IUfaninIllinois Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, milehiiu said: Saint Louis Billikens launch Title IX investigation in wake of sex assault allegations ive tried listening to local radio and talking to some people but they are keeping a tight tight lid on who is involved. I'm going to try to use some more resources and figure out if I can see whose involved! stay tuned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach1K Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, milehiiu said: Saint Louis Billikens launch Title IX investigation in wake of sex assault allegations And here I always thought Title IX was about sports and having equal numbers and many other things but I never knew that Title IX covered things like this. You never truly understand the process until you have seen someone go through the Title IX investigation and appeal process which I have witnessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie Dampier#10 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 On 10/9/2017 at 10:26 AM, cybergates said: I would think taking all scholarships away for x number of years would be as close to death penalty as possible. They don't kill the program, but with no scholarships the program would field a team of walk ons and be terrible for those years. hmmmm, sounds familiar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Louie Dampier#10 said: hmmmm, sounds familiar All too familiar, as Crean pulled from the baseball team, and even played a manger. By the way. I like your username. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie Dampier#10 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, milehiiu said: All too familiar, as Crean pulled from the baseball team, and even played a manger. By the way. I like your username. Thanks Mile, Louie is my uncle. Great role model to have growing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Sorry to get into the semantics of all this again, but it wasn't the phone calls or the NCAA that took all the scholarship players away from IU. People always think IU got hammered by the NCAA, but they really didn't. Kelvin Sampson is the one who ruined IU, and not because of phone calls or NCAA penalties, but because he paid no attention to things like character, the drug policy and academics. If Kelvin Sampson had fielded a high-character team full of guys with good academic standing and no drug violations, Crean would have ketp them all and taken over a great situation. The NCAA didn't kick guys like Eli Holman, Jordan Crawford, etc. off the team and make guys like Armon Bassett transfer. The NCAA didn't really do that much to IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 51 minutes ago, Louie Dampier#10 said: Thanks Mile, Louie is my uncle. Great role model to have growing up. Your uncle is 2 years my senior. I started following him while the both of us were in high school. Albeit, I was in Gary, and he was in Indianapolis at that time.Then years later, I followed him when he was an assistant coach for the Denver Nuggets. During your uncle's playing years, as I am sure you are aware, but others may not know.... he was one of the premiere scorers in all of basketball. George Girvin once said something like..... it didn't matter, where Louie was.... he could shoot the lights out. ______________________________________ And Gleas... you are right. IU self-sanctioned, and the NCAA went along with the self-emposed sanctions, with the exception of adding one additional loss of a scholarship, if memory serves correctly. And yes. Crean and I believe Dak kicked guys off the team. It was Dak that finally got Sampson to suspend players on a rotating basis, after they went awol from the game held in Chicago, and coming back and not passing drug tests. That had nothing to do with the NCAA. In Jordan Crawford's case, I remember him being upset with Dak for making guys run the stairs. And fresh in my mind is a You Tube video, of Jordan still a member of the team and getting reading to have a meeting with Crean. Crean really tried to keep Crawford on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, BGleas said: Sorry to get into the semantics of all this again, but it wasn't the phone calls or the NCAA that took all the scholarship players away from IU. People always think IU got hammered by the NCAA, but they really didn't. Kelvin Sampson is the one who ruined IU, and not because of phone calls or NCAA penalties, but because he paid no attention to things like character, the drug policy and academics. If Kelvin Sampson had fielded a high-character team full of guys with good academic standing and no drug violations, Crean would have ketp them all and taken over a great situation. The NCAA didn't kick guys like Eli Holman, Jordan Crawford, etc. off the team and make guys like Armon Bassett transfer. The NCAA didn't really do that much to IU. Right - IU self-reported, and then self-disciplined. Can you imagine UNC doing either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderMonkey Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Louie Dampier#10 said: Thanks Mile, Louie is my uncle. Great role model to have growing up. Very cool. I am a Southport grad and always admired what he did coming out of Southport. Seems like a super nice guy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 CRAWFORD | It's complicated: Tom Jurich's Louisville legacy, and - WDRB 41 Louisville News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuckerkorn Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Louie Dampier#10 said: Thanks Mile, Louie is my uncle. Great role model to have growing up. Interesting. When I was in grade school (Southport Elem.) my bus driver was Bill Dampier (Louie's brother or cousin?). Bill's wife Wilma drove the bus on occasion. I have neighbors that used to be related to Louie by marriage (Hibners). I got to play a little 2 on 2 against Louie and Gus around 1979. Also had Blackie Braden in the same neighborhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OGIUAndy Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 5 hours ago, BGleas said: Sorry to get into the semantics of all this again, but it wasn't the phone calls or the NCAA that took all the scholarship players away from IU. People always think IU got hammered by the NCAA, but they really didn't. Kelvin Sampson is the one who ruined IU, and not because of phone calls or NCAA penalties, but because he paid no attention to things like character, the drug policy and academics. If Kelvin Sampson had fielded a high-character team full of guys with good academic standing and no drug violations, Crean would have ketp them all and taken over a great situation. The NCAA didn't kick guys like Eli Holman, Jordan Crawford, etc. off the team and make guys like Armon Bassett transfer. The NCAA didn't really do that much to IU. I agree with this whole heartedly. I believe this is really what Crean was referring to when he blasted Jeff Meyer. Those guys let sh*t get out of hand by recruiting kids with questionable character. Those "student" athletes ruined the program as much as anything else. It would be interesting to sit down with E. Gordon to hear him speak on the situation at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 29 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said: I agree with this whole heartedly. I believe this is really what Crean was referring to when he blasted Jeff Meyer. Those guys let sh*t get out of hand by recruiting kids with questionable character. Those "student" athletes ruined the program as much as anything else. It would be interesting to sit down with E. Gordon to hear him speak on the situation at the time. Clearly, Crean had issues with how the program was being run, before he took over the reigns at IU. Most of us still feel to this day, that Crean knew more than he ever let off. Dak, on the other hand, regardless of what we think of him today.... expressed his disgust, then and to this day as to how the program was being run, under Sampson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Interesting article that includes quotes from Colorado coach Tad Boyle and Georgia coach Mark Fox. Boyle is more direct in the article, but both comment on losing players due to money being paid, and Boyle goes as far to say that he stops recruiting a kid if certain schools get involved. I've said this several times, and I realize big repercussions would come from doing it, but until someone like Boyle puts his career on the line and names names, then we're relying on the FBI to continue to pursue this hard if we want any real change. It actually kind of bothers me when Boyle, and guys like Izzo and Crean who have both done it, come out with these veiled accusations. If you're so mad and upset about it, then do something about it. I'm not saying it would be easy, or that it wouldn't severely impact their careers, but it's going to take someone that knows the players and in's/outs to come out and blow this up. https://sports.yahoo.com/coaches-say-must-happen-federal-probe-incite-meaningful-change-131708543.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 29 minutes ago, BGleas said: Interesting article that includes quotes from Colorado coach Tad Boyle and Georgia coach Mark Fox. Boyle is more direct in the article, but both comment on losing players due to money being paid, and Boyle goes as far to say that he stops recruiting a kid if certain schools get involved. I've said this several times, and I realize big repercussions would come from doing it, but until someone like Boyle puts his career on the line and names names, then we're relying on the FBI to continue to pursue this hard if we want any real change. It actually kind of bothers me when Boyle, and guys like Izzo and Crean who have both done it, come out with these veiled accusations. If you're so mad and upset about it, then do something about it. I'm not saying it would be easy, or that it wouldn't severely impact their careers, but it's going to take someone that knows the players and in's/outs to come out and blow this up. https://sports.yahoo.com/coaches-say-must-happen-federal-probe-incite-meaningful-change-131708543.html So much I could add about Tad Boyle. Former coach of the University of Northern Colorado, in Greeley, Colorado before becoming HC at Colorado. A former player at the University of Kansas, or Kansas University, which ever you want to call it... at the time that Danny Manning was at UK, and his dad as well. Not surprised what Boyle has said. And why Colorado has sucked since they beat IU in the NCAA. Plus a great find Gleas, and thanks for linking it for all of us to share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 FBI investigation sending shockwaves through 2018 recruits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 'Tip of the iceberg': More charges expected this month in college basketball scandal - LA Times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 2 hours ago, milehiiu said: 'Tip of the iceberg': More charges expected this month in college basketball scandal - LA Times 50 coaching jobs might open up? Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I'm really skeptical of these rumors. The FBI isn't leaking. And journalists are getting this info from coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: I'm really skeptical of these rumors. The FBI isn't leaking. And journalists are getting this info from coaches. So true. Unlike the NCAA, the FBI's investigation is successful because they don't have leaks. This all has to be pure speculation, because unless the FBI is personally telling coaches they are being investigated, then I don't believe it until I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 minute ago, tdhoosier said: So true. Unlike the NCAA, the FBI's investigation is successful because they don't have leaks. This all has to be pure speculation, because unless the FBI is personally telling coaches they are being investigated, then I don't believe it until I see it. I'd be careful with that assessment. The recently fired head of the FBI admitted he leaked internal notes (or memos) to a newspaper reporter. While it appears the FBI is keeping a tight lid on this investigation for now, as long as there are humans, there can be leaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBQ Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 42 minutes ago, Mac said: 50 coaching jobs might open up? Yikes. That includes head and assistant coaches. I'd guess that puts it around 15 schools total being involved and each firing 2-4 coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FritzIam4IU Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 32 minutes ago, Indykev said: I wonder if Underwood will be implicated in any wrongdoing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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