Zlinedavid Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 13 hours ago, Seeking6 said: Just a question. Given your history and experience....how in the hell is Mack suggesting anything to kids these days with additional sanctions coming?? The NCAA issues sanctions to schools bigger than St. Cloud State? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Louisville is the poster program for desperation to win at all costs. They abandoned all integrity in favor of an all out assault on winning. The state of Kentucky doesn’t have pro sports and Louisville as a metropolitan area needs University of Louisville basketball to fill the void. Beyond that, without sports, no one would ever pay attention to the school. As a student, personally, I never would have considered Louisville in any way, shape or form. And it’s campus is a joke (I’ve been there). You’d need a decompression chamber to go between IU as an institution and campus versus Louisville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, BobSaccamanno said: Louisville is the poster program for desperation to win at all costs. They abandoned all integrity in favor of an all out assault on winning. The state of Kentucky doesn’t have pro sports and Louisville as a metropolitan area needs University of Louisville basketball to fill the void. Beyond that, without sports, no one would ever pay attention to the school. As a student, personally, I never would have considered Louisville in any way, shape or form. And it’s campus is a joke (I’ve been there). You’d need a decompression chamber to go between IU as an institution and campus versus Louisville. Spot on. Academically they are last in the ACC and it isn’t even close. If they don’t bring money and prestige from sports, they have no value to a major conference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 16 hours ago, Seeking6 said: Just a question. Given your history and experience....how in the hell is Mack suggesting anything to kids these days with additional sanctions coming?? He's telling them to not go to Cleveland State. The NCAA has to drop the hammer on someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 9 hours ago, 13th&Jackson said: Spot on. Academically they are last in the ACC and it isn’t even close. If they don’t bring money and prestige from sports, they have no value to a major conference http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/ Louisville generates a ton of revenue....the #1 school in the ACC even outpacing Clemson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierinbham Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 37 minutes ago, dgambill said: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/ Louisville generates a ton of revenue....the #1 school in the ACC even outpacing Clemson. Isn't a big chunk of that the revenue from the Yum Center that they raped the city of Louisville to build and pay for, yet the University controls? Could be wrong, but thought the city suffered major financial repercussions, while the university has reaped the financial windfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Hoosierinbham said: Isn't a big chunk of that the revenue from the Yum Center that they raped the city of Louisville to build and pay for, yet the University controls? Could be wrong, but thought the city suffered major financial repercussions, while the university has reaped the financial windfall. I think a lot is. They have a ton of marketing money. They get a pretty big chunk from football too although that might start to drop if they continue to struggle. Still UL still brings revenue to the ACC for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Hoosierinbham said: Isn't a big chunk of that the revenue from the Yum Center that they raped the city of Louisville to build and pay for, yet the University controls? Could be wrong, but thought the city suffered major financial repercussions, while the university has reaped the financial windfall. UL pays $2.4M/year to the Louisville Arena Authority for their lease, plus either $10K or 10% of ticket revenue per mens game, $5K or 10% of ticket revenue per other event, 12% of luxury suite rentals and 50% of gift shop/concessions revenue. Anschutz Entertainment (owner of the LA Galaxy, Staples Center and about 20 other arenas) is the operator of the arena and controls all non-UL events. So they basically only get 90% of the gate and 50% of concessions from the Yum Center. Not sure how comparable that is to other athletic departments, but it doesn't sound outlandish to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moyeneeded Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 23 hours ago, 13th&Jackson said: Spot on. Academically they are last in the ACC and it isn’t even close. If they don’t bring money and prestige from sports, they have no value to a major conference I would love to see your figures. They actually have a pretty good APR for combined Athletic department. Fourteen programs at the school recorded perfect APR scores for the last calender year including the football team. The basketball team recorded above 960. They actually have one of the best unless comparing to Duke, UVA, and ND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moyeneeded Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: UL pays $2.4M/year to the Louisville Arena Authority for their lease, plus either $10K or 10% of ticket revenue per mens game, $5K or 10% of ticket revenue per other event, 12% of luxury suite rentals and 50% of gift shop/concessions revenue. Anschutz Entertainment (owner of the LA Galaxy, Staples Center and about 20 other arenas) is the operator of the arena and controls all non-UL events. So they basically only get 90% of the gate and 50% of concessions from the Yum Center. Not sure how comparable that is to other athletic departments, but it doesn't sound outlandish to me. I believe there was a recent renegotiation. Jurich had a deal where they were basically raping the profits from the YUM Center. That place is the most comparable arena to anything in the NBA and nicer than most. Recruits eat it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Moyeneeded said: I believe there was a recent renegotiation. Jurich had a deal where they were basically raping the profits from the YUM Center. That place is the most comparable arena to anything in the NBA and nicer than most. Recruits eat it up. The above is what was published in their audited 2018 financial statements. If there was something recent that was renegotiated, it wouldn't have been reflected in the USA Today revenue totals either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JugRox Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, Moyeneeded said: I would love to see your figures. They actually have a pretty good APR for combined Athletic department. Fourteen programs at the school recorded perfect APR scores for the last calender year including the football team. The basketball team recorded above 960. They actually have one of the best unless comparing to Duke, UVA, and ND. I think he was referring to UofL it’s self, not the grades the players make. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-louisville-1999 UofL is barley a top 200 rated public college. for reference, Valpo is #153 and Ball State is #192. A lot of ACC people didn’t want UofL because of academics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 43 minutes ago, Moyeneeded said: I would love to see your figures. They actually have a pretty good APR for combined Athletic department. Fourteen programs at the school recorded perfect APR scores for the last calender year including the football team. The basketball team recorded above 960. They actually have one of the best unless comparing to Duke, UVA, and ND. Referring to the University ranking overall, not APR. US News ranks them 192 among national colleges, tied with Ball St. They are below every ACC school, every Big Ten school, and every SEC school except Miss. St. UK is 132 and U Cinci is 139 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 FWIW, IU was ranked #79, tied with Gonzaga, SUNY-Buffalo and SUNY-Binghamton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Zlinedavid said: FWIW, IU was ranked #79, tied with Gonzaga, SUNY-Buffalo and SUNY-Binghamton. True. The Big Ten schools that have ever made the top 50 are NW, MI, WI, PSU(?), Rut, and IL(WTH?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Zlinedavid said: FWIW, IU was ranked #79, tied with Gonzaga, SUNY-Buffalo and SUNY-Binghamton. I wonder how much not having an engineering program hurts IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 So if I’m understanding this right.... Lander is going to attend IU, Gonzaga, SUNY-Buffalo Or SNY-Binghamton ?? Are those his finalists? I can’t follow this thread .... 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: So if I’m understanding this right.... Lander is going to attend IU, Gonzaga, SUNY-Buffalo Or SNY-Binghamton ?? Are those his finalists? I can’t follow this thread .... 🤷🏻♂️ I like our chances! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 I hope U of L wins this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Indykev said: I hope U of L wins this one. Seems pretty early for a 2021 commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JcityHoosier Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Brass Cannon said: Seems pretty early for a 2021 commitment. Might reclassify...he's going to UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 hours ago, JcityHoosier said: Might reclassify...he's going to UK UK has been getting more and more of these reclassifying kids. Honestly I don’t think it serves them well. If you get OAD primarily then they are looking at playing these kids right away and I’m not sure they all are physically and mentally ready for college ball. I think it’s also why they have been adding one or two grad transfers because they need leadership and college ready guys to buy the young ones time til they have settled in. Nate Sestina is going to be a huge get for them this year just like Travis really helped them last year. Nate has a winning work ethic and great skills for a 6’9 PF with range anywhere past half court. Anyways I think they continuing to depend on younger and younger kids will hurt them...I’ll take Archie’s plan of 4 year guys with a few 5 stars sprinkled in every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JugRox Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, dgambill said: UK has been getting more and more of these reclassifying kids. Honestly I don’t think it serves them well. If you get OAD primarily then they are looking at playing these kids right away and I’m not sure they all are physically and mentally ready for college ball. I think it’s also why they have been adding one or two grad transfers because they need leadership and college ready guys to buy the young ones time til they have settled in. Nate Sestina is going to be a huge get for them this year just like Travis really helped them last year. Nate has a winning work ethic and great skills for a 6’9 PF with range anywhere past half court. Anyways I think they continuing to depend on younger and younger kids will hurt them...I’ll take Archie’s plan of 4 year guys with a few 5 stars sprinkled in every year. It’s because of the end of the one and done rule. There will be a ton of kids doing the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 15 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: I wonder how much not having an engineering program hurts IU. Yeah, IL's engineering program is strong, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUALUM03 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Yeah, IL's engineering program is strong, btw. https://engineering.indiana.edu/ We do have an engineering program now. This is still relatively new, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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