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4 minutes ago, Reacher said:

 

Her attorney is on video from a year ago saying "We will resist". This is as partisan as can be. Again, where is all this selective outrage over Franken, Booker, Ellison? They have all done the same or worse than what Kavanaugh has been accused of yet nary a peep. Its ok to be in congress and even be a Presidential hopeful just not a potential Justice when these allegations (actual / admitted groping/ abuse for Booker, Franken, Ellison) come about? Feinstein sat on this for months. She was more concerned with politics than getting at the truth.

Lets see what happens Thursday. Only then will I decide if their might be some guilt. Until then, presumed innocent- the law of the land.

You do know that Franken resigned after members of his own party demanded his resignation, right? 

 

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1 hour ago, Reacher said:

 

Her attorney is on video from a year ago saying "We will resist". This is as partisan as can be. Again, where is all this selective outrage over Franken, Booker, Ellison? They have all done the same or worse than what Kavanaugh has been accused of yet nary a peep. Its ok to be in congress and even be a Presidential hopeful just not a potential Justice when these allegations (actual / admitted groping/ abuse for Booker, Franken, Ellison) come about? Feinstein sat on this for months. She was more concerned with politics than getting at the truth.

Lets see what happens Thursday. Only then will I decide if their might be some guilt. Until then, presumed innocent- the law of the land.

You ever think she chose her attorney because of that attitude. 

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3 hours ago, Reacher said:

Until then, presumed innocent- the law of the land.

1) innocent until proven guilty is strictly in reference to a criminal trial... this is not a criminal trial 

2) just because someone is innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean you pretend accusations never happened. There has been no caution, skepticism or desire for an investigation shown in your support of Kavanaugh. 

3) if you aren't calling for an investigation and for others to testify under oath, but you're asking for the burden of proof to be that of a criminal trial (which is what you are doing) you have no interest in the truth; only in more power shifting to the GOP, no matter the cost. 

 

 

When did investigations become so scary to innocent people?

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3 hours ago, rogue3542 said:

You do know that Franken resigned after members of his own party demanded his resignation, right? 

 

Correct. Why not the same standard for Ellison and Booker? Those are not mere allegations. Call it hypocrisy, selective moral outrage or politics but there is a clear double standard.

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Just now, Reacher said:

Correct. Why not the same standard for Ellison and Booker? Those are not mere allegations. Call it hypocrisy, selective moral outrage or politics but there is a clear double standard.

I would support getting them both out, FWIW. 

I've never had a tolerance for moral problems from people in power. 

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17 minutes ago, Reacher said:

Correct. Why not the same standard for Ellison and Booker? Those are not mere allegations. Call it hypocrisy, selective moral outrage or politics but there is a clear double standard.

Well for one thing booker admitted them and talked about how he has tried to grow from that mistake. And he’s an elected official. If the voters care he will get voted out. A lot different than a Supreme Court Justice 

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11 hours ago, KoB2011 said:

He probably said that because the Republicans knew about the second woman last week. 

And this isn't a court of law. No one needs to prove Kavanaugh is guilty, he needs to prove he is fit for the Supreme Court. 

If someone was dating your daughter and had been accused in the past of sexual abuse, where would you put the burden of proof? 

How can you differentiate innocence or guilt in this situation, from being criminal or determining fitness for office?

 If he is innocent then he should be fit to serve, right? If he is guilty shouldn't he face criminal charges?  Why havent these accusers filed police reports?  If they really want justice, these accusers would want him in jail.

This is nothing more than character assassination. 

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3 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Well for one thing booker admitted them and talked about how he has tried to grow from that mistake. And he’s an elected official. If the voters care he will get voted out. A lot different than a Supreme Court Justice 

If a conservative individual did the same thing Booker did, would you give him a pass like you just did for Booker?

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4 hours ago, mrflynn03 said:

If a conservative individual did the same thing Booker did, would you give him a pass like you just did for Booker?

Well thats not exactly a pass.  Simply stating its different for a number of reasons. 

And yes probably since i am a conservative theres some bias there i am sure. 

Spoiler Warning the GOP isnt conservatie anymore.   If that was what you were trying to ask. 

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10 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Well for one thing booker admitted them and talked about how he has tried to grow from that mistake. And he’s an elected official. If the voters care he will get voted out. A lot different than a Supreme Court Justice 

Did the media make a huge uproar about Booker so the voters were informed of the issue?  I do not see the difference you do. As a Presidential hopeful, his moral character would be more of an issue than if he were one of nine Justices. I thought that was one your main issues with Trump. After all he was elected and the nation blessed his past sins, his tweeting and his personality. Why aren't you willing to give him the same benefit? Once again, seems rather hypocritical. 

Anyways, nice knowing you will be so tolerant of Trump waiting to see if he gets voted out in 2020.

 

2 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Spoiler Warning the GOP isnt conservatie anymore.   If that was what you were trying to ask. 

Agree with you there. The Democrats are now Socialists and most of the Republicans are now the Democrats of 10-30 years ago.

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7 hours ago, mrflynn03 said:

How can you differentiate innocence or guilt in this situation, from being criminal or determining fitness for office?

 If he is innocent then he should be fit to serve, right? If he is guilty shouldn't he face criminal charges?  Why havent these accusers filed police reports?  If they really want justice, these accusers would want him in jail.

This is nothing more than character assassination. 

Because of the statute of limitations. Sexual assault is chronically under reported, because assholes everywhere attack the victims. Don't be an asshole. 

Innocence and guilt have to do with criminal proceedings, this isn't a criminal proceeding. It's a job interview, I don't need to know someone is innocent or guilty to know there are questions about his character that disqualify him. It is up to him to show he is fit for this which means he needs to at least attempt to prove he deserves the job. A great start would be begging for an FBI investigation like his accuser is doing. 

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2 minutes ago, Reacher said:

Did the media make a huge uproar about Booker so the voters were informed of the issue?  I do not see the difference you do. As a Presidential hopeful, his moral character would be more of an issue than if he were one of nine Justices. I thought that was one your main issues with Trump. After all he was elected and the nation blessed his past sins, his tweeting and his personality. Why aren't you willing to give him the same benefit? Once again, seems rather hypocritical. 

Anyways, nice knowing you will be so tolerant of Trump waiting to see if he gets voted out in 2020.

 

Agree with you there. The Democrats are now Socialists and most of the Republicans are now the Democrats of 10-30 years ago.

Not even close an appointed official who is basically unremovable has to be above reproach. 

It has nothing to do with past sins being blessed because A) He lost the popular vote by more than the city of Chicago. B) He hasn’t admitted his past sins let alone tried to learn from them C) Even regardless what he has done in office is pretty freaking bad. 

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2 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

Because of the statute of limitations. Sexual assault is chronically under reported, because assholes everywhere attack the victims. Don't be an asshole. 

Lets keep it civil. No reason to imply what you just did. Police reports could have been filed at the time- before any statute of limitations expired. Because charges were not filed, that now is one factor leading to a credibility issue here. Coupled with Feinsteins actions, the lack of corroborating witnesses, the Democrats stated desire to resist, you can see there are red flags for anyone looking at this objectively. Nobody is attacking anybody. There is a process in place. Let it play out. We don't need to create a new process (FBI Investigations). Thursday will be here soon enough. 

There have been plenty of times where false accusations (Duke Lacrosse) have been made. All I know is it is too early to assume guilt and everyone should be presumed innocent. That is what we would all want for a family member involved in such a situation.

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9 minutes ago, Reacher said:

Lets keep it civil. No reason to imply what you just did. Police reports could have been filed at the time- before any statute of limitations expired. Because charges were not filed, that now is one factor leading to a credibility issue here. Coupled with Feinsteins actions, the lack of corroborating witnesses, the Democrats stated desire to resist, you can see there are red flags for anyone looking at this objectively. Nobody is attacking anybody. There is a process in place. Let it play out. We don't need to create a new process (FBI Investigations). Thursday will be here soon enough. 

There have been plenty of times where false accusations (Duke Lacrosse) have been made. All I know is it is too early to assume guilt and everyone should be presumed innocent. That is what we would all want for a family member involved in such a situation.

There is no credibility loss because of the lack of a police report. And only partisan hacks like you think so. 

And Thursday proves nothing it’s a complete sham investigation to placate partisans like you. 

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1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Not even close an appointed official who is basically unremovable has to be above reproach. 

It has nothing to do with past sins being blessed because A) He lost the popular vote by more than the city of Chicago. B) He hasn’t admitted his past sins let alone tried to learn from them C) Even regardless what he has done in office is pretty freaking bad. 

I guess you have a problem with Ruth Bader Ginsburg skipping Trumps State of the Union. Not very impartial to play politics like that. Should we impeach her?

Popular vote doesn't elect our President. Stop whining.

I have not heard of Trump doing anything remotely as bad as what Bill did with Monica or Obama giving Iran Billions and weaponizing our intelligence agencies against a political opponent. 

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4 minutes ago, Reacher said:

I guess you have a problem with Ruth Bader Ginsburg skipping Trumps State of the Union. Not very impartial to play politics like that. Should we impeach her?

Popular vote doesn't elect our President. Stop whining.

I have not heard of Trump doing anything remotely as bad as what Bill did with Monica or Obama giving Iran Billions and weaponizing our intelligence agencies against a political opponent. 

Skipping a state of the union is akin to rape now. Man you are horrible. How disgusting. 

Yeah a system designed to subvert the people does. Stop being ignorant. 

He freely admitted to sexual assault. He bragged about it.  So yeah you are wrong. Plus the treason thing. 

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2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

There is no credibility loss because of the lack of a police report. And only partisan hacks like you think so. 

And Thursday proves nothing it’s a complete shame investigation to placate partisans like you. 

OMG, all I said it was ONE factor that raises a red flag. 

Looks like you have come to terms Thursday will expose Ford as a fraud and are discounting it so you get your desired objective? Sad, I'm keeping an open mind and waiting to see what happens when both parties speak their piece. Willing to let the process (never called it an investigation) play out.

BTW, how may high school kids do you know that were trying to be #1 in their class and remained a virgin until after college were committing sexual assaults during that time? Again ONE more piece of the puzzle that doesn't fit too neatly at this time.

I don't appreciate being called  a partisan hack so please refrain from calling me a hack or Mr Flynn an asshole. All indications are you  the one with a severe bias and unwilling to even listen to opposing arguments. Prove me wrong- watch Hannity for a week and see if you can figure out what makes him #1 in cable news. I'll watch Maddow that entire week :)

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5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Skipping a state of the union is akin to rape now. Man you are horrible. How disgusting. 

Yeah a system designed to subvert the people does. Stop being ignorant. 

He freely admitted to sexual assault. He bragged about it.  So yeah you are wrong. Plus the treason thing. 

Please tell me where I equated skipping the state of the union to sexual assualt. I was showing you some of the liberal Justices are political and have character issues of their own. The same thing that you want to put on Kavanaugh. I have news for you, Ginsburg has a known political bias. We know of no such thing for Kavanaugh. 

The alleged Trump sexual assault was not while in office. It is wrong in my book either way (if it happened- some claim he was just bragging). You specifically said while in office ( "C) Even regardless what he has done in office is pretty freaking bad. "). Laughing that you cannot even follow your own logic.

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Thursday proves nothing and only partisan hacks like you think it will. You are a partisan hack and anybody that isn’t willing to call for an FBI investigation is one too. And you are pretty disgusting for insinuating that skipping a ceremony and rape are in the same wheelhouse. 

And hannity is number 1 in news because he spouts proganda to hacks like you and you set there and eat it up. 

I have little to no bias in this matter. An fbi investigation is the bare minimum that should be done here and it’s not being done. You know who doesn’t want the cops poking around?  Guilty people. 

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1 minute ago, Reacher said:

Please tell me where I equated skipping the state of the union to sexual assualt. I was showing you some of the liberal Justices are political and have character issues of their own. The same thing that you want to put on Kavanaugh. I have news for you, Ginsburg has a known political bias. We know of no such thing for Kavanaugh. 

The alleged Trump sexual assault was not while in office. It is wrong in my book either way (if it happened- some claim he was just bragging). You specifically said while in office ( "C) Even regardless what he has done in office is pretty freaking bad. "). Laughing that you cannot even follow your own logic.

I said they had to be above reproach not be without politics  and then you brought up RBG  disgusting  you are disgusting  

Wrong in your book yet you still voted for him. Because he was a republican. That’s all you cared about. And you don’t care about women  

And btw the treason was while he was in office. 

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Stepping aside from explaining why rape=bad. 

Very interested to see financials come out here at the end of the month. 

Braun and Kramer were running low on money. Pretty sure Hawley was also. For the republicans  

Rosen and Bredesen were lagging behind opponents for democrats  

Texas, Florida and Arizona look to be pretty even fights financially.  

I do think that Heller and Kramer have really destroyed their chances with recent comments.  Women and especially senior women are not going to like the comments made and those are two very reliable voting groups.  

Still think Nelson will pull off Florida with Gillums help  

 

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