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2018 Midterm Elections


Brass Cannon

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3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

The problem with US politics is parties. And the voters that blindly support a party  

If you do a party line ballot you are part of the problem 

if you have voted Republican or Democrat since the 70s then your part of the problem. 

States didn’t used to be Red or Blue. Jimmy Carter won Texas for gods sake. The parties have carved up the map. Using Modern technology and advanced analytics they are able to keep states the color they have a slight disposition 

No president has given a crap about Indiana. The Dems don’t need us and the republicans take us for granted. 

Washington understood this and was opposed to parties. Presidents should be above their party and work equally with both. Since they don’t they can’t get anything done unless their party controls Congress. 

Obama had 59 senators iirc and couldn’t get his agenda done for gods sake 

Sorry. Just disagree. Many of us vote on party philosophy and there's nothing wrong with that. PS...Jimmy Carter won Texas in 76 for 2 reasons and 2 only. Watergate scandal still pissed off the entire Republican party....and Carter's southern roots seemed to fit with many Texas. Even with anti-Republican sentiment at an all time high during that time....I think Carter barely won. 

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3 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Sorry. Just disagree. Many of us vote on party philosophy and there's nothing wrong with that. PS...Jimmy Carter won Texas in 76 for 2 reasons and 2 only. Watergate scandal still pissed off the entire Republican party....and Carter's southern roots seemed to fit with many Texas. Even with anti-Republican sentiment at an all time high during that time....I think Carter barely won. 

The parties have changed considerably in the last 20 years let alone the last 40 years. Reagan and Trump are nothing alike for example. So don’t tell me the same belief system led people to vote for them. 

The same party affiliation caused people to vote for them. 

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13 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

The parties have changed considerably in the last 20 years let alone the last 40 years. Reagan and Trump are nothing alike for example. So don’t tell me the same belief system led people to vote for them. 

The same party affiliation caused people to vote for them. 

I agree.  The GOP has changed, the D party is having an identity crisis right now.  The no borders, abolish ICE and free this and that is making its way into their platform.

I wish we had more options.  I honestly dont know where I fall on the spectrum, maybe more libertarian,  but I cant bring myself to support somebody who wants to give up our national sovereignty and take more of my paycheck. I make my best effort to support the individual.

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13 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said:

I agree.  The GOP has changed, the D party is having an identity crisis right now.  The no borders, abolish ICE and free this and that is making its way into their platform.

I wish we had more options.  I honestly dont know where I fall on the spectrum, maybe more libertarian,  but I cant bring myself to support somebody who wants to give up our national sovereignty and take more of my paycheck. I make my best effort to support the individual.

The Democratic Party is splitting and I imagine that within the next 20 years the old democrats will be the new GOP or the GOP will die  

I proudly voted for McCain. I would have voted for Bush I was a day too young. But losing to Obama radicalized the GOP to support their base and only their white base.  I couldn’t support a party that only cares about white people. Primarily white men. 

With White people losing the majority and Minorities starting to vote in Texas and the western states. If the GOP doesn’t change by 2032 it will be virtually impossible for them to win a national election. As long as they don’t run another Clinton. And trump and his policies have only accelerated minority voting efforts possibly make it 2028  

Trump may very well kill the GOP the way he killed the usfl

I am a conservative this GOP is not conservative though. Which forces me into being an independent. 

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9 hours ago, mrflynn03 said:

I dont mind moderate democrats like Joe Donnelly but I hope the moronic socialists dont bogart the democrat party and further divide things. 

1) I'm unaware of any prominent elected socialist in America. Who are you referencing? I'm judging by actual positions not how they label themselves. 

2) do you have the same negative feelings towards the far-right, such as the freedom caucus?

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8 hours ago, PoHoosier said:

I agree and enjoyed open discourse with liberals before most identified or became synonymous with the left.  Honest and not meant to be inflammatory question, of those who call themselves liberal, do you distance yourselves from the left? (Same could be said for the alt-right.  Both extremes scare me.)

The left isn't the liberals. Clinton, Obama, etc. are neo-liberals which from a policy perspective would be hard to consider liberal. 

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Popular vote is distorted by illegal voting- primarily from Democratic states. 

 

Does anyone really believe this? 

"On the other side are the professors who conducted the study and contended that “zero” noncitizens of about 18 million adults in the U.S. voted. The liberal mainstream media adopted this position"

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/19/noncitizen-illegal-vote-number-higher-than-estimat/

 

Does anybody think this is fair?-

"So California, the state with the most illegal aliens, receives up to 5 more congressional seats thanks to illegal aliens"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/illegal-immigrants-give-california-up-to-five-extra-congressional-seats/

 

"California, for instance, has 11 counties with more registered voters than actual voters. Perhaps not surprisingly — it is deep-Blue State California, after all — 10 of those counties voted heavily for Hillary Clinton.

Los Angeles County, whose more than 10 million people make it the nation's most populous county, had 12% more registered voters than live ones, some 707,475 votes. That's a huge number of possible votes in an election."

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/u-s-has-3-5-million-more-registered-voters-than-live-adults-a-red-flag-for-electoral-fraud/

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1 hour ago, Seeking6 said:

I'll ask the same question I ask all the time when I hear this. What's your solution? Growing up in a city (Chicago) that was better at the bitch/complaining vs offering solutions....I'm always fascinated when people say things like this. I mean BO was in the White House for 8 years and didn't do a thing to improve this. Pelosi has been in charge of the Democrats for 12 years. So I ask the question....what's the solution?  Because it's clear the very leaders who are expected to help the less fortunate haven't done a thing in that regard. 

Neither of them are liberal and 6 of the 8 years Obama was stonewalled by Republicans. 

And for Obama's faults of which there are many, he did completely move the needle and national mindset on health care in this country. It's only a matter of time until every American has some level of health care. 

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9 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

1) I'm unaware of any prominent elected socialist in America. Who are you referencing? I'm judging by actual positions not how they label themselves. 

2) do you have the same negative feelings towards the far-right, such as the freedom caucus?

Bernie Sanders calls himself socialist iirc. 

I will also note as a conservative I support universal healthcare. Why might you ask. Because I’m a fiscal conservative primarily and UH is cheaper. Even the Koch brothers found that to be true. 

Same with housing the homeless. The state of Utah saved money by housing the homeless. 

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1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Bernie Sanders calls himself socialist iirc. 

I will also note as a conservative I support universal healthcare. Why might you ask. Because I’m a fiscal conservative primarily and UH is cheaper. Even the Koch brothers found that to be true. 

Same with housing in the homeless. The state of Utah saved money by housing the homeless. 

I've heard him call himself that; he is objectively wrong in that description of himself. I asked for someone who actually holds the policy positions of a socialist. 

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14 minutes ago, Reacher said:

Popular vote is distorted by illegal voting- primarily from Democratic states. 

 

Does anyone really believe this? 

"On the other side are the professors who conducted the study and contended that “zero” noncitizens of about 18 million adults in the U.S. voted. The liberal mainstream media adopted this position"

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/19/noncitizen-illegal-vote-number-higher-than-estimat/

 

Does anybody think this is fair?-

"So California, the state with the most illegal aliens, receives up to 5 more congressional seats thanks to illegal aliens"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/illegal-immigrants-give-california-up-to-five-extra-congressional-seats/

 

"California, for instance, has 11 counties with more registered voters than actual voters. Perhaps not surprisingly — it is deep-Blue State California, after all — 10 of those counties voted heavily for Hillary Clinton.

Los Angeles County, whose more than 10 million people make it the nation's most populous county, had 12% more registered voters than live ones, some 707,475 votes. That's a huge number of possible votes in an election."

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/u-s-has-3-5-million-more-registered-voters-than-live-adults-a-red-flag-for-electoral-fraud/

And yet even trumps own election commission didn’t discover this. Must not have had access to google. 

https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/jun/22/ainsley-earhardt/following-trump-voter-fraud-allegations-claim-57-m/

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7 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

I've heard him call himself that; he is objectively wrong in that description of himself. I asked for someone who actually holds the policy positions of a socialist. 

That is a good question....if I remember right there was Socialists on the ballot.  So there must me an actual party?  

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1 hour ago, Seeking6 said:

Sorry. Just disagree. Many of us vote on party philosophy and there's nothing wrong with that. PS...Jimmy Carter won Texas in 76 for 2 reasons and 2 only. Watergate scandal still pissed off the entire Republican party....and Carter's southern roots seemed to fit with many Texas. Even with anti-Republican sentiment at an all time high during that time....I think Carter barely won. 

This would work if we had more than two parties. The reality is a neo-liberal is actually closer in policy position to a moderate Republican than a moderate Republican is to a tea-partier. 

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1 minute ago, rico said:

That is a good question....if I remember right there was Socialists on the ballot.  So there must me an actual party?  

From what I can tell with a quick Google search the only "socialist" party in America is actually social democrats which is about as far from socialism as a moderate Republican is from a tea-partier. 

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16 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

Neither of them are liberal and 6 of the 8 years Obama was stonewalled by Republicans. 

And for Obama's faults of which there are many, he did completely move the needle and national mindset on health care in this country. It's only a matter of time until every American has some level of health care. 

I don't have the numbers so I'm sure someone can find. I know this is small sample size...but I can't tell you the number of self employed business owners (like myself) or other friends who employ hundreds....altered or changed health insurance to a point where it caused more harm (expense wise) than good. Sure. Millions of people got coverage. That I applaud. On the same token...millions either cancelled their insurance and are taking the tax hit.....or the employees can't afford the coverage they are provided. Obama did many things right...even in my Republican opinion....but health care wasn't one. 

 

I'll use myself as an example. Plan through IU Health was costing me $402/month. Been to the Dr 2x in 21 years. I finally said screw it and cancelled. The tax hit is 80% less than nearly $5k I was shelling out for coverage. 

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