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2 hours ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

All PU fans are clowns, I play fantasy football with 6 graduates from PU and they wouldn't accept the fact that the rankings early in the season are primary based off of last years results and a wild guess at what each team could be this season.  Nova is a perfect example, they lost 4 of their top 6 players on the team from last year, won the freaking title and still came into this season ranked in the top 10..  I am sorry but getting blown out by a #18 team in your building is downright bad and embarrasing.  Nova should not have been ranked in the top 10 and for that matter in the top 20.  They lost too much power this offseason although one could make the argument for them to be in the 20s MAYBE. 

 

Now the argument as to why is Purdue ranked?  Yes Carson Edwards is a really good player and has votes for AP player of the year I get that(this is why they are ranked is due to Carson Edwards and Maybe Just Maybe Matt Harmes) but they lost 4 of their 5 starters and 70% of their scoring output from last season. 

 

Both Nova and PU were way over ranked.  Nova should have started out in the 20s and PU should of been given in the 40s somewhere on KenPom. 

Sorry, I scrolled over this....but it is one dang fine post.  Love the 'Nova "analogy".  The Cats lost 4 players...to the pros.  Does that mean they are gonna suck?  No.  Got a championship coach(x2).  'Nova was highly overrated based on last year.  I think CMP is a good coach....but they didn't win the title!!!!!!

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3 hours ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

All PU fans are clowns, I play fantasy football with 6 graduates from PU and they wouldn't accept the fact that the rankings early in the season are primary based off of last years results and a wild guess at what each team could be this season.  Nova is a perfect example, they lost 4 of their top 6 players on the team from last year, won the freaking title and still came into this season ranked in the top 10..  I am sorry but getting blown out by a #18 team in your building is downright bad and embarrasing.  Nova should not have been ranked in the top 10 and for that matter in the top 20.  They lost too much power this offseason although one could make the argument for them to be in the 20s MAYBE. 

 

Now the argument as to why is Purdue ranked?  Yes Carson Edwards is a really good player and has votes for AP player of the year I get that(this is why they are ranked is due to Carson Edwards and Maybe Just Maybe Matt Harmes) but they lost 4 of their 5 starters and 70% of their scoring output from last season. 

 

Both Nova and PU were way over ranked.  Nova should have started out in the 20s and PU should of been given in the 40s somewhere on KenPom. 

Why do you play in a league with 6 Purdue grads if they’re clowns? I realize Purdue lost quite a bit but not sure I’d agree about being in the 40’s. 

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1 hour ago, BGleas said:

I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt on the point that they didn’t ‘need’ another point guard, but the idea that Phinisee isn’t better than what they already had onboard is laughable. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that when it’s all said and done that Phinisee if the best guard between him, Eastern, Hunter, Thompson and Carsen Edwards. 

I agree Phinisee will be good and we could’ve used him. Carsen I think is hands down better and was really good as a freshman too. Eastern is going to be really good too. Thompson remains to be seen and same with Hunter. 

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2 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said:

I agree Phinisee will be good and we could’ve used him. Carsen I think is hands down better and was really good as a freshman too. Eastern is going to be really good too. Thompson remains to be seen and same with Hunter. 

If you look at assist and turnover metrics, Cline is a better PG than Eastern.  Purdue is enamored over Eastern's size, rebounding and driving ability, but that's not translated to much on the offensive scoring and distributing side of the ledger, save a pretty good game against Ball State.  I'd be willing to bet you right now that when the dust settles, he'll be nowhere near the all-around college player that Rob Phinisee is.  He'll be a defensive specialist with limited offensive skills.  If he worked on his shot over the summer, I've seen scant evidence of it.

...and Carson wasn't a worldbeater as a freshman.  Sure, he averaged 10 ppg, but barely crested 38% from the field.  It won't be real hard for Rob to match those levels if he continues to play like he has.  No one is denying that junior Carson is better than freshman Phinisee, but I don't see Rob having any real difficulty at least matching most of Carson's freshman stats this year.

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4 minutes ago, FKIM01 said:

If you look at assist and turnover metrics, Cline is a better PG than Eastern.  Purdue is enamored over Eastern's size, rebounding and driving ability, but that's not translated to much on the offensive scoring and distributing side of the ledger, save a pretty good game against Ball State.  I'd be willing to bet you right now that when the dust settles, he'll be nowhere near the all-around college player that Rob Phinisee is.  He'll be a defensive specialist with limited offensive skills.  If he worked on his shot over the summer, I've seen scant evidence of it.

...and Carson wasn't a worldbeater as a freshman.  Sure, he averaged 10 ppg, but barely crested 38% from the field.  It won't be real hard for Rob to match those levels if he continues to play like he has.  No one is denying that junior Carson is better than freshman Phinisee, but I don't see Rob having any real difficulty at least matching most of Carson's freshman stats this year.

Phin=Kyle Macy.......and the Boilers let Kyle walk away, they didn't need him.

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Don’t hate me but Purdue is a solid team. They don’t have nearly the margin for error they had last year due to the fact they don’t have the scoring they once did...but they play hard from tip to buzzer. They are scrappy and don’t mind muddying up the game. They have a player on any given night that can go for 30. Now he can also shoot them out of the game too but I believe they are a top 20-25 team. I just don’t think they have a high ceiling....but they also don’t have a low floor. They will hover from that 20-30 ranking most of the year I would say. Regardless it doesn’t matter where you start but where you finish. We have the opportunity if things go well to be a 10-12 team. In the end it won’t matter much...March will separate the wheat from the chaff.

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28 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Don’t hate me but Purdue is a solid team. They don’t have nearly the margin for error they had last year due to the fact they don’t have the scoring they once did...but they play hard from tip to buzzer. They are scrappy and don’t mind muddying up the game. They have a player on any given night that can go for 30. Now he can also shoot them out of the game too but I believe they are a top 20-25 team. I just don’t think they have a high ceiling....but they also don’t have a low floor. They will hover from that 20-30 ranking most of the year I would say. Regardless it doesn’t matter where you start but where you finish. We have the opportunity if things go well to be a 10-12 team. In the end it won’t matter much...March will separate the wheat from the chaff.

I would add to that....Painter does a great job with what he has to work with.

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1 hour ago, dgambill said:

Don’t hate me but Purdue is a solid team. They don’t have nearly the margin for error they had last year due to the fact they don’t have the scoring they once did...but they play hard from tip to buzzer. They are scrappy and don’t mind muddying up the game. They have a player on any given night that can go for 30. Now he can also shoot them out of the game too but I believe they are a top 20-25 team. I just don’t think they have a high ceiling....but they also don’t have a low floor. They will hover from that 20-30 ranking most of the year I would say. Regardless it doesn’t matter where you start but where you finish. We have the opportunity if things go well to be a 10-12 team. In the end it won’t matter much...March will separate the wheat from the chaff.

No hate, but seriously...they were playing Appalachian State.

If Cline and Carson aren't hitting, they'll get beat in a lot of games.  I see Michigan, Michigan State, IU, and Nebraska ahead of Purdue with maybe Wisconsin, Ohio State and even Minnesota ahead of them as well in the B1G.   Their point guard had one assist and two turnovers tonight, missed his only 3-point attempt and both of his free throw attempts.  Apparently, he's only good at layups and dunks but hey...he's better than Phinisee!

They'll be OK this year, but they've still got a lot to prove.  They haven't played anyone better than Ball State yet, so we'll see how they are when they get tested.  If I'm defending them, I'm focused on Cline and Carson and making the rest of the team beat me.  Don't worry if Carson gets his 20 as long as he takes at least 18 shots to get there.

If they're top 25 at the end of the season, I'll be surprised.

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3 minutes ago, FKIM01 said:

No hate, but seriously...they were playing Appalachian State.

If Cline and Carson aren't hitting, they'll get beat in a lot of games.  I see Michigan, Michigan State, IU, and Nebraska ahead of Purdue with maybe Wisconsin, Ohio State and even Minnesota ahead of them as well in the B1G.   Their point guard had on assist and two turnovers tonight, missed his only 3-point attempt and both of his free throw attempts.  Apparently, he's only good at layups and dunks but hey...he's better than Phinisee!

They'll be OK this year, but they've still got a lot to prove.  They haven't played anyone better than Ball State yet, so we'll see how they are when they get tested.  If I'm defending them, I'm focused on Cline and Carson and making the rest of the team beat me.  Don't worry if Carson gets his 20 as long as he takes at least 18 shots to get there.

If they're top 25 at the end of the season, I'll be surprised.

I am just saying they got a coach that can coach.  I doubt they are in the Top 25 at the end of the year.  But what does that matter?  

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8 minutes ago, rico said:

I would add to that....Painter does a great job with what he has to work with.

Painter has as many coach of the year honors as Izzo (3). Keady the most with 7. Clearly if you win at Purdue it is understood it’s with lesser talent most years. Painter will make them competitive for sure. They will have some upsets and make the tournament because he will have them ready to play hard each and every night. They are not as talented as last year but they will overachieve given their roster. Sadly when they are loaded with skilled seniors I don’t quite think he has the imagination and ability to take them to that next level. We shall see how the season goes. One thing for sure is if they had key injuries like us so far they wouldn’t be able to sustain it as well as we have. Interested in seeing them play a top 25 team.

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19 minutes ago, FKIM01 said:

No hate, but seriously...they were playing Appalachian State.

If Cline and Carson aren't hitting, they'll get beat in a lot of games.  I see Michigan, Michigan State, IU, and Nebraska ahead of Purdue with maybe Wisconsin, Ohio State and even Minnesota ahead of them as well in the B1G.   Their point guard had on assist and two turnovers tonight, missed his only 3-point attempt and both of his free throw attempts.  Apparently, he's only good at layups and dunks but hey...he's better than Phinisee!

They'll be OK this year, but they've still got a lot to prove.  They haven't played anyone better than Ball State yet, so we'll see how they are when they get tested.  If I'm defending them, I'm focused on Cline and Carson and making the rest of the team beat me.  Don't worry if Carson gets his 20 as long as he takes at least 18 shots to get there.

If they're top 25 at the end of the season, I'll be surprised.

Seeing how we contained Howard, I’m pretty confident we’ll be able to do the same to Edwards.  They’re not going to be a great three point shooting team, and they won’t be able to get anything inside with our talent and depth in the post.  I see us sweeping them this year.

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12 hours ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Why do you play in a league with 6 Purdue grads if they’re clowns? I realize Purdue lost quite a bit but not sure I’d agree about being in the 40’s. 

My previous employer was in Greencastle so I was getting close to enemy territory, and one of them PU grads continued on to IU to get his Masters so now he likes IU better lol And its like taking candy from a baby when it comes to winning this league, easy money

 

Maybe in the 40s would be stretching it for PU, but I would say somewhere between 28 and 33 is where they should be. 

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5 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said:

Seeing how we contained Howard, I’m pretty confident we’ll be able to do the same to Edwards.  They’re not going to be a great three point shooting team, and they won’t be able to get anything inside with our talent and depth in the post.  I see us sweeping them this year.

Howard is a good player but I think Carsen is definitely better. Howard isn’t nearly as good at getting to the rim as Carsen is. I don’t think we’ll be a great 3-point shooting team but I’ll guess we’ll be a good 3-point shooting team. Carsen and Cline are already proven volume shooters from distance but a lot will depend on the new guys. 

Re the post comment, I agree that we might not do as much damage but I expect Haarms will get his points. Big difference is he can step out and hit shots away from the basket which Haas didn’t do. 

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Now we have mom and Uncle Rico arguing about Nojel's effectiveness on the Purdue free forum...

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/2-very-bright-spots.158012/

Mom (who still thinks Nojel will make millions in the NBA) foolishly promotes Nojel's game in a loss and Uncle Rico argues back that he needs to learn to shoot and dribble...you can't make up stuff this good...

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3 hours ago, FKIM01 said:

Now we have mom and Uncle Rico arguing about Nojel's effectiveness on the Purdue free forum...

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/2-very-bright-spots.158012/

Mom (who still thinks Nojel will make millions in the NBA) foolishly promotes Nojel's game in a loss and Uncle Rico argues back that he needs to learn to shoot and dribble...you can't make up stuff this good...

She's developing quite the following. I can't imagine (if it's confirmed her) the staff allows this. Anyway....Eastern is as close to making millions in the NBA as I am. The delusion is strong in this one I guess.

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7 hours ago, FKIM01 said:

Now we have mom and Uncle Rico arguing about Nojel's effectiveness on the Purdue free forum...

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/2-very-bright-spots.158012/

Mom (who still thinks Nojel will make millions in the NBA) foolishly promotes Nojel's game in a loss and Uncle Rico argues back that he needs to learn to shoot and dribble...you can't make up stuff this good...

That ain't me.  Uncle Rico?  Hmmmmmmm.  

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24 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I don't see him lasting at PU and will probably transfer

I don't even understand the love he gets from Purdue fans, he has terrible efficiency numbers, he's just a guard who can't shoot. He also has a negative assist/turnover ratio, just an extremely ineffective player in the Big ten.

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