JugRox Posted December 8, 2019 Report Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: What has happened in the last couple of months because in the summer it appeared we were in really good shape with Lander and Kauffman. Nobody knows anything, both recruitments have a long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 8, 2019 Report Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, JugRox said: Nobody knows anything, both recruitments have a long way to go. No doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted December 8, 2019 Report Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: What has happened in the last couple of months because in the summer it appeared we were in really good shape with Lander and Kauffman. We're not getting Lander. Kaufmann maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 8, 2019 Report Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, dbmhoosier said: We're not getting Lander. Kaufmann maybe. Been talking to Fepaugh again I see with all of these guarantees. Is Billy Donovan still looking at houses in Bloomington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JugRox Posted December 8, 2019 Report Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: We're not getting Lander. Kaufmann maybe. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, dbmhoosier said: We're not getting Lander. Kaufmann maybe. My gut tells me the same thing but I wouldn’t be guaranteeing any thing yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 Bottom line IU needs to start winning to get the Landers and Kauffmans of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 12 hours ago, 5 championships said: Bottom line IU needs to start winning to get the Landers and Kauffmans of the world. I don't know if I totally buy that because we got Romeo and TJD without winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I don't know if I totally buy that because we got Romeo and TJD without winning It depends on the player but I've seen it stated many times over the last year that Lander wants to see IU win games in order to be a serious contender when his recruitment comes to a close. Is it 100% accurate IDK but there has been plenty of smoke with this recruitment to say that winning in this one matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I don't know if I totally buy that because we got Romeo and TJD without winning Because it was Archie first and second year on the job and you sell the recruits off of a vision you have for them and the program. After your 3rd year that wears off. You eventually have to win and show them that they can come to IU and compete for championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, 5 championships said: Because it was Archie first and second year on the job and you sell the recruits off of a vision you have for them and the program. After your 3rd year that wears off. You eventually have to win and show them that they can come to IU and compete for championships. I am not saying we will get him but if he is that good he could see that he could be the piece that turns around IU. I just saw him being on campus a lot this summer and him going to see Archie when he was in Evansville as a sign that he is interested in IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 16 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: We're not getting Lander. Kaufmann maybe. The more UK watches Kaufman the more concerning it will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 Kaufman going to Purdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 28 minutes ago, Mike said: Kaufman going to Purdue. Great 1st post. Lander and Furst to join him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: I am not saying we will get him but if he is that good he could see that he could be the piece that turns around IU. I just saw him being on campus a lot this summer and him going to see Archie when he was in Evansville as a sign that he is interested in IU. No doubt he is interested. IU is the state school with all kinds of history, tradition, fan support, and exposure but kids also want to know they can win wether you sell that to them in a vision or you prove it to them by winning before they get there. IU and Archie are at a point now where recruits want to see them win. The honey moon of a new hire and new vision for the program is over. Winning will go a long ways in recruiting for our 2021 class. Kids are always going to be interested in IU but winning allows you to get more guys like Garcia instead of coming in 2nd and 3rd place with them. If Archie starts getting it done on the court our recruiting will go to another level and ultimately we will be Top 25 every year. This year is HUGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, 5 championships said: No doubt he is interested. IU is the state school with all kinds of history, tradition, fan support, and exposure but kids also want to know they can win wether you sell that to them in a vision or you prove it to them by winning before they get there. IU and Archie are at a point now where recruits want to see them win. The honey moon of a new hire and new vision for the program is over. Winning will go a long ways in recruiting for our 2021 class. Kids are always going to be interested in IU but winning allows you to get more guys like Garcia instead of coming in 2nd and 3rd place with them. If Archie starts getting it done on the court our recruiting will go to another level and ultimately we will be Top 25 every year. This year is HUGE! That is the chicken or the egg debate. You have to win to get the recruits but to win you need better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, IU Scott said: That is the chicken or the egg debate. You have to win to get the recruits but to win you need better players. IU has the players and has recruited well. We just need to stay healthy and get it done. This team is good enough to win this year. And by win I don’t mean you have to go to final four but you need to make the tournament and show that the program is turning the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonialcrester Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, Mike said: Kaufman going to Purdue. Welcome ot the forum...be carefull with those absolutes. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 hours ago, IU Scott said: I don't know if I totally buy that because we got Romeo and TJD without winning IU is always going to get some recruits. But, the difference between winning consistently and not winning consistently is how many of those players you can stack in classes. Yes, IU can get a TJD, a Langford, a Yogi, a Zeller, etc. But when you have a solid foundation of consistent winning (high conference finishes, tourney runs, etc.) then a place like IU can stack 2-3 top 50 guys in the same class. No, I'm not saying IU should turn into UK or Duke, and I'm not saying IU shouldn't recruit 3* guys. I'm not saying multiple top 10 guys, but 2-3 top 50 guys. Like Ohio State's current freshmen. They have 3 top 50 guys and they'll probably all be there at least 2-3 years. It's the ability to add Keion Brooks (just using him as an example, take the father/UK stuff out of it) and DJ Carton to TJD. It's the ability to grab Lander, Furst and Kauffman. Since IU has been in this weird, inconsistent pattern for over a decade+, I feel like our recruiting classes always have one big headliner and then there's a pretty big drop off. Win consistently and IU can pull better overall recruits. According to 24/7, it's been 8 years since IU had two recruits ranked in the top 50 in the same class. 8 years!?!? Kind of crazy, I went back and looked as far as 24/7 goes and going back to the 2003 recruiting class, IU has only had 2 top 50 recruits in the same class ONCE! I realize maybe Rivals would give a different result, but still that is crazy. We've also only had 3 top 100 guys in the same class 4 times over that span and two of them were pre-Tom Crean. That's 17 years of recruiting and only one class with 2 top 50 guys in it, and only 3 top 100 guys in the same class 4 times. Maybe IU does have a recruiting problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JugRox Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Mike said: Kaufman going to Purdue. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 Right now here is my order of my preference eon the 2021 class and if we can get two of them I will be happy Lander Furst Kaufman Wesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 hours ago, IU Scott said: I don't know if I totally buy that because we got Romeo and TJD without winning IMO, Archie needs to show continuous improvement to land upper echelon Indiana kids. He had success at Dayton, so coming to IU, he could sell his knowledge and vision for the first few years, but eventually the honeymoon period is getting to an end. If this team misses the tournament again this season, I don't expect we'd be in good spots to land Lander, Furst, and Kaufman type of kids ('lock-the-state-border' so to speak). We were a bubble team last season, so at the minimum, we need to make it to the tournament this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, addictedtoIU said: IMO, Archie needs to show continuous improvement to land upper echelon Indiana kids. He had success at Dayton, so coming to IU, he could sell his knowledge and vision for the first few years, but eventually the honeymoon period is getting to an end. If this team misses the tournament again this season, I don't expect we'd be in good spots to land Lander, Furst, and Kaufman type of kids ('lock-the-state-border' so to speak). We were a bubble team last season, so at the minimum, we need to make it to the tournament this season. I agree so I guess I just miss understood what people wete thinking win they said winning. When I see winning I think compete for the big ten this year and make a good run in the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: I agree so I guess I just miss understood what people wete thinking win they said winning. When I see winning I think compete for the big ten this year and make a good run in the tournament. You know what crimson colored glasses can do to some fans. After the FSU game, some of us might've thought this team could be a top 3 team in BIG. It's still too early to tell. I'm still thinking top 5 in BIG is still a possibility if this team progresses nicely throughout the season. We can always hope for the best, but should also emotionally be prepared for a big letdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moyeneeded Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Mike said: Kaufman going to Purdue. Eh..No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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