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On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 1:21 PM, 5fouls said:

That is a dangerous statement lol.

On topic I just don't get this Kawhi cat. Not taking sides with SA over him or anything but he has totally mishandled this whole thing. Hard to be a leader if a guy never says a word and can't even speak for himself.

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^^ Kawhi's "quietness" has turned into a PR nightmare, but man maybe the guy is just uber shy. He's definitely an odd cat.

That said, some important points by Green on the Spurs' medical staff, second opinions, and Green's serious injury --

he San Antonio Spurs' medical staff has fallen under scrutiny over the past few months because of the quad injury that appears to have been a major cause of Kawhi Leonard requesting a trade from the team before ultimately being dealt to the Toronto Raptors. Leonard left the Spurs last season to work with his own group of specialists, which either was the result of (or led) to much of the tension between the two sides.

Teammate Danny Green will also be making his way to Toronto in the trade, and he recounted a story about the Spurs training staff on the first episode of the "Inside the Green Room with Danny Green" podcast. Green said he suffered a groin strain in a December game against the Boston Celtics, which was never revisited by the Spurs staff. Then, during his exit physical after the season, Green found out that the strain had turned into a full tear.

"I didn't want to [get a second opinion] because I had full faith and belief in the Spurs staff," Green said of his groin injury. "They've always been great to me. They've always done right by me. They've always done a hell of a job. So throughout the season, we monitored it, but we never went back to check on it again, because so many other injuries have happened.

"I could have gotten a second opinion, so I see where Kawhi is coming from when he got his second opinion. Because a lot of time you'll get information from outside sources -- not saying that the Spurs staff is not up to par, it's just that not everybody's a specialist in every area. ... So to go to a guy who may be in Philly to get a second opinion shouldn't hurt.

"End of the season, come to find out -- it could have happened that day or that playoff series against Golden State -- we don't know. So, end of the season I had to get another MRI -- you get your exit physicals -- and the strain was a full tear. Since then I've been rehabbing it, basically, and now they're passing that information on to Toronto. But we don't know how long I've been playing with this strain or how long the tear has happened.

" ... Just because Kawhi went and got a second opinion, you can't knock him for that. Everybody should get a second opinion just to see another perspective."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/former-spurs-guard-danny-green-didnt-know-he-was-playing-through-a-torn-groin-last-season/

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19 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

^^ Kawhi's "quietness" has turned into a PR nightmare, but man maybe the guy is just uber shy. He's definitely an odd cat.

That said, some important points by Green on the Spurs' medical staff, second opinions, and Green's serious injury --

he San Antonio Spurs' medical staff has fallen under scrutiny over the past few months because of the quad injury that appears to have been a major cause of Kawhi Leonard requesting a trade from the team before ultimately being dealt to the Toronto Raptors. Leonard left the Spurs last season to work with his own group of specialists, which either was the result of (or led) to much of the tension between the two sides.

Teammate Danny Green will also be making his way to Toronto in the trade, and he recounted a story about the Spurs training staff on the first episode of the "Inside the Green Room with Danny Green" podcast. Green said he suffered a groin strain in a December game against the Boston Celtics, which was never revisited by the Spurs staff. Then, during his exit physical after the season, Green found out that the strain had turned into a full tear.

"I didn't want to [get a second opinion] because I had full faith and belief in the Spurs staff," Green said of his groin injury. "They've always been great to me. They've always done right by me. They've always done a hell of a job. So throughout the season, we monitored it, but we never went back to check on it again, because so many other injuries have happened.

"I could have gotten a second opinion, so I see where Kawhi is coming from when he got his second opinion. Because a lot of time you'll get information from outside sources -- not saying that the Spurs staff is not up to par, it's just that not everybody's a specialist in every area. ... So to go to a guy who may be in Philly to get a second opinion shouldn't hurt.

"End of the season, come to find out -- it could have happened that day or that playoff series against Golden State -- we don't know. So, end of the season I had to get another MRI -- you get your exit physicals -- and the strain was a full tear. Since then I've been rehabbing it, basically, and now they're passing that information on to Toronto. But we don't know how long I've been playing with this strain or how long the tear has happened.

" ... Just because Kawhi went and got a second opinion, you can't knock him for that. Everybody should get a second opinion just to see another perspective."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/former-spurs-guard-danny-green-didnt-know-he-was-playing-through-a-torn-groin-last-season/

I've got no issues with Kawhi getting a second opinion or him not playing. My issue as an owner is if I want a LEADER on my team...and pay a guy like a leader...I want him to be a communicator.....Kawhi clearly is not that...he won't communicate directly with the staff or heck even his teammates much. It doesn't take much to sit down and talk things over...two man up and say what is bothering you and put rumors to rest and speak for yourself. If you can't do that...imo that makes it very hard to establish a winning culture in your locker room. The Spurs have a winning culture established during the Duncan, Ginobli, Parker years that Kawhi could just do his thing...not sure he can just step into any team and just be him and it be enough.

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3 hours ago, dgambill said:

I've got no issues with Kawhi getting a second opinion or him not playing. My issue as an owner is if I want a LEADER on my team...and pay a guy like a leader...I want him to be a communicator.....Kawhi clearly is not that...he won't communicate directly with the staff or heck even his teammates much. It doesn't take much to sit down and talk things over...two man up and say what is bothering you and put rumors to rest and speak for yourself. If you can't do that...imo that makes it very hard to establish a winning culture in your locker room. The Spurs have a winning culture established during the Duncan, Ginobli, Parker years that Kawhi could just do his thing...not sure he can just step into any team and just be him and it be enough.

Well, thing is, Kawhi is easily a top 5 player and in my and many opinions a top 3 player in the League. He may not be much of a communicator off the court, but he is a FANTASTIC player when healthy. Any and every GM wants him, if healthy. Remember, not one bad thing, of any sort in any way ever came out about Kawhi until this controversy, which started with that idiot at GS deliberately landing on his foot, when the Spurs were torching GS in game 1 of last year's playoffs.

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3 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

Well, thing is, Kawhi is easily a top 5 player and in my and many opinions a top 3 player in the League. He may not be much of a communicator off the court, but he is a FANTASTIC player when healthy. Any and every GM wants him, if healthy. Remember, not one bad thing, of any sort in any way ever came out about Kawhi until this controversy, which started with that idiot at GS deliberately landing on his foot, when the Spurs were torching GS in game 1 of last year's playoffs.

His quad injury happened just before the season. His sprained ankle had nothing do with that. It’s sucks he landed on his foot but we’ve seen it happen to every team. 

Im not hating on Kawhi the player but I have major problem that refuses to speak to his boss and won’t man up and say what he wants or feels and just let’s his handlers leak and undermine his teams position with him and doesn’t support his teammates by cheering them on in the playoffs. Again player one thing...but as an owner I’d have pause to make him the center piece of my team. That’s all. He is an incredible player but let’s be honest...Tim, Tony, and Manu were the LEADERS that won those championships.

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1 hour ago, dgambill said:

His quad injury happened just before the season. His sprained ankle had nothing do with that. It’s sucks he landed on his foot but we’ve seen it happen to every team. 

Im not hating on O the player but I have major problem that refuses to speak to his boss and won’t man up and say what he wants or feels and just let’s his handlers leak and undermine his teams position with him and doesn’t support his teammates by cheering them on in the playoffs. Again player one thing...but as an owner I’d have pause to make him the center piece of my team. That’s all. He is an incredible player but let’s be honest...Tim, Tony, and Manu were the LEADERS that won those championships.

Oh I know when the quad injury happened, but everything really started after that ridiculous dirty play that took him out. Think we'll just agree to disagree here. There was never any issue whatsoever surrounding Kawhi until this saga of separation from the team and the team's docs and his docs having different views. He's been in the League a long time, he's always been both outstanding as a player and an outstanding teammate. All of this just came to a head. There is literally no GM or coach who wouldn't kill to have Kawhi if/when healthy. 

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50 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

Oh I know when the quad injury happened, but everything really started after that ridiculous dirty play that took him out. Think we'll just agree to disagree here. There was never any issue whatsoever surrounding Kawhi until this saga of separation from the team and the team's docs and his docs having different views. He's been in the League a long time, he's always been both outstanding as a player and an outstanding teammate. All of this just came to a head. There is literally no GM or coach who wouldn't kill to have Kawhi if/when healthy. 

Yeah we see it different. Can’t argue he isn’t a great player. Time will tell if he is the answer to a championship for another team. That said the Kawhi of a few years ago might not be the Kawhi we get from here on out.

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I don't have a problem with Kawhi being quiet.  I can still respect someone who is quiet.  Where I lost all respect for Kawhi was the fact that he refused to play last year despite being cleared by the Spurs' doctors.  Where you fall on this gets down to who you believe.  If you believe Kawhi, that's fine.  I don't.  And, because I don't, I see a player who was under contract that decided he didn't want to play for that team any longer.  When you're a free agent you can pick and choose who you play for every year if you want.  But, if you and a team agree on a long term contract, your obligation is to fulfill that contract unless you are physically unable to do so.  

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5 hours ago, 5fouls said:

I don't have a problem with Kawhi being quiet.  I can still respect someone who is quiet.  Where I lost all respect for Kawhi was the fact that he refused to play last year despite being cleared by the Spurs' doctors.  Where you fall on this gets down to who you believe.  If you believe Kawhi, that's fine.  I don't.  And, because I don't, I see a player who was under contract that decided he didn't want to play for that team any longer.  When you're a free agent you can pick and choose who you play for every year if you want.  But, if you and a team agree on a long term contract, your obligation is to fulfill that contract unless you are physically unable to do so.  

Thing is...if the player and the organization disagree if he is healthy...that's one thing...they didn't force him to suit up...they didn't even fine or try to get back the money they paid him. He threw a fit and wanted out of town and his people were angling to get him to LA. He wouldn't even show up and support his team in street clothes. Again...as a player on the court...Kawhi is a baller...plays unselfish and both ends of the floor....but is he going to sell out his teammates and team again....good question...and the fact he doesn't care to build a relationship with the staff just says he is out for himself....so when his priorities shift he might just sell his team out again. Anyways...going to be hard to cheer for the guy or see him in the same light. Toronto is getting a great player...time will tell if he decides he wants to play or sit and force another trade.

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As a Pacers fan, I liked seeing this:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-good-the-bad-and-the-wtf-of-nba-free-agency/

 

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Indiana Pacers

The Pacers were arguably the league’s biggest surprise last season, going from what many analysts figured would be a lottery team after the Paul George trade with Oklahoma City to one win away from knocking out LeBron and the Cavaliers in the first round. An enormous part of that, of course, was Victor Oladipo having a better statistical campaign than George en route to becoming an All-Star and winning the Most Improved Player award.

The other element flew under the radar but was just as integral: Indiana’s offense, gladly taking what the defense gave it, went against the grain and launched far more midrange jump shots than any other club, essentially making the Pacers the antithesis of the Rockets. With a group of decent jump-shooters, the strategy worked. But as a team that doesn’t shoot a ton of threes or get to the line much (Indiana had the NBA’s fifth-lowest 3-point attempt rate and the fifth-worst free-throw rate), the Pacers could have entered the 2018-19 season somewhat vulnerable to opponents who can score in bunches more quickly and efficiently.

But inking perpetual-motion sharpshooter Doug McDermott should make Indiana less predictable and more of a threat from outside. And Tyreke Evans — who has quietly shot nearly 39 percent from the arc over the past three years after shooting about 28 percent in his first six seasons — was a solid, under-the-radar pickup who should be a huge upgrade over Lance Stephenson.

Kyle O’Quinn, who came over for the room exception at one year and $4.5 million, will fit right in with the Pacers’ offensive philosophy; he hit better than 44 percent of his long 2s last season. He can get himself in trouble as a playmaker, but he’ll be a more-than-adequate backup to Myles Turner or Domantas Sabonis.

Almost no analyst will pick the Pacers to land a top-three seed in the East. But should the Celtics, Raptors or Sixers struggle out of the gate, it wouldn’t be that surprising if Indiana did just that. The Pacers finished just outside the top 10 last season in both offensive and defensive efficiency — a hint that they weren’t far from contention. If things break right for them this year, they could reach that level with their improved roster.

 

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Pelton gives the Pacers a B- for its offseason moves. Seems a bit low.

Indiana Pacers: B-

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After beating low expectations last season, the Pacers weren't content to stand pat and added to their bench in free agency while maintaining flexibility for next season. Alas, the one long-term deal Indiana handed out to forward Doug McDermott (three years, $22 million) looks like an overpay given McDermott's defensive shortcomings.

However, a one-year, $12 million deal for Tyreke Evans could be one of the summer's better values, and Kyle O'Quinn (one year, $4.45 million) is an upgrade over Al Jefferson as backup center.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/24512758/nba-offseason-grades-best-draft-free-agency-trade-moves-east

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