the federal and state level. Meaning, they could be prosecuted at either level. States have varying SOLs on various categories of crimes. For instance, the Indiana state SOL on felonies except murder or other Class A felonies is 5 years. But......in dealing with SOLs, there's also the concept of tolling. Tolling is basically a pause button on the timer. Indiana's SOLs state that the statute tolls (is paused) if the suspect is residing out of state (in some cases, indefinitely). So if no evidence of a crime had come to light, and the suspect never resided in that state, the clock is still at 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Zlinedavid said: Federal SOL for fraud is 10 years if a financial institution is involved, which in situations like this, gives them more than enough leeway to poke around into anything during that period of time. There's also the issue of concurrent jurisdiction. I'm not an attorney, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night either, but from my understanding, many things that the FBI investigates are crimes at both the federal and state level. Meaning, they could be prosecuted at either level. States have varying SOLs on various categories of crimes. For instance, the Indiana state SOL on felonies except murder or other Class A felonies is 5 years. But......in dealing with SOLs, there's also the concept of tolling. Tolling is basically a pause button on the timer. Indiana's SOLs state that the statute tolls (is paused) if the suspect is residing out of state (in some cases, indefinitely). So if no evidence of a crime had come to light, and the suspect never resided in that state, the clock is still at 0. That's kind of the way I have understood the SOL. In other words..... it depends. Remember Mark Adams and the bumper sticker booster issue ? How many years did that go back ? And that was the NCAA, not the FBI. Fact: NCAA went back 20 years on Adams. And that was for $185. Not the millions of dollars we are talking about today. NCAA Upholds IU Basketball Players' Suspensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 30 minutes ago, milehiiu said: That's kind of the way I have understood the SOL. In other words..... it depends. Remember Mark Adams and the bumper sticker booster issue ? How many years did that go back ? And that was the NCAA, not the FBI. Fact: NCAA went back 20 years on Adams. And that was for $185. Not the millions of dollars we are talking about today. NCAA Upholds IU Basketball Players' Suspensions Of course, the NCAA is a private organization which isn't bound by criminal or civil statutes of limitations and can enforce its own rules as it sees fit. Or, as in most cases with the NCAA, not enforce its own rules as it sees fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: Of course, the NCAA is a private organization which isn't bound by criminal or civil statutes of limitations and can enforce its own rules as it sees fit. Or, as in most cases with the NCAA, not enforce its own rules as it sees fit. Yes. Very true. However, based on current events... not necessarily BB related.... I get the feeling that the FBI feels they can also write their rules in terms of what qualities as SOL or not. Loving this discussion I am having with you right now. In the end....as I posted earlier..... I think Tuesday's events are merely the tip of the ice burg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, milehiiu said: Yes. Very true. However, based on current events... not necessarily BB related.... I get the feeling that the FBI feels they can also write their rules in terms of what qualities as SOL or not. Loving this discussion I am having with you right now. In the end....as I posted earlier..... I think Tuesday's events are merely the tip of the ice burg. As was described to me, the FBI has a set of boundaries. Those boundaries are more akin to saran wrap than they are bricks though. Might be able to see and hear things outside those boundaries, and they do have some flexibility, but they do have limits/breaking points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 And its on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parakeet Jones Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, Indykev said: And its on.... Can a handful of teams get a post season ban by 6:00 on Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopsta007 Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 So someone with more legal background offer insight but could IU and others seek legal retribution and damages against schools found to be engaging in bribery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, hoopsta007 said: So someone with more legal background offer insight but could IU and others seek legal retribution and damages against schools found to be engaging in bribery? Interesting angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBQ Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, hoopsta007 said: So someone with more legal background offer insight but could IU and others seek legal retribution and damages against schools found to be engaging in bribery? Has IU actually been mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Parakeet Jones said: Can a handful of teams get a post season ban by 6:00 on Sunday? If I was KU, I would self impose sanctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, rico said: If I was KU, I would self impose sanctions. Nope, no way. UNC provided the blueprint. Deny, deny, deny and lawyer up to the hilt. Regardless how guilty a program might be, never, ever admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 Field may be 32 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, BeerBQ said: Has IU actually been mentioned? I think you misunderstood the question. He's asking if schools not paying players could sue the cheaters for an un-level playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Indykev said: Field may be 32 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 Please let this be BIG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Nope, no way. UNC provided the blueprint. Deny, deny, deny and lawyer up to the hilt. Regardless how guilty a program might be, never, ever admit it. Completely different situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 Hmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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