CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, rico said: Just like the last Presidential election? Refresh my memory on that one. Swing and a miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Lol still celebrating losing by 2 million votes? 1 out of 50 polls were wrong outside the margin of error IIRC in 2016. Yep obviously polling is complete guesswork Our Founding Fathers got it right. Ask JFK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, rico said: Our Founding Fathers got it right. Ask JFK JFK won the popular vote so not sure why he would care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 48 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Lol still celebrating losing by 2 million votes? 1 out of 50 polls were wrong outside the margin of error IIRC in 2016. Yep obviously polling is complete guesswork Subtract the votes from New York and California for both parties and Trump wins the popular vote. 2 states popular vote should not be able to swing an election. Thats why the EC exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 53 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Subtract the votes from New York and California for both parties and Trump wins the popular vote. 2 states popular vote should not be able to swing an election. Thats why the EC exists. Exactly, I don't want places like Chicago, New York and L.A. determining who my POTUS will be..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Subtract the votes from New York and California for both parties and Trump wins the popular vote. 2 states popular vote should not be able to swing an election. Thats why the EC exists. Lol 😂 so we just subtract a bunch of the people that voted against Trump. He would have won the popular vote. Trump won Texas by 800,000 that would have been enough to swing a lot of elections guess we should subtract those as well guess we should have subtracted Texas from Bush both times too it’s only fair! Just now, Proud2BAHoosier said: Exactly, I don't want places like Chicago, New York and L.A. determining who my POTUS will be..... You’d rather Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania choose it for you? Indiana hasn’t had any effect on a president in my lifetime Every person in Indiana could have written in Elmo for the last 30 years and nothing is changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 I don’t agree with them so they shouldn’t count. Hysterical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Lol 😂 so we just subtract a bunch of the people that voted against Trump. He would have won the popular vote. Trump won Texas by 800,000 that would have been enough to swing a lot of elections guess we should subtract those as well guess we should have subtracted Texas from Bush both times too it’s only fair! You’d rather Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania choose it for you? Indiana hasn’t had any effect on a president in my lifetime Every person in Indiana could have written in Elmo for the last 30 years and nothing is changed. I was highlighting why the electoral college exists. Which dems want to get rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: I don’t agree with them so they shouldn’t count. Hysterical! Sure does seem what the democrats have been like since the election. how many calls for getting rid of the electorate college have there been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said: JFK won the popular vote so not sure why he would care either way. By a whopping how many? How many states did he carry? How many counties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, mrflynn03 said: I was highlighting why the electoral college exists. Which dems want to get rid of. Lol people not just dems want to get rid of it because 2 of the last 5 elections have been against the popular vote. The only reason republicans want it is because they are the party that benefits from it. But hey just keep enjoying your vote not mattering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, rico said: By a whopping how many? How many states did he carry? How many counties? So what he still won the popular vote and the electoral college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Sure does seem what the democrats have been like since the election. how many calls for getting rid of the electorate college have there been? People wanting rid of the ELECTORAL college started long before this election cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoHoosier Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: Lol 😂 so we just subtract a bunch of the people that voted against Trump. He would have won the popular vote. Trump won Texas by 800,000 that would have been enough to swing a lot of elections guess we should subtract those as well guess we should have subtracted Texas from Bush both times too it’s only fair! You’d rather Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania choose it for you? Indiana hasn’t had any effect on a president in my lifetime Every person in Indiana could have written in Elmo for the last 30 years and nothing is changed. Fair points. As a conservative moderate. I am a little more liberal on this one. This is a microcosm of the disconnect between the two political sides. It gives rural areas more clout, voting power, and the fact of 1 vote counting for more than 1 urban area's vote. That used to be the case before the civil war with votes being unequal. Getting rid of the electoral college isn't the answer, but something must change. This will likely spark the topic of the dead voting for democrats in recent elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 States are quietly working to circumvent the electoral college. Probably within 30 years it will be a non factor. About 160 electoral votes of states have agreed to give their votes to the popular vote winner. It won’t kick in till 270 votes worth sign on. It’s slowly going to gain steam. Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina and Pennsylvania are working on getting it passed. Some will surely fail but eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Sure does seem what the democrats have been like since the election. how many calls for getting rid of the electorate college have there been? Nice straw man. We are talking about what YOU just said HERE. Your own words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUDan93 Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Gerrymandering is also a huge issue. Look at the national results related to the house and we should all scratch our heads as to how one party has had such a large majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, IUDan93 said: Gerrymandering is also a huge issue. Look at the national results related to the house and we should all scratch our heads as to how one party has had such a large majority. Agreed. I think that all lines should be drawn by computer system do it’s best to keep MSAs and CSAs together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 48 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Nice straw man. We are talking about what YOU just said HERE. Your own words. Straw man? Are you happy with the electoral college results? All I was trying to say was the electoral college exists to protect the majority of STATES from a minority of STATES. America is NOT a democracy but intead, a representative republic for a very good reason. Thats because a democracy is mob rule and a system that quickly fails. The federal goverments main role is to protect and represent the states, not individuals. States protect individuals. America is to big to rely on the feds to fix everything. Ultimately peoples differences are just a difference in philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, mrflynn03 said: Straw man? Are you happy with the electoral college results? All I was trying to say was the electoral college exists to protect the majority of STATES from a minority of STATES. America is NOT a democracy but intead, a representative republic for a very good reason. Thats because a democracy is mob rule and a system that quickly fails. The federal goverments main role is to protect and represent the states, not individuals. States protect individuals. America is to big to rely on the feds to fix everything. Ultimately peoples differences are just a difference in philosophy. So once again how does 5 states controlling who wins the presidency represent the majority? It’s a nice sounding argument but it doesn’t actually appear to be happening in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 90% of campaign visits occurred in just 11 states. 60 percent to the top 4. But yeah the EC ensures all states are listened too. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: So once again how does 5 states controlling who wins the presidency represent the majority? It’s a nice sounding argument but it doesn’t actually appear to be happening in reality. Here is a smaller example and one I am familiar with because my wife and her family are from Illinois. Chicago politics controls Illinois. Do you think city dwellers understand or have the best interests of their fellow illini in mind? What the hell do chicagoans know about farming for example? The heartland feeds America but people want to dismiss half their country as deplorable. The half that feeds them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Here is a smaller example and one I am familiar with because my wife and her family are from Illinois. Chicago politics controls Illinois. Do you think city dwellers understand or have the best interests of their fellow illini in mind? What the hell do chicagoans know about farming for example? The heartland feeds America but people want to dismiss half their country as deplorable. The half that feeds them. So because a city controls Illinois we should let 5 states control the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Should we let New York and California dictate the agenda for 48 other states? More specifically NYC and LA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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