Seeking6 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Darvish with another gem tonight. Guy has been really, really good since end of June. Almost starting to feel confident he takes the mound because (much like Q his past 8 starts) and now Yu.....these are exactly the guys Theo traded/signed for. Now if we just figure out some road bats, get healthy, and get a few others back. Might have a chance to turn this thing around in the next 45. We'll see. Happy for Schwarber too. I won't say much on Rizzo. That's what he's supposed to do. If we wanted Mark Grace we'd have Mark Grace. He needs to start hitting dongs on the regular again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 @Cubs fans...#Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 I give up. Cubs give up 6 in the 9th. Walk Granny to Harper. See you guys next week. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Holland has been a solid pickup haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: I give up. Cubs give up 6 in the 9th. Walk Granny to Harper. See you guys next week. Haha Settle down, you are still in 1st...I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlboiler23 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, rico said: Settle down, you are still in 1st...I think... Tied with STL for 1st yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Seeking6 said: I give up. Cubs give up 6 in the 9th. Walk Granny to Harper. See you guys next week. Haha Perhaps a "jump the shark" moment for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, slojoe said: Perhaps a "jump the shark" moment for this team. Not sure. We've won so much with this core it makes believe this team talent wise is really good...but results wise this year and last is just puzzling. Oh well. Pen with another disgusting performance. Joe is running out of options in that pen, patience with team......and I know a segment of our fans want him to leave and not be resigned. Maybe the success came so early in some of these guys careers they have no idea what the difference between good and great is....or how to sustain it. Funny part was Holland (who is a lefty specialist) looked to RF on Harper's shot like it had a chance of staying in. Sorry buddy...it's 549 EST AM and that ball still hasn't landed. Welcome Mr. Holland to the bullpen blowing leads and games on the daily club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Message to Cubs fans that are slamming the team. Harper did it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Message to Cubs fans that are slamming the team. Harper did it first. First walk off grand slam for Philly since 1983 (Ozzie Virgil). Every day seems like a new stat for this crew. I know teammates have to stick together but eventually it's going to blow up inside the clubhouse. At least 10 games this year have been just heartbreaking losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: First walk off grand slam for Philly since 1983 (Ozzie Virgil). Every day seems like a new stat for this crew. I know teammates have to stick together but eventually it's going to blow up inside the clubhouse. At least 10 games this year have been just heartbreaking losses. The core of the team is Rizzo, Baez, Bryant, and Contreres). Do you risk moving one of them in the off-season to shake things up? Honestly, I have a hard time seeing any of those guys playing somewhere else. It seems like your secondary players (Heyward, Schwarber, Almora, Happ, Bote,) are all solid major leaguers. Would you really get better swapping those guys out for different players? You might actually get worse. Your rotation is better than most teams. So, other than bullpen help, what realistically do you do if you are the front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, slojoe said: Perhaps a "jump the shark" moment for this team. Loved me some "Happy Days". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, 5fouls said: The core of the team is Rizzo, Baez, Bryant, and Contreres). Do you risk moving one of them in the off-season to shake things up? Honestly, I have a hard time seeing any of those guys playing somewhere else. It seems like your secondary players (Heyward, Schwarber, Almora, Happ, Bote,) are all solid major leaguers. Would you really get better swapping those guys out for different players? You might actually get worse. Your rotation is better than most teams. So, other than bullpen help, what realistically do you do if you are the front office. I'm a broken record. I honestly don't have a clue. Every scenario you say is exactly right but at same time something is off. The only thing I see is Cubs will have to bundle some of the secondary players to hit on another core type player. 7 games over .500 in Mid August isn't a team that says everything is just fine....but again I don't know the answer. I'm sure Theo/Jed don't either right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, 5fouls said: The core of the team is Rizzo, Baez, Bryant, and Contreres). Do you risk moving one of them in the off-season to shake things up? Honestly, I have a hard time seeing any of those guys playing somewhere else. It seems like your secondary players (Heyward, Schwarber, Almora, Happ, Bote,) are all solid major leaguers. Would you really get better swapping those guys out for different players? You might actually get worse. Your rotation is better than most teams. So, other than bullpen help, what realistically do you do if you are the front office. Out of the players you mention, the Cubs should look to move Almora, Bote, and as bad as I hate to say it, Schwarber. Heyward is basically untradeable with that contract (signed through 2023). I think the Cubs' brass have basically given up on Almora. Schwarber, as much as I love him, is an AL guy. And Bote just has not contributed. Get some bullpen help and an outfielder. I'm torn on Castellanos. Another guy who is a FA and may be better suited to the AL. Hamels is a FA. Let him walk and pursue Garritt Cole or Zach Wheeler. The rest of the staff is ok. I just don't think the Cubs are going to all of a sudden turn it around this year. I'll be ecstatic if they do, but I just don't see it. And I think there will be a change at the helm for next year. Rizzo, Bryant, Baez, Contreras, and Happ and the remainder of the starting pitching isn't exactly a barren place to start from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Out of the players you mention, the Cubs should look to move Almora, Bote, and as bad as I hate to say it, Schwarber. Heyward is basically untradeable with that contract (signed through 2023). I think the Cubs' brass have basically given up on Almora. Schwarber, as much as I love him, is an AL guy. And Bote just has not contributed. Get some bullpen help and an outfielder. I'm torn on Castellanos. Another guy who is a FA and may be better suited to the AL. Hamels is a FA. Let him walk and pursue Garritt Cole or Zach Wheeler. The rest of the staff is ok. I just don't think the Cubs are going to all of a sudden turn it around this year. I'll be ecstatic if they do, but I just don't see it. And I think there will be a change at the helm for next year. Rizzo, Bryant, Baez, Contreras, and Happ and the remainder of the starting pitching isn't exactly a barren place to start from. I just don't see much opportunity to land players that are better than what you have. Say Schwarber is one that goes. Could you find a better defensive outfielder? Sure. Will that person hit 35-40 home runs? Highly unlikely. And, while the batting average isn't particularly good, his OBP is MLB average, and has been above average in prior years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I just don't see much opportunity to land players that are better than what you have. Say Schwarber is one that goes. Could you find a better defensive outfielder? Sure. Will that person hit 35-40 home runs? Highly unlikely. And, while the batting average isn't particularly good, his OBP is MLB average, and has been above average in prior years. I'd rather have someone who is a better defender and a higher OBP. The Cubs have enough power hitters. They don't have any table setters. If Nico Hoerner can make the jump to the majors next year, he can be that guy. Between him and Happ, that would cover an OF position and 2nd base. I don't think a wholesale overhaul is called for, but tweaking and a change in leadership might just be the answer... It is in my mind, anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Seeking6 said: Darvish with another gem tonight. Guy has been really, really good since end of June. Almost starting to feel confident he takes the mound because (much like Q his past 8 starts) and now Yu.....these are exactly the guys Theo traded/signed for. Now if we just figure out some road bats, get healthy, and get a few others back. Might have a chance to turn this thing around in the next 45. We'll see. Happy for Schwarber too. I won't say much on Rizzo. That's what he's supposed to do. If we wanted Mark Grace we'd have Mark Grace. He needs to start hitting dongs on the regular again. Did not see the game but was Darvish's pitch count high because I just was wondering why they took him out. Like the Reds last night Gray had a 1 hit shutout through 5 but had 94 pitches so Bell took him out after 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Did not see the game but was Darvish's pitch count high because I just was wondering why they took him out. Like the Reds last night Gray had a 1 hit shutout through 5 but had 94 pitches so Bell took him out after 5. Yu's pitch count was 92...Joe said he was out of gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Just now, rico said: Yu's pitch count was 92...Joe said he was out of gas. WOW, out of gas after 92 pitches, just shows you that they these guys are not trained to go deep into games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: WOW, out of gas after 92 pitches, just shows you that they these guys are not trained to go deep into games. Yu went 7...and TBH I thought he was going to get a CG shut-out. 5-0 lead going into the bottom of the 8th and the pen blows it, but Bote's error had a lot to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, rico said: Yu went 7...and TBH I thought he was going to get a CG shut-out. 5-0 lead going into the bottom of the 8th and the pen blows it, but Bote's error had a lot to do with it. I would keep the pitcher out there that you know has great stuff that night over bringing in a guy who you have no clue what they have. I just don't buy that these guys arms are not meant to pitch a lot of pitches because on how hard they throw. Guys in the 80's threw hard and was still able to pitch deep into games and they never worried about pitch counts. I am starting to think the more we baby pitchers the more it really hurts them because it seems to me there are a lot more arm problems today than there were in the past. When did they start showing pitch counts on TV because I never remember when I was young ever hearing how many pitches a pitcher had thrown in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: I would keep the pitcher out there that you know has great stuff that night over bringing in a guy who you have no clue what they have. I just don't buy that these guys arms are not meant to pitch a lot of pitches because on how hard they throw. Guys in the 80's threw hard and was still able to pitch deep into games and they never worried about pitch counts. I am starting to think the more we baby pitchers the more it really hurts them because it seems to me there are a lot more arm problems today than there were in the past. When did they start showing pitch counts on TV because I never remember when I was young ever hearing how many pitches a pitcher had thrown in a game. Don't see why you would keep a pitcher in who was out of gas just for the arbitrary reason that you're not sure your bullpen can handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I would keep the pitcher out there that you know has great stuff that night over bringing in a guy who you have no clue what they have. I just don't buy that these guys arms are not meant to pitch a lot of pitches because on how hard they throw. Guys in the 80's threw hard and was still able to pitch deep into games and they never worried about pitch counts. I am starting to think the more we baby pitchers the more it really hurts them because it seems to me there are a lot more arm problems today than there were in the past. When did they start showing pitch counts on TV because I never remember when I was young ever hearing how many pitches a pitcher had thrown in a game. Geez Scott, you make Billy Martin look like Sparky Anderson. 92 pitches for a guy who has a history of arm issues is a high count. Could he have gone out for one more? Maybe, but I sincerely hope, and believe, that Maddon talked to Caratini and Darvish before making his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 To me with baseball trying to limit pitch counts on starters is having a bad effect on the bullpen arms. Was reading on the Reds board the other day and people were talking about how you should only sing a reliever for 2 or 3 years. Their theory is that those bullpen guys are totally spent after 2 or 3 years and are not effective after those few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Geez Scott, you make Billy Martin look like Sparky Anderson. 92 pitches for a guy who has a history of arm issues is a high count. Could he have gone out for one more? Maybe, but I sincerely hope, and believe, that Maddon talked to Caratini and Darvish before making his decision. I guess that where we differ because I don't think 92 pitches is a high count for anyone who is a starter. I feel the problem with pitchers today is that they want to strikeout every batter and that makes your pitch count higher earlier in the game. Last night Gray through 5 innings had struck 10, walked 4 and hit a batter. At one stretch of 10 batters no one on the Cardinals put a ball in play because it was either a walk, Strikeout, and a hit batsman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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