ephul Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Playing time, folks. The allure of being "the guy". It's a tough pitch to beat with some kids. Can't blame him for wanting it. But we're establishing a program with steadily progressing upper classmen. Archie made his pitch. Didn't lie to the kid. Neither did Wojo. His program lives and dies by a select few. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But that type of system is going to catch the attention of some high profile kids. Best of luck to the kid. We'll get by. Great kids hit the grad transfer portal every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUskim Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 What time is the announcement again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 You can’t measure recruiting ONLY on who you get in the end. At least not yet. Anyone who’s followed recruiting for a long time in college FB and BB knows this. The first step is getting the visits from top talent. But you don’t get many or any. Then you start making final fours and 3s and what not but missing most and grabbing a few. Then finally you start getting your fair share...as many as the other big name schools. Along the way you have to show you can develop the ones you are getting. Archie is trending well. He’ll get it done. I have complete faith in him to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Indykev said: Well then you have to look at Archie, and no one here wants to do that. It sure isnt the campus, tradition, or fan base. or wojo promised him the moon and Archie didn't. RMK never promised a recruit anything other than the opportunity...I’m not sure what wojo promised him but it was probably a bunch of BS...that’s not in CAM dna to do that...one thing about Garcia he should be commended for if he does chose Marquette is the fact that he said they have been recruiting him the longest and had built a relationship with him...least he has some loyalty to him...some players dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, IUskim said: What time is the announcement again? 4:30 eastern time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 For everyone talking about grad transfer....do you really think there will be a grad transfer that will want to come here and try to fight out minutes with Smith, Trayce, Race, Jerome, Damezi, and Brunk? I mean a border line 5* kid thought better of it why would a senior with one year left of play do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefftheref Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Indykev said: The guy on the plane just had gas. 💩 Sorry it stank! I tried to let it out a little at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachv Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: I wonder if he asked Luke Fischer for advice. who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, HoosierJax said: RMK never promised a recruit anything other than the opportunity...I’m not sure what wojo promised him but it was probably a bunch of BS...that’s not in CAM dna to do that...one thing about Garcia he should be commended for if he does chose Marquette is the fact that he said they have been recruiting him the longest and had built a relationship with him...least he has some loyalty to him...some players dont But that's what the great recruiters do. They say whatever they have to to close the sale. Do you think Keion would've chosen UK if he had been told he was likely coming off the bench and only getting 10 minutes or so a game? I'm sure his pops was promised a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, Indykev said: Well then you have to look at Archie, and no one here wants to do that. It sure isnt the campus, tradition, or fan base. or wojo promised him the moon and Archie didn't. Geography my friend..... Geography Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, dbmhoosier said: But that's what the great recruiters do. They say whatever they have to to close the sale. Do you think Keion would've chosen UK if he had been told he was likely coming off the bench and only getting 10 minutes or so a game? I'm sure his pops was promised a lot more. Coach K and Cal does not promise anything but an opportunity to compete for playing time. As for off the court promises woo knows but playing time and shots are not promised. To me the coaches who promises these things are just salesman and are desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, IU Scott said: Coach K and Cal does not promise anything but an opportunity to compete for playing time. As for off the court promises woo knows but playing time and shots are not promised. To me the coaches who promises these things are just salesman and are desperate. How do you know what Cal does or doesn't promise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUskim Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, dbmhoosier said: How do you know what Cal does or doesn't promise? I thought all he promised was to get them to the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, BADGERVOL said: You can’t measure recruiting ONLY on who you get in the end. At least not yet. Anyone who’s followed recruiting for a long time in college FB and BB knows this. The first step is getting the visits from top talent. But you don’t get many or any. Then you start making final fours and 3s and what not but missing most and grabbing a few. Then finally you start getting your fair share...as many as the other big name schools. Along the way you have to show you can develop the ones you are getting. Archie is trending well. He’ll get it done. I have complete faith in him to do so. IU basketball’s recruiting is absolutely measured by who they get in the end. Archie isn’t running the football program... IU basketball has always attracted elite recruits, no matter who was at the helm. Crean got a ton of elite recruits, and even Archie came in and landed two five stars in his first two recruiting classes. This isn’t some project where Archie has to build a no-name program from the ground up to get highly-ranked recruits. His recruiting has fallen off a bit since last year’s disaster, but he still managed to land a decent class for 2020. He’ll have to show he can win this year to start landing recruits like Brooks and Garcia again. Until then, there are no moral victories in recruiting for a program like IU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: But that's what the great recruiters do. They say whatever they have to to close the sale. Do you think Keion would've chosen UK if he had been told he was likely coming off the bench and only getting 10 minutes or so a game? I'm sure his pops was promised a lot more. Promised is one thing..fulfilling is another...most of those guys are also considered slim,cheaters,dirty...some of those players need to look Thur the BS..I bet KB wishes he wouldn’t have listened to whatever to close the deal...and I know it happens..but it won’t at Indiana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: How do you know what Cal does or doesn't promise? Just look at how there team plays and how most of those top players by into his system. The year Anthony Davis was on the team he was 5th in shot attempts so if he was promised to be the man he would have never bought in. Also I have heard plenty of interviews with former UK players and they said the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 If for nothing else, these threads are fun to see everyone all in one place. It’s like a HSN family reunion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEKA Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Start winning again and we win some of these recruiting battles. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUskim Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, madmax said: If for nothing else, these threads are fun to see everyone all in one place. It’s like a HSN family reunion. If only we had the good food spreads that usually come with a reunion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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13th&Jackson Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, madmax said: Jerome Hunter, Race Thompson and Jordan Geronimo would disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUskim Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, madmax said: You hate to laugh at something like this but it’s pretty creative and funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, madmax said: If for nothing else, these threads are fun to see everyone all in one place. It’s like a HSN family reunion. I've got all my brothers and sisters with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, madmax said: With Crean, it was the opposite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Just look at how there team plays and how most of those top players by into his system. The year Anthony Davis was on the team he was 5th in shot attempts so if he was promised to be the man he would have never bought in. Also I have heard plenty of interviews with former UK players and they said the same thing. It's probably not what Cal promises...it's the vision he sells..."I think you're the next Anthony Davis"..."your game is just like John Walls"...you can bet he's firing up recruits with stuff like that. Just about every coach with players in the league is going to play that game. Build the kid up to the point he thinks he's going to be a star at your school. Even without making promises, I'll bet Keion feels a little disillusioned right now. Vision can be quite different from reality and you can bet Cal is selling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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