CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 Lookout for the backlash against Ford! Car fires everywhere! Mom and Pop mechanic shops are going to refuse to service Fords! https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/25/news/ford-nfl-protests/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 7 hours ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Sisters of the Poor College and Mom and Pop Shop Sporting Goods store are meaningless drops in the bucket. To Nike yes...to those they serve in the community they aren’t insignificant. To the kids they donate shoes and socks to in those communities that I have seen and helped with they aren’t insignificant. These type of stores are woven into the fabric of many American communities and I hope the small Mom and pop survives. Nike...meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, dgambill said: To Nike yes...to those they serve in the community they aren’t insignificant. To the kids they donate shoes and socks to in those communities that I have seen and helped with they aren’t insignificant. These type of stores are woven into the fabric of many American communities and I hope the small Mom and pop survives. Nike...meh. So then the people dropping Nike are hurting their own communities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 43 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: So then the people dropping Nike are hurting their own communities? ??? I think we are on two wave lengths. There were some Mom and pop stores stop selling Nikes. They said they will probably go out of business for their choice but felt compelled to take a stand. I just would hate to see them go under but they are making their decision and will have to live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, dgambill said: ??? I think we are on two wave lengths. There were some Mom and pop stores stop selling Nikes. They said they will probably go out of business for their choice but felt compelled to take a stand. I just would hate to see them go under but they are making their decision and will have to live with it. That’s not Nike’s fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 7 hours ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: That’s not Nike’s fault. Boycotts do happen. Nike choose this route, and I am sure they were aware of what consequences might arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoHoosier Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 I won't buy or support Nike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 hours ago, rico said: Boycotts do happen. Nike choose this route, and I am sure they were aware of what consequences might arise. Like I said already, they aren’t worried about Ozark College or some mom and pop retailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy River Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 Paying Chinese toddlers $3.00 a year to make new shoes didn't bring down NIKE. This won't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 31 minutes ago, Muddy River said: Paying Chinese toddlers $3.00 a year to make new shoes didn't bring down NIKE. This won't either. Never know. Rome wasn't built in one day, nor did it fall in one day either. And I love the Chinese toddler reference, that made my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, rico said: Never know. Rome wasn't built in one day, nor did it fall in one day either. And I love the Chinese toddler reference, that made my day. Nike’s target demographic is a group that favors socially progressive politics. They aren’t in any danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Nike’s target demographic is a group that favors socially progressive politics. They aren’t in any danger. As I said, they can have their "bean counters" and I understand that. What a "well oiled machine" does. Sometimes they do get it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 If 50 percent of people think one way on an issue and 50 percent of people think the opposite, what makes one opinion right and the other wrong? It seems as if society desires to operate in absoutes when absolute is not attainable. What is easier to identify is hypocricy. Being against America because of social inequality while supporting Castro is a hypocritic stance that is impossible to ignore. There is nothing wrong with promoting and demanding equality. But, the messenger must walk the walk to support the talk. Kaepernick fails miserably in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, 5fouls said: If 50 percent of people think one way on an issue and 50 percent of people think the opposite, what makes one opinion right and the other wrong? It seems as if society desires to operate in absoutes when absolute is not attainable. What is easier to identify is hypocricy. Being against America because of social inequality while supporting Castro is a hypocritic stance that is impossible to ignore. There is nothing wrong with promoting and demanding equality. But, the messenger must walk the walk to support the talk. Kaepernick fails miserably in that regard. Some issues have factual truths, some have moral truths, and some don't have absolutes. If the issue has truths, it doesn't matter what the popularity of the issue the truth stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, KoB2011 said: Some issues have factual truths, some have moral truths, and some don't have absolutes. If the issue has truths, it doesn't matter what the popularity of the issue the truth stands. How do you view the obvious hypocricy of Kaepernick's position? Should we ignore the hypocricy....or could we not find a better role model to rally around who truly wants what a hypocritic Kaepernick is demonstrating for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, 5fouls said: How do you view the obvious hypocricy of Kaepernick's position? Should we ignore the hypocricy....or could we not find a better role model to rally around who truly wants what a hypocritic Kaepernick is demonstrating for. We all have hypocrisies in some positions we take. To ignore his point because of hypocrisy is tragic; evaluate the message not the messenger. The side that is against Kaepernick is largely the same side that supports Trump, despite what he brings to the table as a messenger. Are you sure you want to start attaching messages to messagers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: We all have hypocrisies in some positions we take. To ignore his point because of hypocrisy is tragic; evaluate the message not the messenger. The side that is against Kaepernick is largely the same side that supports Trump, despite what he brings to the table as a messenger. Are you sure you want to start attaching messages to messagers? How is it tragic to ignore the 'advice' of a hypocrit? In any event I am not ignoring the message, simply taking ecception to the celebration of the messenger. As far as Trump is concerned. Yes, I am weary of all the chaos. But, an important point to make is that Trump is in office more for who his opponent is than what he brougt to the table himself. Anyone, and I mean anyone, other than Hilary defeats him in a general election. Why the Democratic establishment could not see that, I will never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PoHoosier Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 4 hours ago, KoB2011 said: Some issues have factual truths, some have moral truths, and some don't have absolutes. If the issue has truths, it doesn't matter what the popularity of the issue the truth stands. I believe you hit on something here. The left wants to help those who need help. Rightfully so, there are those who are "behind" as a result of "the system". If my language is poor and offends anyone, that is not my intent. The words have quotes for this reason. The right supports the hiearchy. They see the left threatening to "tear down" the right with socialist government or socialist programs. The fact is.... We need both. ANY system will have a hiearchy where someone can perform a service, good, labor or what have you, better than someone else. In a perfect system, this would be the true root of inequality. As with any system, there will be flaws. The problem I see is any hiearchy will grow evil / stale / corrupt. Do you rebuild the hiearchy? It will eventually be replaced with a nother. In short, we absolutely need both sides. There is no absolute, only in that this would absolutely work better if both sides realized how badly each is needed and sought to come together in key social issues. Sadly, it's far from happening as both sides dig there heals in and they only see the other side retreating to the extreme of their political leaning rather then see where their feet are in the political trenches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, PoHoosier said: I believe you hit on something here. The left wants to help those who need help. Rightfully so, there are those who are "behind" as a result of "the system". If my language is poor and offends anyone, that is not my intent. The words have quotes for this reason. The right supports the hiearchy. They see the left threatening to "tear down" the right with socialist government or socialist programs. The fact is.... We need both. ANY system will have a hiearchy where someone can perform a service, good, labor or what have you, better than someone else. In a perfect system, this would be the true root of inequality. As with any system, there will be flaws. The problem I see is any hiearchy will grow evil / stale / corrupt. Do you rebuild the hiearchy? It will eventually be replaced with a nother. In short, we absolutely need both sides. There is no absolute, only in that this would absolutely work better if both sides realized how badly each is needed and sought to come together in key social issues. Sadly, it's far from happening as both sides dig there heals in and they only see the other side retreating to the extreme of their political leaning rather then see where their feet are in the political trenches. You left out one important factor....religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, rico said: You left out one important factor....religion. Good point. The government is not the only entity that can help those in need. The US, being the worlds most charitable nation, has shown that the community can fulfill this need when given the opportunity. Personally, I believe the more local the organization, the more effective it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoHoosier Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, rico said: You left out one important factor....religion. It doesn't have to be tied in, but sadly, I believe politics broke down the separation of Church and state. When they pull "tax exempt" status because of what their doctrine has believed, taught, and to have been practicing before the foundation of the nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, PoHoosier said: It doesn't have to be tied in, but sadly, I believe politics broke down the separation of Church and state. When they pull "tax exempt" status because of what their doctrine has believed, taught, and to have been practicing before the foundation of the nation. And which side is anti-Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, rico said: And which side is anti-Christian? No one is anti-Christian. The issue you are perceiving is that Christianity’s socially conservative views are going the way of the dodo and some Christians can’t deal with the fact that they don’t have absolute power anymore. Believing that Christians are being persecuted is the same as believing that white men are being persecuted. Just because one doesn’t have unchecked power anymore like they did in the past doesn’t mean they are being treated unfairly. It means they are getting a small taste of what religious minorities, racial minorities and women have felt for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoHoosier Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: No one is anti-Christian. The issue you are perceiving is that Christianity’s socially conservative views are going the way of the dodo and some Christians can’t deal with the fact that they don’t have absolute power anymore. Believing that Christians are being persecuted is the same as believing that white men are being persecuted. Just because one doesn’t have unchecked power anymore like they did in the past doesn’t mean they are being treated unfairly. It means they are getting a small taste of what religious minorities, racial minorities and women have felt for so long. But there is persecution. It's just not entirely systemic or extreme, yet. Denying it doesn't mean it isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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