Hoosierhoopster Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 8 hours ago, Zlinedavid said: "Yep, that's right...look right over there....you'll find it...." - John Calipari Sounds about as bad as it could be. however it is Book Richardson telling Dawkins what he says Miller did — not that I don’t believe it at this point — but that’s hearsay and it’s, well, Richardson. Would imagine Sean will continue to deny unless / until they get a recording of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCPA Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 It sure seems that what is keeping this from being an open and shut case is the lack of proof. I know a pretty easy way to get around it - the players and their families should be audited. They'll start singing like birds when they realize they're going to jail instead of the NBA. Despite what my username may indicate, I'm not a tax accountant, so unsure of the laws surrounding this. I do know that's how Capone finally got busted when they couldn't find hard evidence, so I would think the same would apply here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, HoosierCPA said: It sure seems that what is keeping this from being an open and shut case is the lack of proof. I know a pretty easy way to get around it - the players and their families should be audited. They'll start singing like birds when they realize they're going to jail instead of the NBA. Despite what my username may indicate, I'm not a tax accountant, so unsure of the laws surrounding this. I do know that's how Capone finally got busted when they couldn't find hard evidence, so I would think the same would apply here. Follow the money..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, HoosierCPA said: I do know that's how Capone finally got busted when they couldn't find hard evidence, so I would think the same would apply here. You can fool the SEC, ATF, whoever else. You don't $%^& with the IRS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 While I would love for these cheaters to be taken down, the problem is the IRS is severely under-staffed at this time and would likely put this type of thing way down the to-do list. Maybe if the FBI requested it, but it seems the FBI is content with taking down who they are currently after. Miller and Wade didn't even have to testify, so it seems they aren't in too much danger (yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted May 3, 2019 Report Share Posted May 3, 2019 https://apple.news/ArykUygIbTbGFkGyIoc_ZHg Long article, but worth the time to read. Explains why it’s not an open and shut case regarding either Sean Miller or Wade. Universities have to have iron clad evidence to fire a coach for fear that the coach will lawyer up and sue the school. Not as simple as we , as outsiders, would like to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 11 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: https://apple.news/ArykUygIbTbGFkGyIoc_ZHg Long article, but worth the time to read. Explains why it’s not an open and shut case regarding either Sean Miller or Wade. Universities have to have iron clad evidence to fire a coach for fear that the coach will lawyer up and sue the school. Not as simple as we , as outsiders, would like to see. Been saying some of the same this whole trial. Good article. This cut/paste part I believe is very, very important. To us it should seem pretty cut and dry he should be gone. Cut and dry and firing someone when millions is on the line isn't always black and white. Arizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderMonkey Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 NCAA Investigation launched into Arizona men's basketball program. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26668686/ncaa-launches-investigation-arizona-program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 31 minutes ago, SpiderMonkey said: NCAA Investigation launched into Arizona men's basketball program. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26668686/ncaa-launches-investigation-arizona-program About time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 I assume LSU should be close behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 17 hours ago, FKIM01 said: I assume LSU should be close behind. Rule 1: Never assume the NCAA will pursue the logical or obvious course of action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muckraker Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 23 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: Rule 1: Never assume the NCAA will pursue the logical or obvious course of action. Rule #2... See rule #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danomatic Posted May 7, 2019 Report Share Posted May 7, 2019 What I don’t understand is how recruits are still flocking to these schools, knowing that there’s a solid chance that the NCAA will throw sanctions on those schools. Perhaps they(the schools) don’t care and are still forking over money anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parakeet Jones Posted May 7, 2019 Report Share Posted May 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, Danomatic said: What I don’t understand is how recruits are still flocking to these schools, knowing that there’s a solid chance that the NCAA will throw sanctions on those schools. Perhaps they(the schools) don’t care and are still forking over money anyway? If I was a recruit who was really interested in one of those schools, I wouldn’t rule them out until the NCAA actually shows some stones and hits someone hard with sanctions. Personally, I’m in complete “I’ll believe it when I see it mode” with that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted May 7, 2019 Report Share Posted May 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, Parakeet Jones said: If I was a recruit who was really interested in one of those schools, I wouldn’t rule them out until the NCAA actually shows some stones and hits someone hard with sanctions. Personally, I’m in complete “I’ll believe it when I see it mode” with that happening. That is the mentality. In the eye of the recruit there is no such thing as bad publicity. Look how much exposure these teams get already and will continue to. Most are not in college to win a championship its a transition to the next level. In all honesty what do the recruits have to lose? If you get a post season ban and you are a 1 and done the tournament is one less thing to worry about. The coaches at these schools are arrogant enough to say until they do something about it I will continue to bring in the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 7, 2019 Report Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: That is the mentality. In the eye of the recruit there is no such thing as bad publicity. Look how much exposure these teams get already and will continue to. Most are not in college to win a championship its a transition to the next level. In all honesty what do the recruits have to lose? If you get a post season ban and you are a 1 and done the tournament is one less thing to worry about. The coaches at these schools are arrogant enough to say until they do something about it I will continue to bring in the best I say the number of players you are describing is probably around 25 kids a year that is only worried about the NBA and not their college team The sure fire one and done players really don't care what the program is going through because they know they will be gone before anything hits. If I was not a sure fire one and done player then I would look closely at the type of program I am looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted May 7, 2019 Report Share Posted May 7, 2019 Just now, IU Scott said: I say the number of players you are describing is probably around 25 kids a year that is only worried about the NBA and not their college team The sure fire one and done players really don't care what the program is going through because they know they will be gone before anything hits. If I was not a sure fire one and done player then I would look closely at the type of program I am looking at. Even if you are not a OAD but go to one of the NBA factories you will get looks. The schools involved with this cheating are getting 10X the publicity as we are. Even if there is a chance the hammer could fall down the road for many of these kids its worth the risk. If Penny lands this monster class they will become an ESPN darling with a great story. The 7th and 8th men on that team will get plenty of exposure. Most 4 star players and above probably have goals of playing professionally so why not go the the programs that give you the best chance to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted May 7, 2019 Report Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Billingsley99 said: Even if you are not a OAD but go to one of the NBA factories you will get looks. The schools involved with this cheating are getting 10X the publicity as we are. Even if there is a chance the hammer could fall down the road for many of these kids its worth the risk. If Penny lands this monster class they will become an ESPN darling with a great story. The 7th and 8th men on that team will get plenty of exposure. Most 4 star players and above probably have goals of playing professionally so why not go the the programs that give you the best chance to do so. Only one way for the NCAA to combat this: Go SMU on them. Media ban. Hit 'em where it hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted May 7, 2019 Report Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: Only one way for the NCAA to combat this: Go SMU on them. Media ban. Hit 'em where it hurts. We all know that wont happen. So for those schools CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT, DENY DENY DENY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 https://apple.news/ASjmF92fjQKKlrdfNAqoBUw Not sure if there is another thread for this. Looks like De Sousa wins his appeal and is eligible to play next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 This whole thing provides an excellent roadmap for schools on how to cheat and not to get caught. Even when they get caught red handed, there's a clear path how to get out of the trouble. NCAA is nothing but a party planner. They plan the March Madness every year for handsome fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad B Posted May 29, 2019 Report Share Posted May 29, 2019 Idaho just became the new Cleveland State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted May 29, 2019 Report Share Posted May 29, 2019 16 minutes ago, Chad B said: Idaho just became the new Cleveland State. Ncaa goes after the little fish while the sharks swim free. https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/5/29/18644645/idaho-head-coach-don-verlin-placed-on-paid-leave-amid-potential-ncaa-violations Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 29, 2019 Report Share Posted May 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, Chad B said: Idaho just became the new Cleveland State. https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/may/28/idaho-basketball-coach-don-verlin-on-administrativ/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted May 29, 2019 Report Share Posted May 29, 2019 ^^^ Wait. Wait. After going 5-27, a HC gets placed on admin suspension ? For recruiting violations ? He should be fired on two counts, not placed on paid leave. For being bad at recruiting. And finishing 5-27. I know they have turmoil there. But someone has got to be in charge to do what needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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